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« on: April 21, 2019, 12:44:14 am »
« edited: April 21, 2019, 01:28:24 pm by Prolocutor Bagel23 »

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/blasts-at-two-sri-lanka-churches-during-easter-mass-news-agency-afp-2026233

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/sri-lanka-colombo-blasts-1506589-2019-04-21

https://www.dawn.com/news/1477527/death-toll-from-easter-sunday-blasts-in-sri-lanka-rises-to-207-450-injured

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/21/asia/sri-lanka-explosions/index.html

Very awful, especially on Easter Sunday, early story, not a lot of info available yet, most likely a highly coordinated attack though. Shame on whoever did this, hopefully they are nabbed fast. Let's all wish that the numbers of those who are hurt or dead do not climb.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2019, 04:53:44 am »

138 dead and climbing.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-21/sri-lanka-church-hotel-bombed-explosions-colombo/11034476

"More than 50 people were killed in St Sebastian's gothic-style Catholic church in Katuwapitiya"
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2019, 06:29:16 am »

But, but ... white extremist terrorism ... Roll Eyes

Once again it is made clear what the real elephant in the room is: Muslim extremist terrorism !
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2019, 06:38:01 am »

But, but ... white extremist terrorism ... Roll Eyes

Once again it is made clear what the real elephant in the room is: Muslim extremist terrorism !
I thought these were dirty commies?....<looks it up>....oh.....well, yeah, I guess that it does seem to be Muslims.  That would explain why the press isn't talking too much about the attackers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2019, 06:48:20 am »

But, but ... white extremist terrorism ... Roll Eyes

Once again it is made clear what the real elephant in the room is: Muslim extremist terrorism !

In this Case it might actually be buddhist terrorism. I doubt it, because some of the targets were western tourists, but in Sri Lanka the Main group targeting the christian minorities has been the buddhist majority and not the muslim minority.

Extremely unlikely.

I have never heard about Buddhist or Hindu suicide bombers targeting Christians and tourists in Sri Lanka ...

If this is the case though, I will correct my original posting though.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2019, 06:50:07 am »

It seems that at least 7 suspects have been arrested. According to Sri Lanka government, the attacks were carried out by one group.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2019, 06:59:00 am »

But, but ... white extremist terrorism ... Roll Eyes

Once again it is made clear what the real elephant in the room is: Muslim extremist terrorism !

In this Case it might actually be buddhist terrorism. I doubt it, because some of the targets were western tourists, but in Sri Lanka the Main group targeting the christian minorities has been the buddhist majority and not the muslim minority.

Extremely unlikely.

I have never heard about Buddhist or Hindu suicide bombers targeting Christians and tourists in Sri Lanka ...

If this is the case though, I will correct my original posting though.

Well, apparently you were right. German state media reports that police were already warned that Islamists were going to target Churches and the Indian Embassy (https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/sri-lanka-193.html)
I have therefore deleted my post.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2019, 07:30:50 am »

Dutch news says National Thowheeth Jamaíath (NTJ), an extremist Islamist group has been identified as the perpetrators.

https://tpo.nl/2019/04/21/radicale-moslims-national-thowheeth-jamaath-verantwoordelijk-voor-aanslagen-sri-lanka

Meanwhile, 200-250 people are dead already (4-5x the amount of the NZ attack).

Among them many Dutch and British tourists.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2019, 07:44:21 am »
« Edited: April 21, 2019, 08:05:11 am by True Federalist »

Buddhists have in the recent past targeted non-Buddhists in Sri Lanka, albeit previously Muslims were their primary target, so until we have actual knowledge of who did it, assuming that a Muslim group definitely did it is premature. Moreover, given the nature of Sri Lankan politics, I think it is safe to assume that as soon as any evidence that a non-local group was responsible becomes known to the authorities, it will be released, and so far the only thing I see allocating responsibility are European websites based on ten-day old rumors. I'll wait until there are actual facts instead of rumors to allocate blame for these attacks.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2019, 01:27:29 pm »

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2019, 01:42:13 pm »

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2019, 02:06:04 pm »



I have bad feelings about this thread.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2019, 02:11:48 pm »


Indeed, it reeks of Islamophobia.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2019, 02:27:11 pm »
« Edited: April 21, 2019, 02:31:19 pm by PSOL »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2019, 02:33:49 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2019, 06:44:48 pm »

Yeah, Muslims are the real victims here.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2019, 06:56:16 pm »


I mean, when you have people in this thread literally trying to blame Bagel for the attacks, does that not signal that there's a bit of an overreaction going on?
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2019, 07:03:07 pm »

I mean, when you have people in this thread literally trying to blame Bagel for the attacks, does that not signal that there's a bit of an overreaction going on?
I must have missed that.  Were things removed?
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2019, 07:11:02 pm »

I mean, when you have people in this thread literally trying to blame Bagel for the attacks, does that not signal that there's a bit of an overreaction going on?
I must have missed that.  Were things removed?

Eh, Bagel's initial post essentially boils down to "not all of us should be blamed for this", and Sanchez' reply to "yes you should".
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2019, 07:14:50 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2019, 07:48:04 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2019, 08:11:48 pm »

I didnít blame Bagel for nothing, I just attacked his dismissive attitude with a literal Ilhan Omar quote.

Maybe I should have posted: ITíS NOT ABOUT YOU.
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2019, 08:13:07 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.

It's not just immigrant children, people of Arab descent, or even people who were Muslim before radicalization though.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2019, 08:14:46 pm »

I didnít blame Bagel for nothing, I just attacked his dismissive attitude with a literal Ilhan Omar quote.

Maybe I should have posted: ITíS NOT ABOUT YOU.

Yeah, on a second read, my initial assumption doesn't really make sense. I still think you're being unnecessarily harsh on the guy, but I'll retract my previous statements on this.
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2019, 08:22:00 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

It does, though.

In Vero Beach, FL, a hotbed of MAGA country on Floridaís east coast, there was a mosque that produced two separate terrorists. One killed himself in Syria in a suicide attack against pro-regime forces. He was the son of Palestinians. Likewise, Omar Mateen - who of course slaughtered fifty people in a bar the very night after my best friend was there, was the son of an Afghan refuge who previously ran for President of Afghanistan on a pro Taliban platform. Both came out of the same mosque. Thereís way more to this then just a few really well put together ISIS videos on Twitter.

Youíre right that Afghanistan and Pakistan are not ďArabĒ ethnically, but the same culture pervades the region in a way that isnít true of, say, Malaysian or Indonesian Muslims....though recent events in Brunei have me revisiting the regionís culture and geopolitical realities, so who knows?
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