Islamophobic shooting in Christchurch, NZ

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Given the Tree of Life shooter's Gab account and this scumbag's activities on 4chan/8chan, it really feels like law enforcement needs to pay more attention to the so-called "Dark web" to find these scumbags before they pull of an attack.

What a nightmare. Horrible.

They will just find another platform or do it by themselves, the issue has to be dealt with on a bigger level.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Given the Tree of Life shooter's Gab account and this scumbag's activities on 4chan/8chan, it really feels like law enforcement needs to pay more attention to the so-called "Dark web" to find these scumbags before they pull of an attack.

What a nightmare. Horrible.

4chan/8chan aren't even the dark web. They're easily accessible from search engines and most socially awkward men of a certain Millennial sub-generation (myself included) have distinct memories of using them extensively as teenagers (relatively well-adjusted people having, of course, outgrown them years and years ago). That's part of the problem.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I feel kind of proud I've never been to 4chan and haven't really heard of 8chan until now. 

[Hammy]

I feel kind of proud I've never been to 4chan and haven't really heard of 8chan until now. 

I was on 4chan way back in like 07-08 when it was mostly cat and anime memes, this is the first I've heard of 8chan at all.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I just read that in the second attack location, the caretaker of the center, actually successfully took the guy to the mat and threw his gun out, causing him to run. He saved many lives in doing so. This is a hero of the tallest order.

[Lu Xun]

We had a cop and sheriff at our mosque today, Idk why as the imam didn't call them. But it was not a pleasant service today, we were all upset and made prayers and dua for the families and the victims

Hey man since this forum won't let me message you yet, I just wanted to offer my condolences.  On a previous account of mine I trolled you with all sorts of racist bullsh**t.  I now realize that not only is it, well, wrong to harass people with racist bullsh**t, posting that sort of stuff also absolutely  contributed to the culture of bigotry that has enabled attacks like this against your people.  I want you to know that there are millions of people, both here and around the world, who stand in solidarity with our Muslim brothers and will do everything to combat Islamophobia in our communities.  Much love

[Tender Branson]

I was wrong to assume an event like this was more likely in the US (with lax gun laws) or Europe (which has seen a lot of extremist Muslim terror attacks).

Turns out that NZ‘s gun laws are not as strict as I would have imagined and they are reformed now ... (which is good).

I thought NZ would be more like the UK in terms of gun laws, but they are more like the US.

[Sestak]

I feel kind of proud I've never been to 4chan and haven't really heard of 8chan until now. 

I was on 4chan way back in like 07-08 when it was mostly cat and anime memes, this is the first I've heard of 8chan at all.

8chan is for the people who were literally so awful they got banned from 4chan. Which is basically impossible in the first place.

[Meclazine for Israel]

I thought NZ would be more like the UK in terms of gun laws, but they are more like the US.

Once this guy got his gun license in Dec 2017, he could pretty much purchase whatever he liked except semi-automatic weapons. He did not possess the right class for an AR-15 weapon.

Short version:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/new-zealand-gun-control-laws/10907550

Long version with real life context:

Guns are more accepted in NZ for hunting, which on the south Island of New Zealand, includes bore, goat and deer.

Very popular with young guys over there.

Pig hunting in NZ is something where they let out three or four dogs wearing puncture proof GPS located vests, and they hunt the boars. The dogs have a particular role in the group with the lead dog wearing more protection.

The humans then use a GPS tracker on the dogs to then focus in on the wild boar once they stop, meaning the dogs have trapped the pig.

Then the hunter arrives, pulls out the AR-15 or the knife and sticks the swine in the gizzard. Gruesome.

(Warning: the following video shows young men in NZ running around with guns killing pigs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCw0NrnEPhg

13:22 Putting on a GPS belt.

17:35 shows a guy shooting a pig whilst another pig is letting out it's last squeals of life as it is attacked by a pack of hunting dogs.

I cannot stand the sight of blood, but I guess if you live in south island of NZ, this is what you do with your brothers.

National pastime.

[GoTfan]

I feel kind of proud I've never been to 4chan and haven't really heard of 8chan until now. 

I was on 4chan way back in like 07-08 when it was mostly cat and anime memes, this is the first I've heard of 8chan at all.

8chan is for the people who were literally so awful they got banned from 4chan. Which is basically impossible in the first place.

This is pretty much. Apparently 4chan was 'censoring' them in some way.

Brief history lesson: 8chan started formally around 2013, but gained prominence a year later among Gamergaters when somehow they managed to annoy 4chan enough to get booted off, likely because of the truly stupid amounts of doxxing they indulged in.

8chan states that only strictly illegal content is banned, so it has very loose laws, to put things charitably. You all know what that means, hence the fact why we've heard so much about the internet's problem with child pornography over the years.

The most infamous of its subs is /baphomet/, which is used to generally coordinate harassment attempts such as SWATting, and releasing personal information about targets.

[they don't love you like i love you]

If this guy bought a gun in New Zealand legally then NZ's gun laws are even laxer than the US's in this case since it's almost impossible for a foreign national to legally buy a gun in the US. Green card holders/permanent residents can but it doesn't sound like this guy had the New Zealand equivalent, he was just an Australian visiting NZ.

[Omega21]

If this guy bought a gun in New Zealand legally then NZ's gun laws are even laxer than the US's in this case since it's almost impossible for a foreign national to legally buy a gun in the US. Green card holders/permanent residents can but it doesn't sound like this guy had the New Zealand equivalent, he was just an Australian visiting NZ.

"If you are a citizen or permanent resident of Australia you don't need to apply for a visa to live and work in New Zealand. You can be granted a visa on arrival at the border."

https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/why-choose-nz/compare-new-zealand/australia

The same thing goes for EU citizens living in another EU country, i.e. you are to be treated equally as a citizen, which also applies for gun licenses.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I just read that in the second attack location, the caretaker of the center, actually successfully took the guy to the mat and threw his gun out, causing him to run. He saved many lives in doing so. This is a hero of the tallest order.

Update on this guy, his name is Abdul Aziz. He is originally from Kabul Afghanistan, and thank God he survived the attack.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-zealand-shooting-man-abdul-aziz-who-chased-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-hailed-as-a-hero/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a

Not surprising that this hero is Pashtun, those are some of the most brave and resourceful fighters that the world has known.

[Sestak]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

[PSOL]

Reddit is trying to sweep the racists under the rug by pretending to do action, they banned r/WatchPeopleDie when the mods there swore to not post the video, but leaves the cesspool supporting it all the way. I’m referring to the bot infested r/The_Donald.

Things have gotten so bad that on r/Socialism and r/AgainstHateSubreddits there is a campaign to ban that cesspool.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Media reports coming in that the gun shooting range where the gunman practiced had a culture of extremism.

Whatever that means.

But of interest, an individual was so concerned with the behaviour of the men at the gun club that he reported them to Police.

And it appears the Police dismissed them as "crazies".

You cannot blame this on a gun club.
You cannot blame this on Chelsea Clinton.
You cannot blame this on Australasian gun laws.

It's more complex.

[fhtagn]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

Basically doing exactly what the terrorist wanted.
Not exactly sending a very strong response.

[afleitch]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

Basically doing exactly what the terrorist wanted.
Not exactly sending a very strong response.

I think the terrorist probably wanted more guns tbh.

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

Basically doing exactly what the terrorist wanted.
Not exactly sending a very strong response.

The terrorism wanted us to kill ourselves over memes and stereotypes. The worldwide rejection of this notion is the only way to snub him.

[fhtagn]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

Basically doing exactly what the terrorist wanted.
Not exactly sending a very strong response.

I think the terrorist probably wanted more guns tbh.

He very specifically stated he chose guns because he wanted to create conflict over gun control.

[Blair]

Well who cares what the c**nt wanted just do what every other sane country does after a massacre... it worked with the U.K. and Australia.

[fhtagn]

Well who cares what the c**nt wanted just do what every other sane country does after a massacre... it worked with the U.K. and Australia.

Giving into the desires of terrorists is weak.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106654601049239552?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106657393952415750?s=21

Basically doing exactly what the terrorist wanted.
Not exactly sending a very strong response.

I think the terrorist probably wanted more guns tbh.

He very specifically stated he chose guns because he wanted to create conflict over gun control.

His manifesto says at length that he wants a full-scale race war over gun control in the United States (which I think you and I can probably agree is a bizarre and fanciful notion; a race war in the United States wouldn't be over gun control and a civil war in the United States over gun control 1. isn't going to happen and 2. wouldn't be particularly racialized). Political consensus-building on gun control in New Zealand goes completely without mention. Don't be disingenuous.

[QAnonKelly]

I’ve been a fan of Ardern’s for a while now but I gotta say, she’s really impressed me the way she’s stepped up and dealt with this. Especially considering she’s one of the youngest heads of state in the world and she’s only been in office a year. Must be nice to have a head of state who’s not a raving lunatic sociopath...

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/christchurch-mosque-shooting-faces-dead-missing-and-injured