Canada General Discussion (2019-)

[DC Al Fine]

Globe says Caroline Mulroney and Michael Fortier might be interested in replacing Scheer.

This is one of the reasons I think we should let Scheer have another kick at the can; we invested a lot of time and money into his brand, and I'm not seeing any compelling candidates to start over with. MacKay is the only strong alternative IMO and he gives me strong paper tiger vibes.

This is probably at least in part due to Harper's overly leader-centric style and failure to develop his front bench. They had a few strong contenders but those are mostly unavailable. Stuff happens, people move on etc, so ideally one would want several plausible strong successors in a party, which will whittle down during an actual leadership election. I wonder if the Liberals will suffer from the same issue when Trudeau goes.

[MaxQue]

Globe says Caroline Mulroney and Michael Fortier might be interested in replacing Scheer.

This is one of the reasons I think we should let Scheer have another kick at the can; we invested a lot of time and money into his brand, and I'm not seeing any compelling candidates to start over with. MacKay is the only strong alternative IMO and he gives me strong paper tiger vibes.

This is probably at least in part due to Harper's overly leader-centric style and failure to develop his front bench. They had a few strong contenders but those are mostly unavailable. Stuff happens, people move on etc, so ideally one would want several plausible strong successors in a party, which will whittle down during an actual leadership election. I wonder if the Liberals will suffer from the same issue when Trudeau goes.

Possible. There was reports that some Liberals were lobbying Mark Carney as replacement if Trudeau lost.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Is Caroline Mulroney a red Torie?

[DC Al Fine]

Globe says Caroline Mulroney and Michael Fortier might be interested in replacing Scheer.

This is one of the reasons I think we should let Scheer have another kick at the can; we invested a lot of time and money into his brand, and I'm not seeing any compelling candidates to start over with. MacKay is the only strong alternative IMO and he gives me strong paper tiger vibes.

This is probably at least in part due to Harper's overly leader-centric style and failure to develop his front bench. They had a few strong contenders but those are mostly unavailable. Stuff happens, people move on etc, so ideally one would want several plausible strong successors in a party, which will whittle down during an actual leadership election. I wonder if the Liberals will suffer from the same issue when Trudeau goes.

Possible. There was reports that some Liberals were lobbying Mark Carney as replacement if Trudeau lost.

Haha, people love to speculate about non-pols. I saw Ben Mulroney's name tossed around if Scheer goes

It's an interesting issue. Freeland is definitly a bona fide leadership contender but the list isn't too long after that.

[DC Al Fine]

Is Caroline Mulroney a red Torie?

I'm not sure about the "red" label, but my understanding is that she is to the left of Scheer but right of MacKay.

[T'Chenka]

Don Cherry fired from Sportsnet for attacking immigrants and then refusing to apologize. Some news sources just saying he was fired over comments, which isn't 100% accurate

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/don-cherry-fired

[DC Al Fine]

Jagmeet Singh is publicly musing about voting against the Throne Speech. Guess this marks the beginning of minority parliament haggling.

[Kingpoleon]

Could Caroline Mulroney seriously establish a new political dynasty in Canada? Personally, I think I’d prefer Catherine Clark if that's going to happen.

[Hatman 🍁]

Are the Clarks even Conservative anymore?

[DC Al Fine]

Are the Clarks even Conservative anymore?

Joe definitely isn't. Besides, being a Clark is a huge negative for a Tory hopeful. Mulroney, for all his issues, won two majorities, had some right wing policy achievements, and backed the merger. Clark mishandled a minority, somehow managed to let a damaged Trudeau Sr win a 4th term and then pissed away whatever remaining goodwill he had during his 2nd leadership by holding up and attacking the Alliance-PC merger.

Even the Reds (of which I am sort of part of) dislike him. Honestly the only people that seem to like Joe Clark are in other parties. Not a great recipe for his kid winning leadership (if she's even a Tory).

[Kingpoleon]

Clark is a reminder that Red Tories make better Premiers than Prime Ministers(IE Peter Lougheed and Bill Davis).

[T'Chenka]

Jagmeet Singh is publicly musing about voting against the Throne Speech. Guess this marks the beginning of minority parliament haggling.

Not at all. This is political posturing. The NDP is out of money and the Bloc did so amazingly well that they have ZERO interest in an election right now. Unless this Liberal government screws up BAD, the Conservatives won't be able to muster the support for a hung parliament until 2021 at the very earliest.

[Hatman 🍁]

Are the Clarks even Conservative anymore?

Joe definitely isn't. Besides, being a Clark is a huge negative for a Tory hopeful. Mulroney, for all his issues, won two majorities, had some right wing policy achievements, and backed the merger. Clark mishandled a minority, somehow managed to let a damaged Trudeau Sr win a 4th term and then pissed away whatever remaining goodwill he had during his 2nd leadership by holding up and attacking the Alliance-PC merger.

Even the Reds (of which I am sort of part of) dislike him. Honestly the only people that seem to like Joe Clark are in other parties. Not a great recipe for his kid winning leadership (if she's even a Tory).

This is true. I kind of like him myself. I wonder if he's voted NDP in the last 15 years? There are some Tories from back then who have (like Flora Macdonald).

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1196969623268270080 Part of a Cabinet overhaul, Champagne replaces her there. Duclos gets Treasury Board, O'Regan Natural Resources among others.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/globepolitics/status/1199124871114035200 Hamish Marshall left today and Scheer fired his COS and DComm last weekend to boot.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1199878625337712645 Scheer is also facing a national elite/grassroots revolt everywhere except SK, and their hope is he resigns by Christmas.

[Kingpoleon]

Who would replace him? O’Toole? Or a black horse like Gérard Deltell?

[DC Al Fine]

Who would replace him? O’Toole? Or a black horse like Gérard Deltell?

Maybe. There's a bunch of names floating around. Peter MacKay. I've heard rumours that Michelle Rempel is organizing. Garnett Genius is shaping up to be the socon candidate apparently. It's kind of an open question, since when and how Scheer leaves could have a big effect.

Heck, maybe Trudeau has a scandal next week, we get new elections and Scheer gets ousted under totally different circumstances than what we're expecting. Maybe he becomes PM. Who knows.

This is kind of like asking who will the 2016 GOP nominee be in December 2012.

[Kingpoleon]

Maybe. There's a bunch of names floating around. Peter MacKay. I've heard rumours that Michelle Rempel is organizing. Garnett Genius is shaping up to be the socon candidate apparently. It's kind of an open question, since when and how Scheer leaves could have a big effect.

Heck, maybe Trudeau has a scandal next week, we get new elections and Scheer gets ousted under totally different circumstances than what we're expecting. Maybe he becomes PM. Who knows.

This is kind of like asking who will the 2016 GOP nominee be in December 2012.

If Scheer is forced out by Christmas, it’s really pretty close to happening.

I have to say - he led his party to where they’re in a much better position than they were, so I don’t quite understand those who want him out.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/HoCChamber/status/1202642749285122048

[gottsu]

https://twitter.com/HoCChamber/status/1202642749285122048

What you can say about him?

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/globepolitics/status/1205165425174155265

[MaxQue]

Andrew Scheer has resigned as Conservative leader.

[RogueBeaver]

Because he used party money to pay for his kids' education.

[RogueBeaver]

RIP: John Crosbie has died at 88.