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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2019, 09:00:44 pm »

Only thing I was attempting to dismiss is any notion that this is the fault of Islam at large. I apologize if it was taken another way.
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2019, 09:26:49 pm »
« Edited: April 21, 2019, 09:30:32 pm by PSOL »

Sickening what’s happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lanka’s response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of “our Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in Colombo”. “We mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,” the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but it’s their own acts.
It’s just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As I’ve said before, it isn’t Islam which is the problem. After all we don’t see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as it’s practiced by Arabs in particular.

I’m sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

It does, though.

In Vero Beach, FL, a hotbed of MAGA country on Florida’s east coast, there was a mosque that produced two separate terrorists. One killed himself in Syria in a suicide attack against pro-regime forces. He was the son of Palestinians. Likewise, Omar Mateen - who of course slaughtered fifty people in a bar the very night after my best friend was there, was the son of an Afghan refuge who previously ran for President of Afghanistan on a pro Taliban platform. Both came out of the same mosque. There’s way more to this then just a few really well put together ISIS videos on Twitter.

You’re right that Afghanistan and Pakistan are not “Arab” ethnically, but the same culture pervades the region in a way that isn’t true of, say, Malaysian or Indonesian Muslims....though recent events in Brunei have me revisiting the region’s culture and geopolitical realities, so who knows?
Well that clears things

Also lol, Desi, Central Asian, and Arab people do not have the same culture. What they do have in common is living in unstable and materially poor countries. Due to that, the hucksters start saying the book has answers, and then an emergency society is formed for some false resemblance of harmony.
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2019, 10:39:06 pm »
« Edited: April 21, 2019, 10:50:24 pm by Hugo Award nominee »

The problem isn't Islam as a whole and the problem isn't specific mostly-Muslim ethnic groups. The problem is a concerted long-game ideological project within Islam to make the religion more extreme, more driven by fear of the Other in general and the developed democracies in particular, and more at odds politically and culturally with the non-Islamic world.

We'd probably be seeing a problem with worldwide Catholic terror if the currents that produce the people who make "Deus Vult" memes on r/catholicism had also produced the last few Popes. The fact that we don't is because that's not the case rather than because there's something intrinsically more irenic about Catholicism. Same with people like Wirathu and the worldwide Buddhist sangha.

The Wahhabist/Salafi ideology and its strengthening worldwide tendrils do deserve much more scrutiny than most Western "my Reagancatholic Boomer uncle hates Muslims so Islam must actually be a Woke Religion" progressives are willing to give them.
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2019, 11:20:03 pm »

Unfortunately CNN is now reporting that the death toll has leaped up to just shy of 300.
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2019, 05:25:53 am »

The only previous terrorist attacks in Ceylon were carried out by the Tamil Tigers.

But i was reluctant to list them initially until i found out the facts.

Appears as though terrorist attacks are now par for the course around the world.
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« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2019, 05:37:52 am »

The Sri Lanka government has confirmed that these attacks are the work of Muslim terrorists (the NTJ, which I already mentioned):

https://orf.at/stories/3119627
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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2019, 05:45:06 am »

Sri Lankan officials have indicated they believe a local jihadist group with foreign support was responsible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48012085

The most prominent victims appear to be three of the four children of a Danish clothing magnate.
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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2019, 07:23:44 am »

I mean, when you have people in this thread literally trying to blame Bagel for the attacks, does that not signal that there's a bit of an overreaction going on?
I must have missed that.  Were things removed?

Eh, Bagel's initial post essentially boils down to "not all of us should be blamed for this", and Sanchez' reply to "yes you should".
the "it was just someone that did something" line?  Did they have a "thing" in that thread* that lead to that line meaning more than it would without the backstory?  To me it read as mocking anyone who would use that as an excuse for racism, that's a far cry from "literally trying to blame Bagel for the attacks".


*I lost interest pretty quick in that story (that lady is clearly at least a little racist, or maybe, at best, prone to repeating the same things racists say).
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2019, 09:00:42 am »

Sri Lanka imposes state of emergency
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Sri Lanka said on Monday it was invoking emergency powers in the aftermath of devastating bomb attacks on hotels and churches, blamed on militants with foreign links, in which 290 people were killed and nearly 500 wounded.

The emergency law, which gives police and the military extensive powers to detain and interrogate suspects without court orders, will go into effect at midnight on Monday, the presidentís office said.

Colombo, the seaside capital of the Indian Ocean island, was jittery on Monday. Police said 87 bomb detonators were found at the cityís main bus station, while an explosive went off near a church where scores were killed on Sunday when bomb squad officials were trying to defuse it.

A night curfew will go into effect at 8 p.m., the government announced.

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2019, 08:05:38 am »

Word is going around that the motive might have been a retaliation for New Zealand

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716266428/sri-lankan-official-says-bombings-are-retaliation-for-new-zealand-massacre
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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2019, 01:40:52 pm »
« Edited: April 23, 2019, 01:47:48 pm by urutzizu »

It is becoming ever clearer that the Sri Lankan Authorities knew that the attacks were going to happen... but did not do anything.
Sri Lankan police were warned repeatedly by Indian Intelligence services on the 4th and 20th of April before the attacks, including about the responsible organisation and its ringleaders.

Apparently however Sri Lankan Authorities did not pass the Information to the Government, possibly due to factionalism and political conflicts within the military/police itself and due to a lack of coordination and a power struggle between the President Sirisena and the Cabinet led by the Prime Minister Wickremesinghe (the former tried to fire the latter a couple of months ago).


And because of that 320+ people had to lose their lives, all of this entirely preventable.....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/23/pressure-builds-on-sri-lankan-officials-as-isis-claims-easter-attacks
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/23/asia/sri-lanka-investigation-ntj-intl/index.html
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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2019, 07:51:29 pm »
« Edited: April 23, 2019, 07:55:01 pm by Prolocutor Bagel23 »

Isis has claimed responsibility, this is a reminder that they are still an active threat to any civilized peoples, and just because they no longer have turf does not mean they have been defeated or reduced to negligible threat levels, Trump you fool.

F$ck you daesh, the NZ mosque shooter had nothing to do with Sri Lankan churchgoers, just like you will never belong to Islam. You animals can claim no high ground either, you have bombed more mosques and killed more muslims by the scores than the nearest white nationalist.
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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2019, 09:20:59 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.

Well, no offense to them, but, if they're so alienated, then why don't they go back to where they came from?

European countries are nation-states that aren't designed for immigrants who aren't willing to assimilate into the native culture. It's not a melting pot. It's, "if you want to live in France, live as a Frenchman."
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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2019, 10:14:42 pm »

Isis has claimed responsibility,

ISIL claims responsibility for every crime that seems to be Islamist-related, regardless of whether they had anything to do with it or not. Focusing on organizations instead of ideology and the circumstances that lead to radicalization is a mistake we need to stop making. ISIL is not the disease, but the symptom.
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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2019, 10:49:09 pm »
« Edited: April 23, 2019, 10:53:10 pm by PSOL »

Sickening what’s happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lanka’s response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of “our Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in Colombo”. “We mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,” the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but it’s their own acts.
It’s just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As I’ve said before, it isn’t Islam which is the problem. After all we don’t see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as it’s practiced by Arabs in particular.

I’m sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.

Well, no offense to them, but, if they're so alienated, then why don't they go back to where they came from?

European countries are nation-states that aren't designed for immigrants who aren't willing to assimilate into the native culture. It's not a melting pot. It's, "if you want to live in France, live as a Frenchman."
They weren’t expecting neither statist looters to be in power so long in the homeland, nor team USA or any other external looter to set fire to the remains.

On the second point, the very fact of the matter is that for these materially poor migrants, religion and old cultural norms ties communities together from complete implosion. Its their social gathering, their job search destination, and a place where they are accepted for themselves. It’s not like the French government gives a damn about how far these banlieus deteriorate after all.

I don’t care about whatever being a Frenchman entails, the very fact of the matter is that having a hard approach to all this is doomed for failure for anyone involved. The solution is to not have this crisis at all by not participating in exploitation of the global south, then by giving a helping hand to build ties and connections across the nation.

For more accepting nations, the problem lies less severe, but is still straining if there is no experience in taking quick influxes of new people (e.g. Sweden).
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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2019, 12:14:43 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.

Well, no offense to them, but, if they're so alienated, then why don't they go back to where they came from?

European countries are nation-states that aren't designed for immigrants who aren't willing to assimilate into the native culture. It's not a melting pot. It's, "if you want to live in France, live as a Frenchman."
They werenít expecting neither statist looters to be in power so long in the homeland, nor team USA or any other external looter to set fire to the remains.

All of which, I'm sure, is the fault of the Sri Lankan Christian community. It's good to finally know who pulls the strings.
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2019, 12:29:44 pm »

Sickening whatís happened here. I hope that Sri Lankan authorities can catch the perpetrators immediately. So far, Sri Lanka has made a good choice pulling the plug on social media for the facts to come through.

Also, the Muslim Council of Sri Lankaís response:
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The Muslim council of Sri Lanka issued a statement condemning the attack on the places of worship of ďour Christian brothers and sisters on their holy day of Easter, as well as on the hotels in ColomboĒ. ďWe mourn the loss of innocent lives due to extremist and violent elements who wish to create divides between religious and ethnic groups to realise their agenda,Ē the statement said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-expected-rise-leaders-condemn-killings

If the attackers were homegrown, I have no doubt they came from a Wahhabi/Salafi Mosque funded by Gulfie donors. Sri Lanka sadly still has vast inter-communal, ethnoreligious tensions suitable for the spread of that horrible sect. In that case, shut down the financial streams from the Gulf once and for all.

It probably was a radical Islamist group, but itís their own acts.
Itís just someone who did something Roll Eyes
From my friend who lives there, she said that historically the Muslim population has been very secular. Recent times have changed this with all the gulfie donors, but still, this is the first attack of its kind.
The suspects are believed to be foreigners. As Iíve said before, it isnít Islam which is the problem. After all we donít see many Indonesian Muslim immigrants launching car/knife attacks in Europe or Manhattan. The problem is Islam as itís practiced by Arabs in particular.

Iím sure the suspects will be Pakistani/Afghan in origin.

Pakistanis and Afghans are generally...not Arabs?

Also, while I do see your theory here, it doesn't really apply to those in western countries radicalized remotely (often through the internet). That, of course, is an entirely different beast and can seemingly strike the same people as any other cultish fringe group.

The terror attacks in the west by X+1 immigrants are due to alienation and ongoing, one-sided hostility being everywhere. That is enough to drive a lot of people insane. The general rule is that alienation from society at large, rigidness in thought, and a decreasing returns of gains in the global economy spells a worldwide disaster that just feeds into itself.

Want to stop instability, ensure people are letting themselves live equally in a society that permeates and solves problems effectively.

Well, no offense to them, but, if they're so alienated, then why don't they go back to where they came from?

European countries are nation-states that aren't designed for immigrants who aren't willing to assimilate into the native culture. It's not a melting pot. It's, "if you want to live in France, live as a Frenchman."
They werenít expecting neither statist looters to be in power so long in the homeland, nor team USA or any other external looter to set fire to the remains.

All of which, I'm sure, is the fault of the Sri Lankan Christian community. It's good to finally know who pulls the strings.
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We were shifting discussion on European terror attacks.

To answer your attempt at trolling, this is probably due to the President of Sri Lanka not having his stuff in order after an attempted removal of the PM, as stated previously.
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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2019, 01:36:36 pm »

To answer your attempt at trolling, this is probably due to the President of Sri Lanka not having his stuff in order after an attempted removal of the PM, as stated previously.

So your line is that this attack happened because the government failed to prevent it, yet I'm the troll?
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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2019, 04:36:14 pm »

To answer your attempt at trolling, this is probably due to the President of Sri Lanka not having his stuff in order after an attempted removal of the PM, as stated previously.

So your line is that this attack happened because the government failed to prevent it, yet I'm the troll?
I thought you were making a snarky comment, looking back I think I was mistaken. I hereby apologize and recant my statement.

Either way, there is information on the attackers. They are apparently a wealthy duo of brothers.
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Two brothers who lived at the white house on Mahawela Gardens have emerged as key players in suicide attacks on Easter Sunday that killed more than 350 people and stunned an island state that had enjoyed a decade of relative peace.

The Islamic State militant group claimed responsibility for the coordinated attacks on three churches and four hotels.

Inshaf Ibrahim, a 33-year-old copper factory owner, detonated his explosive device at the busy breakfast buffet of the luxury Shangri-La hotel, a source close to the family said.

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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2019, 04:36:33 pm »

I hear that a bunch of people, a lot of people actually, were murdered in real life. But obviously #thediscourse is more important. I don't see what half of the things being discussed here have to do with this massacre in Sri Lanka, which, by the way, is a real place.
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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2019, 04:40:43 pm »

The problem isn't Islam as a whole and the problem isn't specific mostly-Muslim ethnic groups. The problem is a concerted long-game ideological project within Islam to make the religion more extreme, more driven by fear of the Other in general and the developed democracies in particular, and more at odds politically and culturally with the non-Islamic world.

Quite so. Islam and Islamism are not actually the same thing. It's actually quite surreal that there's a widespread failure to understand this point nearly twenty years after 9/11.
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