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« on: March 11, 2019, 01:48:38 AM »
« edited: March 11, 2019, 01:53:59 AM by Chairman YE »

Look, I am not saying we should resort to such methods now, but we should consider how to mitigate and prevent strategic registration and instead work to promote regional cultures, and strength at the regional level. Strategic registration pulls the competition, pulls the active people out and pulls the dissident voices out. So you are left with a bunch of zombies and a few remaining officeholders.

That is what the Pacific was like after Labor pulled their people out to steal the Mideast and TPP pulled their people out to try and shore up Hagrid (and it didn't work anyway). Two people who hated each other (Simfan and Turk) and a bunch of zombies.

You can even go much more recent to show why strategic registration has unintended consequences lol.

Sestak becomes convinced last fall that Fremont is vulnerable (after I became disorganized with GOTV and ignored the fact 5 people voted federally for WB and didn't vote regionally in addition to not contacting swing voters who went for me in my previous 2 races and only won by 1) and moves voters there from Lincoln. As such, 4 of the 5 most influential people in the left following your defeat were from Fremont (myself, Sestak, Jimmy, and MB) and none from Lincoln. This gave a controversial candidate the votes to get elected to the senate (which tbf I did vote for) that ended up losing in a primary a cycle later to a more competent opponent, so it was basically worth nothing. Due to this lack of presence in Lincoln, you ended up with a 3-0 rookie labor legislature (with no experienced legislatures stemming back to the mass resignations last July that resulted in a number of openings) that did nothing and had no real guidance and needed to be recalled (kudos to transit and Peanut for saving the situation), thus striving the region of a proper bench, forcing tack to move there from the South and be the Labor senate candidate.

That doesn't necessarily mean it is totally unnecessary either. The moves of Siren and Truman to revive Fremont proved to be helpful, although one could argue those were only necessary due to inactivity of the Pacific/Fremont for reasons you outlined.

The thing with strategic registration in general is people don't consider the long term consequences of it. It may give you a senate win here or there for a particular party but in the long term it screws up the balance of the game. In a balanced game, there is a consistent office holder to voter ratio that puts political parties in the best position to maximize turnout, recruitment, active legislatures and overall stability. Thus, a naturally strong regional culture can develop, where officeholders can move up the ladder from regional representative to Speaker/House to Senator/Governor/FM to President.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2019, 05:05:30 PM »

We are literally back to square 1. This is the same text to what failed in the House.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=312803.msg6653945#msg6653945

What makes the outcome different this time?
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2019, 07:26:24 PM »

We are literally back to square 1. This is the same text to what failed in the House.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=312803.msg6653945#msg6653945

What makes the outcome different this time?

It only failed in the House last time because of Windjammer's fear-mongering going unanswered. Plus, it's a new congress, and this amendment has far more support and interest than last time.

Why are we tuning out windjammer considering his history of doing (purely from an elections standpoint) shrewd political moves? Because muh Labor and Labor is bad?
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2019, 07:36:54 PM »

We are literally back to square 1. This is the same text to what failed in the House.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=312803.msg6653945#msg6653945

What makes the outcome different this time?

It only failed in the House last time because of Windjammer's fear-mongering going unanswered. Plus, it's a new congress, and this amendment has far more support and interest than last time.

Why are we tuning out windjammer considering his history of doing (purely from an elections standpoint) shrewd political moves? Because muh Labor and Labor is bad?

Regions already probably have the power to recall their senators, though it would need an SC decision to make it clear. This is just codifying it so we don't eventually have a long dragged out SC case over whether or not regions have the power to recall senators under the constitution as currently worded.

No they do not.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2019, 07:48:46 PM »

We are literally back to square 1. This is the same text to what failed in the House.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=312803.msg6653945#msg6653945

What makes the outcome different this time?

It only failed in the House last time because of Windjammer's fear-mongering going unanswered. Plus, it's a new congress, and this amendment has far more support and interest than last time.

Why are we tuning out windjammer considering his history of doing (purely from an elections standpoint) shrewd political moves? Because muh Labor and Labor is bad?

Regions already probably have the power to recall their senators, though it would need an SC decision to make it clear. This is just codifying it so we don't eventually have a long dragged out SC case over whether or not regions have the power to recall senators under the constitution as currently worded.

No they do not.

I said probably. It is a disputed point of law, and quite frankly it's a shame Lech's recall didn't go to the SC so it could be sorted. The constitution isn't clear whether or not the regions can recall senators, and different people have different opinions on whether or not it is currently constitutional.
At current it is up to the Supreme Court to at some point decide once and for all whether senatorial recalls are constitutional under the current wording.

I haven't seen any reason why they would be.
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