Notre Dame is burning.

[Illiniwek]

French Interior Ministry: saving Notre Dame is not certain.
The firefighters fear that the fire could reach and destroy the North Tower.

It looks increasingly likely that the fire has spread to the towers and if that's true then there is likely little hope of saving them.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Twitter's already full of idiots trying to spin it in a known way.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Twitter's already full of idiots trying to spin it in a known way.

You could end that sentence after "idiots" and it would apply in almost any situation.

[The Dowager Mod]

No one throws shade like the French.
https://twitter.com/SecCivileFrance/status/1117874924268376064

[Crumpets]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

video:
https://twitter.com/Inaki_Gil/status/1117868382785802242?s=20

[Tirnam]

The towers are saved.

[Lechasseur]

The towers are saved.

just heard that, i'm happy about that, apparently the structure in general will survive as well

[Meclazine for Israel]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

According to Australian TV news.

Crown of Thorns is gone.

Wood from the Crucifixion Cross is gone.

I find it hard to believe they would keep this stuff in the attic of a wooden building, but who knows.

[Illiniwek]

The towers are saved.

just heard that, i'm happy about that, apparently the structure in general will survive as well

That is very good news. May I ask who is reporting this?

[Lechasseur]

The towers are saved.

just heard that, i'm happy about that, apparently the structure in general will survive as well

That is very good news. May I ask who is reporting this?

Now they're just saying they're optimistic that they'll save the towers, they aren't mentioning the rest of the structure anymore.

I'm watching the live feed on CBS (I'm on CBS just because it's the first live video that appeared on my facebook feed, otherwise normally I'd watch this type of thing on the BBC)

[politicallefty]

The towers are saved.

just heard that, i'm happy about that, apparently the structure in general will survive as well

That is very good news. May I ask who is reporting this?

Apparently according to Paris Police, so that's something at least.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

According to Australian TV news.

Crown of Thorns is gone.

Wood from the Crucifixion Cross is gone.

I find it hard to believe they would keep this stuff in the attic of a wooden building, but who knows.

It was reported earlier that they were saved, but there could be conflicting reports.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Guys, please refrain from trying to spin it one way or the other to fit one's ideological message. This thread's been very respectful so far and I'd like to keep it this way.

[Crumpets]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

According to Australian TV news.

Crown of Thorns is gone.

Wood from the Crucifixion Cross is gone.

I find it hard to believe they would keep this stuff in the attic of a wooden building, but who knows.

It was reported earlier that they were saved, but there could be conflicting reports.

I know they reported earlier that recovering the artifacts was the top priority above containing the fire, and I have to imagine those had top priority unless they were kept in a particularly dangerous area.

[Hindsight was 2020]

French officials announced that the structure has survived
https://mobile.twitter.com/HalaGorani/status/1117898351830130688?ref_src=twsrc%5...

[Sestak]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

According to Australian TV news.

Crown of Thorns is gone.

Wood from the Crucifixion Cross is gone.

I find it hard to believe they would keep this stuff in the attic of a wooden building, but who knows.

It was reported earlier that they were saved, but there could be conflicting reports.

I know they reported earlier that recovering the artifacts was the top priority above containing the fire, and I have to imagine those had top priority unless they were kept in a particularly dangerous area.

https://twitter.com/koliadelesalle/status/1117865987670364160?s=21

Translation: “Good News: All the works of art have survived. Thee treasure of the cathedral, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments”.


(At least I’m assuming that’s what ‘saints sacraments’ means, someone please correct me if I’m wrong.)

[Tirnam]

Macron: "This cathedral, we will rebuild it, because it's our destiny, because that's what the French expect"

[Meclazine for Israel]

It looks like the fire is going down, at least modestly. I'm no engineer, but it looks like the stone frame, and hopefully some of the windows will stay intact. The bronze statues on the roof definitely were saved. The biggest question marks are the religious relics inside.

According to Australian TV news.

Crown of Thorns is gone.

Wood from the Crucifixion Cross is gone.

I find it hard to believe they would keep this stuff in the attic of a wooden building, but who knows.

It was reported earlier that they were saved, but there could be conflicting reports.

I know they reported earlier that recovering the artifacts was the top priority above containing the fire, and I have to imagine those had top priority unless they were kept in a particularly dangerous area.

https://twitter.com/koliadelesalle/status/1117865987670364160?s=21

Translation: “Good News: All the works of art have survived. Thee treasure of the cathedral, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments”.


(At least I’m assuming that’s what ‘saints sacraments’ means, someone please correct me if I’m wrong.)

Clearly, not all of the artworks are saved. But looks like the major ones are now safe.



Hope they laser-scanned the spire.

But this cathedral has been looted and robbed before. This next one will be about the 4th major restoration attempt.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-16/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-engulfed-by-fire-roof-collapses/11018158

"It was ransacked by rioting Protestant Huguenots in the 16th century, pillaged again during the French Revolution of the 1790s and left in a state of semi-neglect."

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Guys, please refrain from trying to spin it one way or the other to fit one's ideological message. This thread's been very respectful so far and I'd like to keep it this way.

I really take issue with you deleting my post. I don't see how my post violates the TOS. Perhaps you can explain to me why? Otherwise I will e-mail Dave about it. If only atheists are welcome on this forum perhaps he can tell me why.

Religion is not the issue here. I'll repost the part in question:

Doesn't "feel" all that different from the umpteenth attack there either. Perhaps also a morbid sign from God about what's happening to Western civilization these days - particularly in France, more particularly in Paris.

The dog-whistling here is obvious. The same would go for somebody using the fire to attack the right or people of faith.

You're free to email Dave, because I'm standing by my action.

[Silent Hunter]

The spire's a big loss and I can imagine a lot of the interior has had it. The rebuild will be very expensive, that's for sure.

[DavidB.]

The dog-whistling here is obvious. The same would go for somebody using the fire to attack the right or people of faith.

I was criticizing no one but ourselves. It does not violate the TOS and I will e-mail Dave about it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

With all the irreperable loss let's just be grateful the structure is saved. It would be absolutely heathwrenching to see Paris without Notre Dame.

[Mike88]

Thank God the fire is under controled. Paris without Notre-Dame is unthinkable.

[Tartarus Sauce]

This is absolutely terrible, but it looks like it won’t be as catastrophic as originally predicted. They seemed to be indicating they thought the whole structure would be lost just two hours ago. Losing the spires and the stain-glassed windows is a huge blow, though. Very sad, but thankfully the structure as a whole has survived.