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brucejoel99
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« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2019, 04:00:29 PM »

Don't we need to pass secondary legislation?

No, the only secondary legislation that Parliament must pass is the statutory instrument required to change the Brexit date in law before March 29th.

If a scenario occurs in which Britain will be remaining a member of the EU past June 30th, then the (automatic) holding of the EU parliamentary elections is already accounted for under current law & status as a member of the EU.
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« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2019, 08:03:20 PM »

Britain is saved! Uri Geller personally takes control of the Brexit process:





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« Reply #127 on: March 23, 2019, 06:31:06 AM »

Is it worth mentioning that petition now has over 4 million signatures?

It only takes 100,000 to have a referendum here, and even factoring in population differences...
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« Reply #128 on: March 23, 2019, 06:42:11 AM »

The last Chartist petition of 1848 had six million, although there were some fake names on that. It took seventy years to achieve five of its six goals; the annual elections one hasn't happened yet.
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« Reply #129 on: March 23, 2019, 07:27:08 AM »

They should have moved the exit date to June 28 for maximum symbolism.
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« Reply #130 on: March 23, 2019, 07:34:38 AM »

The 7 May date was seemingly dropped when it was pointed out that the following day was VE Day.
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« Reply #131 on: March 23, 2019, 12:23:05 PM »

The 7 May date was seemingly dropped when it was pointed out that the following day was VE Day.

What would the point of 7 May have been?

I understand 11 April as last possible date for UK to announce EU elections, and 22 May as last day before EU elections. What happens on 7 May?
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« Reply #132 on: March 23, 2019, 12:43:13 PM »

Anyone taking part in this?

Anti-Brexit marchers swarm London streets, demand new vote



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« Reply #133 on: March 23, 2019, 12:45:32 PM »

The 7 May date was seemingly dropped when it was pointed out that the following day was VE Day.

What would the point of 7 May have been?

I understand 11 April as last possible date for UK to announce EU elections, and 22 May as last day before EU elections. What happens on 7 May?
8th of May is a public holiday in France. So it would have given them a one day "buffer" to more or less get things in place
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« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2019, 12:59:22 PM »
« Edited: March 23, 2019, 01:03:18 PM by Silent Hunter »

Yes, the public holiday marking the end of the war and the liberation of the country from a bunch of Germans...

You can see the symbolism from a mile off.

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For one thing, if A50 was revoked without a referendum, what stops a future government from just invoking it again?
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« Reply #135 on: March 23, 2019, 02:27:32 PM »


Yeah I did.
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« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2019, 03:46:21 PM »

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« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2019, 04:26:11 PM »





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« Reply #138 on: March 23, 2019, 04:35:19 PM »

I went to the march after doing some book shopping- was great fun, and lovely to see people on the train with flags, signs and stuff. Genuine movement as well with people across the country coming- my main takeaway is that Brexit will continue to be a huge cultural issue for a long time. You can’t just put this back in the bottle.

And fwiw the news of a coup is most likely overblown briefing- no PM has actually been removed in a cabinet lead coup since what 1916?
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« Reply #139 on: March 23, 2019, 04:39:46 PM »

Thatcher was basically told to go in 1990 after failing to end the leadership contest in the first round.

Whatever happens re Brexit, it won't end the issue, I agree. it was too close.
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« Reply #140 on: March 23, 2019, 05:26:37 PM »

Thatcher was basically told to go in 1990 after failing to end the leadership contest in the first round.

Whatever happens re Brexit, it won't end the issue, I agree. it was too close.

Yeah; but that started with the leadership bid. We haven’t had the cabinet actually march up to a PM and tell them to quit- but we get tons of stories about it (Brown in 08, Major in ‘95 and countless others)

I’m just so sceptical that a cabinet full of leadership rivals is able to actually do anything this well delicate.
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« Reply #141 on: March 23, 2019, 05:30:38 PM »

May can't face a leadership challenge until December.
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« Reply #142 on: March 23, 2019, 05:38:43 PM »

May can't face a leadership challenge until December.

And if half the cabinet resign the Tory whip until May is gone?

Not that I'm saying that is what will happen, but if enuf Tories decide they'd rather have an election than let May continue pretending she has a chance of getting her plan passed, then she's toast even if she nominally remains in charge of the party until December.
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« Reply #143 on: March 23, 2019, 05:59:47 PM »

They wouldn't resign the whip, but they might well resign their Cabinet posts.
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« Reply #144 on: March 23, 2019, 06:29:00 PM »

On paper, even if the entire May cabinet (minus may herself of course) resigned, May could stay as PM right?

Just name new cabinet ministers, I guess there will be at least a dozen tories willing to go down with her. If necessary, she could even appoint them from the House of Lords? (where they wouldn't even need to worry for reelection)
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« Reply #145 on: March 23, 2019, 06:32:11 PM »

The political damage would be too great, really.
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« Reply #146 on: March 23, 2019, 07:26:19 PM »

On paper, even if the entire May cabinet (minus may herself of course) resigned, May could stay as PM right?

Just name new cabinet ministers, I guess there will be at least a dozen tories willing to go down with her. If necessary, she could even appoint them from the House of Lords? (where they wouldn't even need to worry for reelection)

Its a non starter. Even if she is now deranged enough to want to carry on in those circumstances (and she could be, apparently she is burbling on about there being "massive support" out there "in the country" for her Brexit deal - it scored 12% in the recent ComRes poll) her party - never mind anybody else - would not wear it. And if all else failed, the monarch would likely have a quiet word?
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« Reply #147 on: March 23, 2019, 07:32:40 PM »

There are reports that a large part of the Cabinet is finally in revolt, and planning to secure May's resignation next week. Among other things, the Whips have alledgedly told her she has to go, the 1922 Committee may be considering a non-binding vote of confidence, and within the Cabinet there's talk of installing a unity candidate as a caretaker PM to secure a long extension and preside over a leadership contest in a few months.

Some reports say David Lidington could be the "unity "candidate, others say it could be Michael Gove.
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« Reply #148 on: March 23, 2019, 07:50:49 PM »

On paper, even if the entire May cabinet (minus may herself of course) resigned, May could stay as PM right?

Just name new cabinet ministers, I guess there will be at least a dozen tories willing to go down with her. If necessary, she could even appoint them from the House of Lords? (where they wouldn't even need to worry for reelection)

Now, I would absolutely love to see that happen. May's Cabinet resigns and she still stays on and then selects a new cabinet entirely from the unelected House of Lords. Imagine the blowback.
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« Reply #149 on: March 23, 2019, 10:55:18 PM »

Is it worth mentioning that petition now has over 4 million signatures?

It only takes 100,000 to have a referendum here, and even factoring in population differences...

100,000 signatures only guarantees that Parliament will consider the petition in a debate, not that a national referendum will take place lol
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