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« Reply #150 on: May 11, 2019, 01:42:55 PM »
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I reject the notion that cosmopolitcan secularism would want to ruin Notre Dame by building some IM Pei-style monstrosity. I really don't know if that trend really has a demographic supporting it beyond architects who want to make a name for themselves.

You'd be surprised.

Our government and LREM fit that demographic and they support it.
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« Reply #151 on: May 11, 2019, 01:58:47 PM »

That new spire is probably intended to represent Macron's manhood. He'll probably like it to be furnished with gold too.
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« Reply #152 on: May 11, 2019, 02:17:28 PM »

mfw Macron attempts to rebuild Notre Dame as some modernist disaster

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« Reply #153 on: May 11, 2019, 02:19:16 PM »

What I'm most worried about is if they super rush the rebuild so Macron can be in charge of opening it in his second term, which would doubtless cause an embarrassingly shoddy bit of workmanship.
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« Reply #154 on: May 11, 2019, 03:00:08 PM »

Eh, I actually think that mixing styles of architecture like this can work quite well in some instances.


But this really isn't the proper scenario to be doing it. As someone said above, it's not Notre Dame.
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« Reply #155 on: May 12, 2019, 02:10:11 PM »

What I'm most worried about is if they super rush the rebuild so Macron can be in charge of opening it in his second term, which would doubtless cause an embarrassingly shoddy bit of workmanship.

The last thing we need is to see another fire because someone screws up.
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« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2019, 03:22:00 PM »

I think a modern rebuild could be the right call, if done correctly. Look to the Reichstag for more. Trying to make it like it was as if the fire never happened and it was still the 1300s just seems disingenuous. Preserve and salvage all that stands, but build the roof to represent contemporary France (and TBF, I've always found the interior of the Notre Dame far too dark.)
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« Reply #157 on: May 12, 2019, 03:27:21 PM »

I think a modern rebuild could be the right call, if done correctly. Look to the Reichstag for more. Trying to make it like it was as if the fire never happened and it was still the 1300s just seems disingenuous. Preserve and salvage all that stands, but build the roof to represent contemporary France (and TBF, I've always found the interior of the Notre Dame far too dark.)

Eww gross no!

Leave it as it is now if that's your plan
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« Reply #158 on: May 26, 2019, 08:31:51 AM »

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/notre-dame-hidalgo-veut-une-renovation-a-l-identique-de-la-toiture-et-la-charpente-20190526?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3-GdnN9xkldBg737CTQuitbgQ5Dgr5KplKfcPEWA383vvJY2u3Nk8c5L8#Echobox=1558869035

Even the PS mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, wants Notre Dame restored identically to how it was before. Jupiter needs to listen.
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« Reply #159 on: May 31, 2019, 05:57:22 PM »

https://www.thelocal.fr/20190528/french-senate-says-notre-dame-must-be-restored-exactly-to-how-it-was?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&fbclid=IwAR2aFFGIb_O1rjm5Lv9kBbmzI4MxbFg41O0HcYs29j8MnTdYf71jDhrSg8E

The French Senate says Notre Dame must be restored exactly how it was
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« Reply #160 on: May 31, 2019, 08:28:16 PM »


Good. I'm fine with some internal structural updates, since it's not like we have a lot of enormous 800 year old oak trees laying around, but the restoration should be as close to original as possible.
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« Reply #161 on: June 06, 2019, 08:36:24 AM »

https://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2019/06/05/notre-dame-desaccord-profond-entre-l-assemblee-et-le-senat_5471717_3246.html

The National Assembly and the Senate can't come up with a compromise on the Notre Dame restoration (or as LREM would say, "reconstruction") bill, and given in France if both houses can't agree, the lower house has the last word, it looks like Macron will get the bill he wants and will be able to do whatever he wants to Notre Dame.
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« Reply #162 on: June 15, 2019, 01:39:50 PM »

AP: Notre Dame celebrates 1st Mass since devastating April fire

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PARIS — The archbishop wore a hard-hat helmet, burnt wood debris was still visible and only about 30 people were let inside, but Notre Dame Cathedral on Saturday held its first Mass since the devastating April 15th fire that ravaged its roof and toppled its masterpiece spire.

Exactly two months after the blaze engulfed the landmark Gothic building in the French capital, the service was celebrated by Paris Archbishop Michel Aupetit in a chapel behind the choir, a place confirmed by construction experts as safe.

French Culture Minister Franck Riester said this week the cathedral remains in a "fragile" state, especially its vaulted ceiling, which is still at risk of collapsing.

For security reasons, only about 30 people — mainly priests, canons and church employees — were admitted inside the cathedral for the service, while Aupetit and others wore construction worker's helmets. Some of the workers rebuilding the church were also invited.
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« Reply #163 on: July 27, 2019, 11:25:21 PM »

Great write-up from NYT on the fire and the firefighters who saved the bell towers:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/16/world/europe/notre-dame.html
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« Reply #164 on: July 27, 2019, 11:59:58 PM »

Great write-up from NYT on the fire and the firefighters who saved the bell towers:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/16/world/europe/notre-dame.html

To me, it looked like all of the experts on the news were bracing for it to collapse & were shocked when it didn't.
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« Reply #165 on: October 13, 2019, 04:13:39 PM »

For the record, not the same article I posted in the France thread (so I don't get any new complaints):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la-croix.com/amp/1201053673

According to the dean of Notre Dame Cathedral, the design competition will only concern the spire and the square in front of the Cathedral, so if he's right there's no chance of a monstrosity being built to replace the roof.
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« Reply #166 on: October 13, 2019, 04:16:31 PM »

Also, the design competition will normally be held in November or December.
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« Reply #167 on: October 16, 2019, 06:59:47 PM »

https://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2019/06/05/notre-dame-desaccord-profond-entre-l-assemblee-et-le-senat_5471717_3246.html

The National Assembly and the Senate can't come up with a compromise on the Notre Dame restoration (or as LREM would say, "reconstruction") bill, and given in France if both houses can't agree, the lower house has the last word, it looks like Macron will get the bill he wants and will be able to do whatever he wants to Notre Dame.
Careful! The 18 Brumaire is coming up soon enough. ‘Twould be a shame if something happened again.
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« Reply #168 on: October 17, 2019, 01:56:18 PM »

The Senate is right. I hope Macron doesn't ruin this valuable piece of French heritage.
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« Reply #169 on: November 26, 2019, 08:51:24 PM »

Macron's special representative for the ''reconstruction'' of Notre Dame told the chief architect of Notre Dame to ''shut up'' at a Senate culture committee hearing due to his views on Notre Dame's spire. Macron's representative, Jean-Louis Georgelin, wants a modern spire built while Philippe Villeneuve, the chief architect, wants the spire rebuilt the way it was before the fire and said that if a modern spire is to be built, then a different architect will have to do it.

The Senate culture committee has implied that Georgelin should be removed from the project while the Minister of Culture Franck Riester criticized him as well.

https://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2019/11/15/tolle-politique-apres-le-derapage-du-representant-de-macron-sur-la-reconstruction-de-notre-dame-de-paris_6019233_3246.html

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« Reply #170 on: November 26, 2019, 09:22:35 PM »

Un-f**king-believable
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« Reply #171 on: November 26, 2019, 09:39:03 PM »


Yeah the current government clearly has no respect for anyone that even slightly disagrees with them
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« Reply #172 on: November 26, 2019, 11:40:34 PM »


Yeah the current government clearly has no respect for anyone that even slightly disagrees with them

From the treatment of some of their allies, I thnk that's more accurate.
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« Reply #173 on: November 27, 2019, 09:02:50 AM »

The really bizarre part is that it is the hired architect who is talking sense, while the other people insist on the viability of making monuments to themselves.
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« Reply #174 on: November 27, 2019, 09:36:38 AM »

Marcon probably wants to outdone Napoleon III in leaving his "imprint" on Paris. However Napoleon/Hausmann renovation of Paris actually made sense.
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