Notre Dame is burning.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Yup. A major reason why Britain turned to coal in the 17th century was that the island was suffering a shortage of charcoal due to overuse of the forests. For most purposes, charcoal is superior to the coal found in Britain.

No, completely untrue. Old (and self-evidently ridiculous if you know anything about charcoal production) myth.

So the charcoal of Britain was poor quality also, or was the bottleneck in iron and steel production the poor quality of British iron ore? It wasn't until the invention of the blast furnace that British iron was considered even comparable to that of other places in quality.

[Lechasseur]

So what do you all think of Macron's architectural competition to design a new roof and spire for Notre Dame?

I think it's a Massive HP move.

Tbh different materials will most likely have to be used and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a new design being used (although rebuilding them to the closest design possible to the old ones would be my preference), but the roof and spire need to be rebuilt in Gothic style at the very least. On the other hand, I think Macron wants a "modern" design built in glass or something like that. If that's the case, I'd rather just not have the roof or spire rebuilt.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So what do you all think of Macron's architectural competition to design a new roof and spire for Notre Dame?

I think it's a Massive HP move.

Tbh different materials will most likely have to be used and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a new design being used (although rebuilding them to the closest design possible to the old ones would be my preference), but the roof and spire need to be rebuilt in Gothic style at the very least. On the other hand, I think Macron wants a "modern" design built in glass or something like that. If that's the case, I'd rather just not have the roof or spire rebuilt.

Agreed. It's been pretty clear everybody wants the Notre Dame to be rebuilt as closely to what it was before, because it's freaking Notre Dame, because of continuity and preservance, because of its iconic look, etc. Sure, it can't be done in exactly the same way as you've pointed out, but if this is the intention, you might just as well erect a whole new structure and call it "Notre Dame".

[Sestak]

So what do you all think of Macron's architectural competition to design a new roof and spire for Notre Dame?

I think it's a Massive HP move.

Tbh different materials will most likely have to be used and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a new design being used (although rebuilding them to the closest design possible to the old ones would be my preference), but the roof and spire need to be rebuilt in Gothic style at the very least. On the other hand, I think Macron wants a "modern" design built in glass or something like that. If that's the case, I'd rather just not have the roof or spire rebuilt.

Yeah. Obviously it can’t be the exact same materials, but the closer the better for this.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Cause of fire officially confirmed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c8DEK3I3pU

[Lechasseur]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20190503.OBS12448/les-francais-seront-consultes-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rvzUc9-0xyukeFnuwIlLC25BON3nrJIozK1UcjNozyeO101Xs2xv_XLY#Echobox=1556899022

"The French (people) will be consulted on the reconstruction of Notre Dame"

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20190503.OBS12448/les-francais-seront-consultes-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rvzUc9-0xyukeFnuwIlLC25BON3nrJIozK1UcjNozyeO101Xs2xv_XLY#Echobox=1556899022

"The French (people) will be consulted on the reconstruction of Notre Dame"

I’ve always found Gothic architecture to be grotesque and sinister, but I can only imagine the cosmopolitan monument to secularism that will replace it. Surely it’ll be an architectural abortion.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Cause of fire officially confirmed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c8DEK3I3pU

Wrong. This happened.

https://youtu.be/0NYO9O5Md5o

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20190503.OBS12448/les-francais-seront-consultes-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rvzUc9-0xyukeFnuwIlLC25BON3nrJIozK1UcjNozyeO101Xs2xv_XLY#Echobox=1556899022

"The French (people) will be consulted on the reconstruction of Notre Dame"

"Consultation" is a wonderfully vague term.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20190503.OBS12448/les-francais-seront-consultes-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rvzUc9-0xyukeFnuwIlLC25BON3nrJIozK1UcjNozyeO101Xs2xv_XLY#Echobox=1556899022

"The French (people) will be consulted on the reconstruction of Notre Dame"

"Consultation" is a wonderfully vague term.

Yeah, Macron is going to do whatever he likes, regardless of what the people think.

Seriously that guy is so egotistical it isn't funny. I'm absolutely sick and tired of him, I'd vote for the left just to get him out at this point.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20190503.OBS12448/les-francais-seront-consultes-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rvzUc9-0xyukeFnuwIlLC25BON3nrJIozK1UcjNozyeO101Xs2xv_XLY#Echobox=1556899022

"The French (people) will be consulted on the reconstruction of Notre Dame"

I’ve always found Gothic architecture to be grotesque and sinister, but I can only imagine the cosmopolitan monument to secularism that will replace it. Surely it’ll be an architectural abortion.

I love Gothic architecture, but yeah I agree with the rest of what you said.

[Crumpets]

I reject the notion that cosmopolitcan secularism would want to ruin Notre Dame by building some IM Pei-style monstrosity. I really don't know if that trend really has a demographic supporting it beyond architects who want to make a name for themselves.

[Lechasseur]

I reject the notion that cosmopolitcan secularism would want to ruin Notre Dame by building some IM Pei-style monstrosity. I really don't know if that trend really has a demographic supporting it beyond architects who want to make a name for themselves.

The government wants it. Macron for one has no respect for France's heritage, and then "Jupiter" wants to leave his mark on history by making a big modification to Notre Dame.

[Lechasseur]

For a while Merkel was my least favorite European leader, but now it's pretty easily "Jupiter" Macron.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I reject the notion that cosmopolitcan secularism would want to ruin Notre Dame by building some IM Pei-style monstrosity. I really don't know if that trend really has a demographic supporting it beyond architects who want to make a name for themselves.

The government wants it. Macron for one has no respect for France's heritage, and then "Jupiter" wants to leave his mark on history by making a big modification to Notre Dame.

Do you have any evidence for that? You know I'm no fan of FBM, but I don't think it's fair to just assume he has some ridiculous plans for Notre Dame just because he's a he's a megalomaniacal creep (which he is).

[Lechasseur]

I reject the notion that cosmopolitcan secularism would want to ruin Notre Dame by building some IM Pei-style monstrosity. I really don't know if that trend really has a demographic supporting it beyond architects who want to make a name for themselves.

The government wants it. Macron for one has no respect for France's heritage, and then "Jupiter" wants to leave his mark on history by making a big modification to Notre Dame.

Do you have any evidence for that? You know I'm no fan of FBM, but I don't think it's fair to just assume he has some ridiculous plans for Notre Dame just because he's a he's a megalomaniacal creep (which he is).

Well he is holding a comeption to choose the new design and did say he'd consider modern designs, if he's holding a competition and said that, we know what he wants.

[Sestak]

This is ridiculous.


If the Statue of Liberty (which actually already IS a secular monument) was partially destroyed, no politician in the mainstream would be calling for a "competition to choose a new design". Anyone who did would be laughed out of the room.

Wtf is Macron doing?

[Blue3]

This is ridiculous.


If the Statue of Liberty (which actually already IS a secular monument) was partially destroyed, no politician in the mainstream would be calling for a "competition to choose a new design". Anyone who did would be laughed out of the room.

Wtf is Macron doing?

Well, the US did with the WTC.

Counterpoint being that the WTC was legitimately ugly, while Notre Dame is renowned for its beauty.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

I actually don't mind this, but that's primarily because I really, really love the interior of the Sagrada Familia.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

If they actually build that glass monstrosity then frankly they should just raze the whole thing.

[Tintrlvr]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

I actually don't mind this, but that's primarily because I really, really love the interior of the Sagrada Familia.

It is very pretty, but it's not Notre Dame. Let this architect build his own cathedral somewhere else.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

If they actually build that glass monstrosity then frankly they should just raze the whole thing.

Exactly, I'd rather see it be left as a ruin at this point.

Most French people want it restored the way it was, or at least have it fit the original style, but Macron and LREM don't care, they're adamant on having a modern monstrosity built.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

I actually don't mind this, but that's primarily because I really, really love the interior of the Sagrada Familia.

It is very pretty, but it's not Notre Dame. Let this architect build his own cathedral somewhere else.

EXACTLY! You don't mix styles like that

[Lechasseur]

https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detail_l-architecte-belgo-parisien-vincent-callebaut-propose-son-projet-pour-notre-dame?id=10216877&fbclid=IwAR15bCg0vvWW__Ih4Kvt0IiiHWkDsGLZJqHrPENg1h2nwRL8eGOFJDhQvQk

A serious proposal for the restauration of Notre Dame...it's disgusting!

If they actually build that glass monstrosity then frankly they should just raze the whole thing.

Exactly, I'd rather see it be left as a ruin at this point.

Most French people want it restored the way it was, or at least have it fit the original style, but Macron and LREM don't care, they're adamant on having a modern monstrosity built.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/culture/arts-expos/architecture/notre-dame-de-paris-les-francais-majoritairement-opposes-a-une-loi-d-exception-pour-accelerer-la-reconstruction-selon-un-sondage_3435847.html?fbclid=IwAR2SujHYEfTl6s9KqQgT0ABD9YUx53VSLHmOm_rN3cEOgResAUWZMwTZnP4

The proof the French are opposed to "reconstruction" in a modern design, and with these abortions called "designs" being submitted, that number will continue to rise. Anyone with decent taste will be opposed soon.