Mueller report thread - Mueller testimony July 24

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.

He did.

https://www.apnews.com/3c4bc6e9aa6c4fb18bc9603fb082af65

“Russia, if you’re listening,” said Trump, looking directly into a television camera, “I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing” — messages Clinton was reported to have deleted from her private email server.

Actually, Russia was doing more than listening: It had been trying to help Republican Trump for months. That very day, hackers working with Russia’s military intelligence tried to break into email accounts associated with Clinton’s personal office.

Unbeknownst to the public, Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen had been trying to broker a business deal in Russia for the Republican candidate. The proposal was for a Trump Tower Moscow. A letter of intent was signed. Cohen had discussed it with Trump and his children. Cohen had even gone so far as to reach out to the Kremlin directly for help, speaking with an official about ways to secure land and financing for the project.

Trump actively solicited and received help from the Russian government to win election. And he, his family, business and campaign, sought a quid pro quo of Trump Tower Moscow for sanctions relief. These aren't "allegations". This is publicly documented reality.

Why won't Republicans acknowledge the obvious? That's what's bizarre to me. It doesn't require giving up their (professed) beliefs, changing policy, giving up political power, or doing anything differently. It just means admitting that you were wrong about one con artist.

[Thatkat04]

Democrats are holding a conference call at 3:00pm tomorrow. So perhaps we'll learn something after that.

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1109289343007576064

[DINGO Joe]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.

Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power

Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.

It’s difficult to comprehend

FDR was a decent men]/b] while Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic ,bigoted sack of sh!t

*Wonders how FDR is a decent man*
*Looks at party label*
*Ah, now it makes sense*

FDR is overrated and his policies were really watered down socialism. Had we chosen Hoover again, Landon, Willkie, or Dewey, today, our nation would be a much better place

I'm well aware of the clown car you ride in, so I don't pay much attention to your posts.

[S019]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.

Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power

Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.

It’s difficult to comprehend

FDR was a decent men]/b] while Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic ,bigoted sack of sh!t

*Wonders how FDR is a decent man*
*Looks at party label*
*Ah, now it makes sense*

FDR is overrated and his policies were really watered down socialism. Had we chosen Hoover again, Landon, Willkie, or Dewey, today, our nation would be a much better place

I'm well aware of the clown car you ride in, so I don't pay much attention to your posts.

I just feel that America would be better off, without FDR's radical expansion of government, you can disagree, but that's my view, had it even been a moderate Democrat, America would have been better off, than we were with FDR.

[PSOL]

I’m going to do some community service for this forum during these trying times.

The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

Please take this post down.

I have friends and family that have utilized the NSPL. I also have a friend who committed suicide. It isn't a laughing matter.

Honestly this is a low point even for a nihilistic attention seeker like you. If you're going to try to own the libs please try to have some decency while you do it.

Just horrible that he would think this would be funny. Downright inexcusable behavior exhibited here that just seemed to finally come out of the woodwork from your gut, right JA?

I can’t believe such a thing would be possible, but for an indeterminate amount of time this pushes him to mega HP status. Mods, delete JA’s post under the grounds of an offensive personal attack.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Rachel Maddow was openly crying tonight on her show that Trump is likely not going to be implicated in the Mueller probe.

That is sick partisanship.

She wasn't....

[JA]

I’m going to do some community service for this forum during these trying times.

The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

Please take this post down.

I have friends and family that have utilized the NSPL. I also have a friend who committed suicide. It isn't a laughing matter.

Honestly this is a low point even for a nihilistic attention seeker like you. If you're going to try to own the libs please try to have some decency while you do it.

Yeah, I deleted that post. It certainly wasn’t in good taste and made light of something that’s very serious. I can’t defend it; I was wrong, simple as that.

[RI]

Rachel Maddow was openly crying tonight on her show that Trump is likely not going to be implicated in the Mueller probe.

That is sick partisanship.

Good CS Lewis quote

[Statilius the Epicurean]

The question now has to be asked if whether Robert Mueller is a Russian agent too.

[ProudModerate2]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.
Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power
Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.
It’s difficult to comprehend

FDR and Truman were decent men while Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic ,bigoted sack of sh!t

[gerritcole]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.
Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power
Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.
It’s difficult to comprehend

FDR and Truman were decent men while Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic ,bigoted sack of sh!t

japanese intenrment camps sure were decent...

[fhtagn]

Just in case anyone thought Trump derangement syndrome couldnt get any worse, all one needs to do is look at this thread.

[Badger]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.

Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power

Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.

It’s difficult to comprehend

FDR was a decent men]/b] while Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic ,bigoted sack of sh!t

*Wonders how FDR is a decent man*
*Looks at party label*
*Ah, now it makes sense*

FDR is overrated and his policies were really watered down socialism. Had we chosen Hoover again, Landon, Willkie, or Dewey, today, our nation would be a much better place

I'm well aware of the clown car you ride in, so I don't pay much attention to your posts.

I just feel that America would be better off, without FDR's radical expansion of government, you can disagree, but that's my view, had it even been a moderate Democrat, America would have been better off, than we were with FDR.

This explains so much

[GoTfan]

Can we now focus on attacking Trump's odious policies instead of trying to start Cold War Mark 2?

[Koharu]

I find it hilarious that people are assuming anything about the report at this point. As mentioned earlier, this is Schrodinger's report: the cat could be alive and it could be dead. We can't tell.

Anyway, I am thankful that the investigation is finishing up because now those Democrats using it as an excuse to not start on impeachment proceedings no longer have that excuse. Trump has done impeachable things in plain sight. Whether or not he is personally implicated in Russian meddling (which has already been proven to have happened, lest you forget) doesn't make him suddenly innocent of everything else.

Also, you'd better believe Trump is demanding a summary from Barr as we speak, if not within minutes of hearing of the delivery.

[Inmate Trump]

Oh my gosh, you guys are killing me.

For someone who doesn’t want to read through every page in this thread, can someone just confirm for me that the question of collusion has not been answered out of Mueller’s report yet?  I mean, we don’t know anything about the report yet right?

[Middle-aged Europe]

If Trump gets exonerated by Mueller's report is an exoneration by an illegal witchhunt really legitimate, I wonder?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If Trump gets exonerated by Mueller's report is an exoneration by an illegal witchhunt really legitimate, I wonder?

Not according to FOX:

The Mueller report should be rejected and not believed – it's fatally flawed

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has finally presented his report to Attorney General William Barr, after spending almost two years and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars on the effort. But whatever the report reveals, it is the product of a process and a special counsel team that were both fatally flawed from the beginning.

As a result, the Mueller report should be rejected out of hand by every American who cares at all about the concept of fundamental fairness that our founders intended to be a primary guiding principle for our government officials.

No matter what’s in the report, Mueller has already ensured that a large portion of the public will never have confidence in it.

Remember Republicans: if the Mueller report claims Trump did not conspire with Russia, FOX News says you shouldn't believe it.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Basically the break in of DNC happened but Mueller isnt indicting anyone of collusion with Russia.

This exhonerates Mr Comey, he said he didnt care about Mueller report findings. Trump will lose the 2020 election baded on what Comey said, not Mueller and the break in.  I have no more faith in Mr Mueller, Comey would have done better

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So what will be in it?

First, it won't contain any exonerating statements of the form "X didn't happen." tho there may be some of the form " X didn't happen at place Y on time Z. "

I expect a good bit of it to be of the form "X suggests Y is probable but not certain enough to bring to trial." Reasonable doubt is a high hurdle to clear and despite our Toddler-in-Chief's claims, Mueller never was engaged in a witch hunt. Hence only those things he thought he could get a conviction on were going to be handed off to a trial court.

In short, it'll be what I always expected.

[SteveRogers]

What many of us have wanted from the beginning is simply to know the truth. What Trump has wanted from the beginning is to keep us from knowing the truth. We’ve known for a while that Russia sponsored a sophisticated operation to interfere in the 2016 election. Trump didn’t even want us to know that much. The American people deserve to know what the scope of the Russian operation was, what could have been done differently to prevent it, and whether any Americans were complicit in it. The simple fact is that Trump has been opposed to letting the American people learn any of this. Whatever his reasons may be , he has been against the very idea of an impartial investigation. That is why a special prosecutor was necessary.

If the Mueller report concludes that Trump’s campaign was not actively involved in coordinating efforts with the Russian agents, then I will accept that conclusion.

But that doesn’t by itself mean that Trump is guilty of no wrongdoing. “No collusion!” is a shifting goalpost that Republicans have set up for themselves. But Trump can still be guilty of obstruction of justice even if there was no collusion. Why do none of the blue avatars here get this? If he took deliberate steps to sandbag an ongoing investigation, even if it was just because the investigation wounded his ego, then that is obstruction.

[GeorgiaModerate]

What many of us have wanted from the beginning is simply to know the truth. What Trump has wanted from the beginning is to keep us from knowing the truth. We’ve known for a while that Russia sponsored a sophisticated operation to interfere in the 2016 election. Trump didn’t even want us to know that much. The American people deserve to know what the scope of the Russian operation was, what could have been done differently to prevent it, and whether any Americans were complicit in it. The simple fact is that Trump has been opposed to letting the American people learn any of this. Whatever his reasons may be , he has been against the very idea of an impartial investigation. That is why a special prosecutor was necessary.

If the Mueller report concludes that Trump’s campaign was not actively involved in coordinating efforts with the Russian agents, then I will accept that conclusion.

But that doesn’t by itself mean that Trump is guilty of no wrongdoing. “No collusion!” is a shifting goalpost that Republicans have set up for themselves. But Trump can still be guilty of obstruction of justice even if there was no collusion. Why do none of the blue avatars here get this? If he took deliberate steps to sandbag an ongoing investigation, even if it was just because the investigation wounded his ego, then that is obstruction.

Excellent post.

[pbrower2a]

Why do you guys WANT it to be true that trump colluded with russia? It is bizarre to me.

Millions of Americans are livid that their President WASN’T colluding with a foreign power

Think about that for a second. Imagine half of the country actively hoping that FDR or Truman was caught colluding with the Japanese during WW2.

It’s difficult to comprehend

Americans are livid that the President could have colluded with a foreign power hostile to democracy. Note that the Roman Republic had a wild-and-woolly political order complete with elections. Coincidentally, the Romans also had a two-Party system.

Much was excusable, but one thing was not: collusion with a foreign power to get electoral strength. Such could get the daggers out. 

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Mueller report has DROPPED!


Copy here: https://www.scribd.com/document/402800029/Report-from-the-Special-Counsel-Investigation-into-Russian-Interference-During-and-Before-the-2016-Presidential-Election

I’m gonna save this for April Fools Day.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Oh my gosh, you guys are killing me.

For someone who doesn’t want to read through every page in this thread, can someone just confirm for me that the question of collusion has not been answered out of Mueller’s report yet?  I mean, we don’t know anything about the report yet right?

This thread is full of hot takes. The report itself hasn’t dropped, nor have Barr’s comments. I’ll post Barr’s letter of receipt though.