Hotter, Badder, and Unpopularer Takes

[parochial boy]

I don't think it's a bad take actually. From a left perspective, it's absolutely right to criticise the idea that individuals should be taking on responsibility for things that society as a whole should be doing - and the idea of using "volunteering" as a replacement for the actual welfare state is deeply troubling, because it means putting all the decisions in the hands of self-proclaimed "philanthropists" doing what is fashionable rather than really necessary to ensure a safety net is in place for the people who really need one.

It's like a few year ago when the British Conservatives had their whole "Big Society" idea of voluntary organisations taking on the role of the state -and you just felt like "excuse me? wtf? You're going to fire a load of people and then ask everyone else to do their jobs for free?"

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I have no idea what compels people to feel that they have to "give back" to their communities. Community organizers, community service, community activism... none of it makes sense to me. I cannot fathom why anyone would want to be in contact with their neighbors any more than they absolutely have to. I assume that anyone who does these things is either a liar or has an ulterior motive. Either they enjoy having the illusion of power (in the case of certain community positions), or they are being forced to do it for legal reasons. Mostly I assume that they're status-seekers and want to give off the appearance of being kind and virtuous people. I have no patience for anyone who invests that much time in trying to impress others, so I have deep disdain for anyone who does community service for this reason.

This is why I find Andrew Yang so heartbreakingly naive. He's said multiple times that if people have more money and thereby more free time, they'll spend that time volunteering. Every time he makes that claim, I have to suppress my laughter. You're going to give me $12,000 a year, and you expect me to... what? Volunteer at a soup kitchen? Sorry, but whether you give me twelve thousand or twelve million dollars, I'm still going to be the same person I always was. My time is way more valuable to me than the opinions of other people. I don't care if you volunteered to clean up a highway or flew to Ecuador to build houses for impoverished hill people. It's all just virtue-signaling.

Is it weird to think that people would care about the places where they live?

[Virginiá]

Isn't actually taking action to help society the opposite of what most people mean by virtue signaling?

Also can't help but feel like there is a lot of projection there. Many people really do care about their communities / the world in general and devote themselves to fixing it. To say all of that is superficial and meaningless strikes me as profoundly cynical towards humanity, and in a way that casually waves away the millions of people who actually spend enormous amounts of time helping other people.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Isn't actually taking action to help society the opposite of what most people mean by virtue signaling?

Also can't help but feel like there is a lot of projection there. Many people really do care about their communities / the world in general and devote themselves to fixing it. To say all of that is superficial and meaningless strikes me as profoundly cynical towards humanity, and in a way that casually waves away the millions of people who actually spend enormous amounts of time helping other people.

I generally think flying across the world to a situation where you are making extremely marginal improvements is not worthwhile. Local community is extremely sensible.

[Virginiá]

I generally think flying across the world to a situation where you are making extremely marginal improvements is not worthwhile. Local community is extremely sensible.

Well, worthwhile can be subjective. Some people think of worthwhile in that context as how it helps a large amount of people and others would be content to just help one or two.

[John Dule]

Isn't actually taking action to help society the opposite of what most people mean by virtue signaling?

Yes, but I like the term and I think it should be applied more broadly, to everything from volunteer work to church attendance. For example, I'd say that a lot of people on both sides of the abortion debate are virtue-signalers, simply because they're investing so much time and energy into something that barely even affects them.

Anyway, Parochial is right-- I'm also sick of these perseverance porn stories about a community coming together to pay for little Timmy's chemotherapy bills. Yay, let's celebrate the fact that people in this country can't afford health coverage! Everybody cheer for the race to the bottom!

[Boobs]

Isn't actually taking action to help society the opposite of what most people mean by virtue signaling?

Yes, but I like the term and I think it should be applied more broadly, to everything from volunteer work to church attendance. For example, I'd say that a lot of people on both sides of the abortion debate are virtue-signalers, simply because they're investing so much time and energy into something that barely even affects them.

so, um, literally "anything I don't like is virtue signaling"

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

John Dule’s, uh, thing is a major reason I turned against libertarianism.

[HisGrace]

George Harrison is one of the least deserving artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

He's in because of his image and the fact that he was in the same band as John Lennon and Paul McCartney, not because of his music as a solo artist. (A similar statement is true for Stevie Nicks, but saying that about her isn't a hot, bad, or unpopular take)

All Things Must Pass is by far the best Beatles solo album and the only one can stand next to the classic Beatles albums. John always had like 3 or 4 great songs and then filler and solo Paul can eff off.

But the whole concept of a rock and roll hall of fame is against the ethos of rock music so who cares

[John Dule]

John Dule’s, uh, thing is a major reason I turned against libertarianism.

Fair enough. It's a major reason I turned towards it.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

John Dule’s, uh, thing is a major reason I turned against libertarianism.

Fair enough. It's a major reason I turned towards it.

If people can't count on action from their neighbors to help tackle problems in their community, that creates a bigger role for the state.

[Grassroots]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

[RINO Tom]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

[Grassroots]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

[Goldwater]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

Trump is what's stopping that? WTF I love Trump now

[Grassroots]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

Trump is what's stopping that? WTF I love Trump now

Yes. He’s a shill of the establishment and foreign powers.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

Trump is what's stopping that? WTF I love Trump now

Yes. He’s a shill of the establishment and foreign powers.

It’s all surface-deep with you types, isn’t it?

[Badger]

Now that I think about it, maybe Styx is less deserving than Harrison, but only maybe. Styx had a bigger impact than him, (by which I mean Styx had more hits and sold more records) but Harrison's image is more significant than Styx's entire career.

Still think Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, Blink-182, Dave Matthews Band and Weezer deserve it more than him. (Anyone else willing to bat for these guys?)

Compared to sole his solo work outside the Beatles? I think Motley Crue has far more of a pedigree and impact on rock and roll band Harrison ever did. I'm not saying he isn't a more thoughtful and fundamentally brilliant musician then those four, but in terms of rock and roll and cultural impact, Harrison's influences of course overwhelmingly through the Beatles

[morgankingsley]

Since we're talking about bands, I'm not much of a Iron Maiden fan to be honest.

[Grassroots]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

Trump is what's stopping that? WTF I love Trump now

Yes. He’s a shill of the establishment and foreign powers.

It’s all surface-deep with you types, isn’t it?

Explain?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Since we're talking about bands, I'm not much of a Iron Maiden fan to be honest.

Not a bad opinion at all. They suck.

[morgankingsley]

Since we're talking about bands, I'm not much of a Iron Maiden fan to be honest.

Not a bad opinion at all. They suck.

I tried to get into them, but I just could never do it.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Now that I think about it, maybe Styx is less deserving than Harrison, but only maybe. Styx had a bigger impact than him, (by which I mean Styx had more hits and sold more records) but Harrison's image is more significant than Styx's entire career.

Still think Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, Blink-182, Dave Matthews Band and Weezer deserve it more than him. (Anyone else willing to bat for these guys?)

Compared to sole his solo work outside the Beatles? I think Motley Crue has far more of a pedigree and impact on rock and roll band Harrison ever did. I'm not saying he isn't a more thoughtful and fundamentally brilliant musician then those four, but in terms of rock and roll and cultural impact, Harrison's influences of course overwhelmingly through the Beatles

As for the others?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The Republican Party should stop trying to mimic previous moderation, and should try to mimic European style populism.

Maybe they “should.”  Hope to God they don’t (continue to get worse).

You mean better? Because without Trump, we can finally, freely go full right wing populism.

Trump is what's stopping that? WTF I love Trump now

Yes. He’s a shill of the establishment and foreign powers.

It’s all surface-deep with you types, isn’t it?

Explain?

For me, it’s the politics by buzzword.

“We’re going to defeat those NEOLIBERAL GLOBALIST ESTABLISHMENT SHILLS and the FOREIGN POWERS with our FULL-ON RIGHT-WING POPULISM. Not to mention the weird buzzword-as-goal style of politics. Reminiscent of the more extreme ideologies (whose word-choice is always toxic and vocabulary-laden): “without [X] we can finally have full-on communism populism.”

[RINO Tom]

^ Amazing how wrong I got you ideologically a few years ago, lol.