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« on: March 11, 2019, 03:17:28 pm »

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- Bouteflika, "president" since 1999, will not run for reelection
- Ouyahia out as PM, technocrats in
- Elections to be scheduled by constitutional council
- Reform looking likely
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2019, 03:28:32 pm »

It's even more interesting given the original Arab Spring wave largely omitted Algeria. I believe we've have major protests in Sudan occurring as well.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2019, 03:37:09 pm »

There were major protests in Algeria during the Arab Spring so I think it isn't fair to say that the Arab Spring waved omitted Algeria (unlike some other places where it really did pass as a ripple like the Gulf states other than Bahrain, or Jordan or Morocco), but Bouteflika held on.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2019, 04:36:24 pm »

There were major protests in Algeria during the Arab Spring so I think it isn't fair to say that the Arab Spring waved omitted Algeria (unlike some other places where it really did pass as a ripple like the Gulf states other than Bahrain, or Jordan or Morocco), but Bouteflika held on.

I think he held on mainly due to the fact that just 10-15 years earlier Algeria was in the middle of a civil war, and people didn't want to take the risk of that happening again.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2019, 06:44:22 pm »

It's even more interesting given the original Arab Spring wave largely omitted Algeria. I believe we've have major protests in Sudan occurring as well.

Arab Spring 2.0

We can only hope Algeria and Sudan fare better than their neighbors.  Tunisia is the only country that actually made it out of the original Arab Spring as a functioning democracy.  Everybody else....
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2019, 12:13:23 pm »

Ruling FLN and Army sides with the protestors
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Lieutenant General Ahmed Gaed Salah said that a month of demonstrations had been “marked by the deeds of noble aims and pure intentions, through which the Algerian people has clearly expressed its values ​​and principles of sincere and dedicated work to Allah and the motherland”.

The comments, made on Tuesday during a tour of a military district and carried by Algerian media on Wednesday, were the clearest signal yet that the army was distancing itself from the ailing Bouteflika, in power for 20 years.

The ruling National Liberation Front party, known by its French acronym FLN, also sided with the protesters after a meeting of its top officials.

“FLN fully supports the popular protest movement,” the APS state news agency quoted FLN leader Moad Bouchared as saying.

The party also called for negotiations to ensure stability in Algeria, a major oil and gas producer.
The news is surprising ,to say the least. I would have expected Bouteflika to have more control over his Army and Party to circumvent any challenge at the worst of times. Seems like the Army understands that ending up like Syria is not a good option. The question now is will Algeria transition into a democracy like Tunisia, or will the Army put their guy on top like Zimbabwe.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2019, 07:16:22 pm »

It's even more interesting given the original Arab Spring wave largely omitted Algeria. I believe we've have major protests in Sudan occurring as well.

Arab Spring 2.0

We can only hope Algeria and Sudan fare better than their neighbors.  Tunisia is the only country that actually made it out of the original Arab Spring as a functioning democracy.  Everybody else....

Yeah Tunisia was the only country whose regime changed for the better as a result of the Arab Spring.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2019, 03:41:05 am »

Ruling FLN and Army sides with the protestors
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Lieutenant General Ahmed Gaed Salah said that a month of demonstrations had been “marked by the deeds of noble aims and pure intentions, through which the Algerian people has clearly expressed its values ​​and principles of sincere and dedicated work to Allah and the motherland”.

The comments, made on Tuesday during a tour of a military district and carried by Algerian media on Wednesday, were the clearest signal yet that the army was distancing itself from the ailing Bouteflika, in power for 20 years.

The ruling National Liberation Front party, known by its French acronym FLN, also sided with the protesters after a meeting of its top officials.

“FLN fully supports the popular protest movement,” the APS state news agency quoted FLN leader Moad Bouchared as saying.

The party also called for negotiations to ensure stability in Algeria, a major oil and gas producer.
The news is surprising ,to say the least. I would have expected Bouteflika to have more control over his Army and Party to circumvent any challenge at the worst of times. Seems like the Army understands that ending up like Syria is not a good option. The question now is will Algeria transition into a democracy like Tunisia, or will the Army put their guy on top like Zimbabwe.

The Army has already got their guy on top. The fact that he is not quite "there'' should be telling though. Bouteflika is litterally there to ensure the factions in the Army don't squabble.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2019, 05:13:23 am »

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Lieutenant General Ahmed Gaed Salah said that a month of demonstrations had been “marked by the deeds of noble aims and pure intentions, through which the Algerian people has clearly expressed its values ​​and principles of sincere and dedicated work to Allah and the motherland”.

The comments, made on Tuesday during a tour of a military district and carried by Algerian media on Wednesday, were the clearest signal yet that the army was distancing itself from the ailing Bouteflika, in power for 20 years.

The ruling National Liberation Front party, known by its French acronym FLN, also sided with the protesters after a meeting of its top officials.

“FLN fully supports the popular protest movement,” the APS state news agency quoted FLN leader Moad Bouchared as saying.

The party also called for negotiations to ensure stability in Algeria, a major oil and gas producer.
The news is surprising ,to say the least. I would have expected Bouteflika to have more control over his Army and Party to circumvent any challenge at the worst of times. Seems like the Army understands that ending up like Syria is not a good option. The question now is will Algeria transition into a democracy like Tunisia, or will the Army put their guy on top like Zimbabwe.

The Army has already got their guy on top. The fact that he is not quite "there'' should be telling though. Bouteflika is litterally there to ensure the factions in the Army don't squabble.

Exactly. Algeria is comparable to Egypt in the sense that the Army rules the country, and not the government that controls the Army. My understanding is even with Bouteflika deciding not to run again, it's because the army asked him not to in order to avoid civil unrest, and I think delaying the elections is a means to buy time for the different factions of the army to find a candidate they can all agree on and accept to replace Bouteflika.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2019, 08:51:46 am »

I would have expected Bouteflika to have more control over his Army and Party to circumvent any challenge at the worst of times.

Bouteflika seems to barely have any control over his own head and body himself, the former tough guy in the army that was supposed to control everything, 'Toufik', seems to have left in 2015, who knows who controls what since then.

I only followed it from very far away, but seems that what's noticeable is that it looks like quite different demonstrations than what Algeria usually shows since the end of Civil War, which mostly oftentimes were very violent short enough rioting that were often sorted out by giving a bit of oil money, just like those that happened in the same time that Tunisia had started its first demonstrations that later led to Révolution, or big social movements more or less of the French kind, some big ones also took place during 'Arab Spring', but the attempt at jumping into Arab Spring itself been very short and very quickly kept under control with big police forces, the fear of Civil War was still there apparently, this fear might be a bit less now...

All of this would have helped this movement to have gained some stuffs already, and hopefully to gain still more...
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2019, 12:32:15 pm »

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U might sort out something with google for translation

Army is abandoning Bouteflika apparently, it would now belong to Constitional Council to open the procedure stating that Bouteflika is unable to be Président, apparently the president of this Council is a Boutef' friend though

The best possible result out of this procedure would be new elections without Bouteflika in less than 6 months

Hopefully they get something better than the Egyptian scenario, which is what it looks like with this
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2019, 04:53:55 am »

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Main political party allied to Boutef', RND, is officially asking him to resign, the military and the current dominating political parties would be trying to organize buisness as usual with putting someone else in the wheelchair

What's fine to see though so far is that through all echoes i have Algerians don't seem to be naive about the military at all, unlike the way it could have been with Egyptians at some point
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2019, 06:36:59 pm »

Hundreds of thousands march against Bouteflika in largest protests to date since the protest started six weeks ago.

Hoping the Algerian people wise up and keep the momentum going unlike in Zimbabwe.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2019, 11:30:56 am »

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Official: Bouteflika will resign before 28th of April, but...

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...'he' will do all to ensure the continuity of institutions ^^
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2019, 12:57:35 pm »

Hundreds of thousands march against Bouteflika in largest protests to date since the protest started six weeks ago.

Hoping the Algerian people wise up and keep the momentum going unlike in Zimbabwe.

And hopefully the Western world joins them in keeping that momentum going.
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2019, 12:58:52 pm »

Hundreds of thousands march against Bouteflika in largest protests to date since the protest started six weeks ago.

Hoping the Algerian people wise up and keep the momentum going unlike in Zimbabwe.

And hopefully the Western world joins them in keeping that momentum going.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2019, 01:08:47 pm »

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/live/message/5ca/39e/6b5/ff4/e9a/0a3/445/f4b.html

Military asking Bouteflika to resign right now

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/live/message/5ca/3a0/358/256/bf3/e84/c75/cf3.html

They're trying to bag protests apparently, especially the big chief of staff Ahmed Gaïd Salah personally, but since that latter one seems to look just like Bouteflika with other clothes in the eyes of most protesters, by trying to save the system through his own personality he might just end up doing the exact opposite to that brilliant system ^^
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2019, 02:03:43 pm »

When Ahmed wants something...

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/live/message/5ca/3b0/218/256/bf3/e84/c75/d06.html

Bouteflika officially resigned, now that will become interesting...
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2019, 04:09:01 pm »

Amusing to see State TV displaying all the way people celebrating in the streets, would be interesting to see what they display next Friday ^^

That clearly shows as a 1st victory of the 1st battle for people anyways, so may they enjoy and may it helps them to get further Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2019, 01:10:23 pm »

Thousands of Algerian protestors march on the streets against interim leadership
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...“Appointing Bensalah will fuel anger and it could radicalize the protesters,” said taxi driver Hassen Rahmine as crowds gathered in central Algiers.

At one point, police briefly turned water cannon to disperse protesters.

Mass protests have led to the disintegration of what has been described as the ruling elite’s “fortress” - veterans of the war of independence against France, ruling party figures, businessmen, the army and labor unions.

But Algerians have been pushing for more radical change since Bouteflika’s allies abandoned him in the weeks leading up to his resignation last week.

They are unwilling to compromise in their demand for a new generation of leaders in the North African country, which has failed to create jobs and improve living standards despite vast oil and natural gas resources...
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2019, 04:46:50 pm »

Algeria's army chief says elections are best way out of crisis

Hopefully the Algerian people reject this ploy to maintain the Army’s power. Seems like the world has learned after Egypt that elections won’t do anything if those on the top are still there.
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