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« on: September 09, 2019, 06:03:17 pm »

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/9/20850936/gerrymandering-michigan-commission-republican-legal-argument

Truly the most bizarre argument on redistricting I've ever ever heard. Also weird they're pushing this since Whitmer will just veto their maps anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 06:24:15 pm »

Independent redistricting also causes autism.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 07:15:53 pm »

Independent redistricting also causes chemtrails.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2019, 05:17:03 am »

this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 08:49:19 am »

this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI
An AI would probably do something like draw a map where all districts were closest in area size as possible or something like that. Bad idea.

Computer assisted independent redistricting like in Iowa though is very useful.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2019, 08:50:27 am »

this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI

You want the Skynet handling redistricting? No thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2019, 08:53:01 am »

this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI
An AI would probably do something like draw a map where all districts were closest in area size as possible or something like that. Bad idea.
nah, I was imagining something that takes demographics into account.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2019, 09:29:54 am »

News at 11 the GOP tries to rig elections. They know that fair maps would ruin their chances in many legislatures.

Independent redistricting also causes autism.

I thought they cause the same cancer as windmills Huh
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 10:43:18 am »

Independent redistricting also causes autism.

I thought they cause the same cancer as windmills Huh

How about both?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 06:28:42 pm »

If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2019, 06:58:11 pm »

I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched:  if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 04:23:12 pm »

I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched:  if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party. 
Eh, if the law actually barred individuals from serving on the commission based purely on party registration, that would be a strong argument. As I understand it, Michiganís law just bars current candidates for office, party officials, and registered lobbyists from serving on the redistricting commission. Thats just basic separation of powers and avoidance of conflict of interest stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2019, 12:39:28 pm »

If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game.
Solution!

A Unicameral Senate of 101 members elected by proportional representation-list, like Israel. The list predominantly eliminates undue influence by regional concentration of population while fairly representing the whole country.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2019, 10:07:50 pm »

I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched:  if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party. 
Eh, if the law actually barred individuals from serving on the commission based purely on party registration, that would be a strong argument. As I understand it, Michiganís law just bars current candidates for office, party officials, and registered lobbyists from serving on the redistricting commission. Thats just basic separation of powers and avoidance of conflict of interest stuff.
It also bars parents, children, and spouses of those persons (siblings are OK unless you are married to them). It precludes precinct committeemen from serving.

Michigan does not have partisan registration. Voters select a party anonymously on the primary ballot.

It is entirely feasible for someone to declare they are Democrat, Republican, or neither, and have no way of checking. The commission will be chosen by lottery, with legislative leaders limited in their strikes.

Part of the claim of the lawsuit is due process, that the commission is supposed to be bipartisan, where Republicans are presumed to be pro-Republican and Democrats are presumed to be pro-Democratic, yet because Republican officials are excluded from the process there is no way to keep sleeper agents out of the commission.

Plus the criteria are backwards, with partisan "fairness" rating above compactness and integrity of legal subdivisions.

It is a political trainwreck that only the LWV could love.

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