where should alcohol be allowed to be sold

[dead0man]

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[DC Al Fine]

Not state run stores. My provincial government has a near-monopoly on retail sales of liquor and cannabis. I don't have any experience with the cannabis stores, but our liquor stores suck compared to the States and the parts of Canada that let the private market sell booze.

Prices are high, selection is poor, and it's near impossible to get craft beer from outside my region.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Not all alcohol is the same. Beer, wine, and other simply fermented drinks commonly served with food should be available wherever food is sold. Distilled beverages should be more restricted.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

As with alcohol cannabis, I believe it should be sold in general retail along with pot shops where proper regulations apply.

For the same reasons as DC, I don't like state-run stores.

[dead0man]

Not state run stores. My provincial government has a near-monopoly on retail sales of liquor and cannabis. I don't have any experience with the cannabis stores, but our liquor stores suck compared to the States and the parts of Canada that let the private market sell booze.

Prices are high, selection is poor, and it's near impossible to get craft beer from outside my region.

it was actually an article on possible law changes in Ontario that spawned the idea for these threads.  It's crazy how conservative some "left" leaning places (and people) are with certain issues.

[Del Tachi]

Liquor in alcohol specific stores, beer and wine allowed in gas stations/grocery stores

[Mopsus]

I understand conceptually keeping spirits and liquor distinct, but it doesn't really make sense to tell people they can't buy $5 vodka at the same place they can buy a case of Natty Ice.

[Del Tachi]

I understand conceptually keeping spirits and liquor distinct, but it doesn't really make sense to tell people they can't buy $5 vodka at the same place they can buy a case of Natty Ice.

Sure it does.  It has nothing to do with the price.  Taaka vodka is 40% ABV whereas most light beers are less than 5%.

[Mopsus]

I understand conceptually keeping spirits and liquor distinct, but it doesn't really make sense to tell people they can't buy $5 vodka at the same place they can buy a case of Natty Ice.

Sure it does.  It has nothing to do with the price.  Taaka vodka is 40% ABV whereas most light beers are less than 5%.

I'm just not sure what your angle is. Malt liquor and bum wine have worse reputations than hard liquor because they're just as cheap to get drunk off of, and they're a lot easier to drink.

[Del Tachi]

I understand conceptually keeping spirits and liquor distinct, but it doesn't really make sense to tell people they can't buy $5 vodka at the same place they can buy a case of Natty Ice.

Sure it does.  It has nothing to do with the price.  Taaka vodka is 40% ABV whereas most light beers are less than 5%.

I'm just not sure what your angle is. Malt liquor and bum wine have worse reputations than hard liquor because they're just as cheap to get drunk off of, and they're a lot easier to drink.

My angle is that spirits and liquor with higher alcohol contents should be more controlled than beverages with lower alcohol contents.  Malt liquor is beer

[Mopsus]

I understand conceptually keeping spirits and liquor distinct, but it doesn't really make sense to tell people they can't buy $5 vodka at the same place they can buy a case of Natty Ice.

Sure it does.  It has nothing to do with the price.  Taaka vodka is 40% ABV whereas most light beers are less than 5%.

I'm just not sure what your angle is. Malt liquor and bum wine have worse reputations than hard liquor because they're just as cheap to get drunk off of, and they're a lot easier to drink.

My angle is that spirits and liquor with higher alcohol contents should be more controlled than beverages with lower alcohol contents.  Malt liquor is beer

And while that’s a distinction that “feels” right, history shows that malt liquor and sweetened fortified wine can be just as dangerous to public and private health as hard liquor. So you’re inconveniencing people without having a solid reason to do so.

[Yellowhammer]

Any place, every day of the week.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The practice of selling alcohol in gas stations has always concerned me a little bit since people in gas stations are, almost by definition, driving someplace. I don't see any compelling reason to restrict alcohol sales in grocery stores.

[Senator Incitatus]

The practice of selling alcohol in gas stations has always concerned me a little bit since people in gas stations are, almost by definition, driving someplace. I don't see any compelling reason to restrict alcohol sales in grocery stores.

Not really sure how that applies specifically to gas stations and not all vendors accessible only by car. Your Massachusetts is showing.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

My only issue with Iowa/Missouri law, where you can buy any type of alcohol basically everywhere, including Target*, is they don't have many dedicated liquor stores and thus less variety and unique brands, etc. Minneapolis dedicated liquor stores are awesome.

However liquor stores should be able to open anywhere.

*In an aisle in the main store, not an attached but separate enclosed liquor store like some in Minnesota.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not state run stores. My provincial government has a near-monopoly on retail sales of liquor and cannabis. I don't have any experience with the cannabis stores, but our liquor stores suck compared to the States and the parts of Canada that let the private market sell booze.

Prices are high, selection is poor, and it's near impossible to get craft beer from outside my region.

it was actually an article on possible law changes in Ontario that spawned the idea for these threads.  It's crazy how conservative some "left" leaning places (and people) are with certain issues.

LMAO, the current provincial government of Ontario is very VERY far from "left".

[DC Al Fine]

Not state run stores. My provincial government has a near-monopoly on retail sales of liquor and cannabis. I don't have any experience with the cannabis stores, but our liquor stores suck compared to the States and the parts of Canada that let the private market sell booze.

Prices are high, selection is poor, and it's near impossible to get craft beer from outside my region.

it was actually an article on possible law changes in Ontario that spawned the idea for these threads.  It's crazy how conservative some "left" leaning places (and people) are with certain issues.

LMAO, the current provincial government of Ontario is very VERY far from "left".

Yes and that government is liberalizing the laws

Sometime in the 1980's it flipped. Liquor restrictions are more of a Liberal-NDP thing now.

[Sirius_]

Any place, every day of the week.

Pretty much this (omg I agree with Yellowhammer), as long as they ID properly. I don't get the need to forcibly separate certain products, and alcohol on Sunday laws need to die in a fire.

[DavidB.]

Any place zoned to sell things, including gas stations, grocery stores, and alcohol specific stores.

[HarrisonL]

Tfw two people support prohibition of alcohol sales in 2019.

[RINO Tom]

Option 1

[brucejoel99]

Any place, every day of the week.

Pretty much this (omg I agree with Yellowhammer), as long as they ID properly. I don't get the need to forcibly separate certain products, and alcohol on Sunday laws need to die in a fire.

[RINO Tom]

On a slight aside, it's kind of funny how the only people who constantly trash alcohol are either puritan weirdos (who need to re-read the Bible) and loser stoners who think pointing out how *terrible* alcohol is will somehow endear people to the idea of legalizing weed (who need to realize who their potential allies are and not plss them off).  Strange bedfellows, indeed!

The simple fact is alcohol is a part of Western culture and likely always will be.  Leave it that way.

[darklordoftech]

loser stoners who think pointing out how *terrible* alcohol is will somehow endear people to the idea of legalizing weed (who need to realize who their potential allies are and not plss them off).  Strange bedfellows, indeed!

The simple fact is alcohol is a part of Western culture and likely always will be.  Leave it that way.

I'll never understand why vice-defenders always say "what about that other vice" instead of joining forces.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Any place zoned to sell things, including gas stations, grocery stores, and alcohol specific stores.