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junior chįmp
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« on: March 04, 2019, 12:04:50 AM »

All political debates are useless and nobody wins/loses from a debate
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junior chįmp
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 12:18:27 AM »

All political debates are useless and nobody wins/loses from a debate

JFK wouldnt have won without the debate as the fundamentals that year clearly favored Nixon

It made no difference.

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Presidential Debates Rarely Have Much Effect on Election Outcomes

From Al Gore’s loud sighing to Jimmy Carter saying he consulted his 12-year-old daughter on nuclear proliferation, presidential debates are full of memorable moments. But despite the fanfare that surrounds each election cycle’s televised events, historical data shows the debates are rarely game changers.

“There are a handful of cases in which a debate had a notable effect on the polls,” political scientist John Sides says. “But most debates don’t produce that kind of shift.”

A 2008 Gallup study found that between 1960 and 2004, there were only two years where debates made a difference in actual votes. Instead, the most common outcome of the presidential debates is a slight popularity bump. But that bump doesn’t necessarily translate into votes.

“They sometimes have a short-term effect, a bounce in response to the debates, but at the end of the day there often is not much of an effect,” says Robert Erikson, author of The Timeline of Presidential Elections.

Data from the Gallup study also saw no direct correlation between the winner of each debate and the winner of the presidency. The 2004 Kerry vs. Bush debate was cited as an example. Kerry was considered the victor of all three showdowns, but still lost the election.

There are numerous factors responsible for the disparity between who “wins” the debates and who wins the election. Political scientists say one of the biggest reasons is that those who are watching the debates already have their minds made up.

“By [debate] time voters have pretty much picked their candidates,” says Erikson. “Some are undecided, but they are probably not paying attention…People who are political and have a party affiliation are hard to dislodge by the debates. And those rooting for their favorite candidate, even if he is doing poorly, aren’t necessarily going to change their mind.”

Even if a large number of open-minded, undecided voters watch the debates, history shows that the events are typically lackluster and therefore unlikely to influence a person’s interpretation of a candidate.

“Usually the candidates fight to a draw. They are well prepared and the format of the debates gives them equal time,” Sides says. “So it’s hard in that context to have a stunning victory or a terrible defeat.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/presidential-debates-rarely-have-much-effect-on-election-outcomes



Voters just dont care about this kind of stuff.
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junior chįmp
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 09:53:27 PM »

They didn't have detailed state-by-state polling back then, but I wonder how much Reagan outperformed polling by, with respect to his electoral college votes. He won 10 states by margins of less than 3%, including 7 Southern states.

Reagan was already closing the gap going into Jan 1980 from 1979 and even leading Kennedy in hypotheticals





It makes for a far interesting narrative to write that 1980 was coming down to the wire until Reagan knocked it out of the debate that apparently every voter who voted in 1980 watched and they all came to the same conclusion simultaneously.

Carter was never gonna win. The new deal coalition was in the toilet and the economy sucked
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