Islamophobic shooting in Christchurch, NZ

[dead0man]

I think the terrorist probably wanted more guns tbh.

He very specifically stated he chose guns because he wanted to create conflict over gun control.

will be fun to revisit this post when New Zealand near-unanimously passes a set of strict gun control measures some time next week

And I'll still be saying what I'm saying now. Giving into the desires of terrorists is weak. Especially when the issue of guns had nothing to do with this event. The terrorist made it very clear there were other methods he could have used to kill so many people. But it's useful to know that so many people are so simple minded to see it as another "muhhh less guns would fix all of our problems" event instead of what actually caused someone to carry out the act of violence, Jacinda included.

Yes he did have IEDs but those didn't go off, the guns significantly worsened the situation and its irresponsible to increase his ability to kill so many people. People realize assault weapons aren't necessary for hunting, many hunters have been handing them in voluntarily and are happy to give up those weapons as it's better for society not to have them. The key reason the US has so many mass shootings (and other gun deaths) than everyone else isn't that Americans are naturally more violent people, its because of the absurd looseness of US gun laws.

more Americans are killed by fists than all rifles combined

[dead0man]

I think the terrorist wanted to tear society apart by turning people against people, brother against brother, and nation against nation. I fail to see how gun control measures meaningfully plays into that, as it had an opposing effect by building a consensus in New Zealand in the first place.

ok.  I was just pointing out that a tiny TINY fraction of people are killed by the much talked about "assault weapons".  It's an interesting fact because it wouldn't seem that way by the talking points.