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« Reply #350 on: September 16, 2019, 12:53:55 am »

Youíre the guy that thinks McGrath can win right, because McConnell stiffed a bunch of coal miners. I guess weíll see who ends up right about this one in a year

Nah, the #1 thing I think is that you're an idiot who's evading the question. What happened between 2008 and 2016 that turned a bunch of people who were fine with voting for Barack Obama into these reactionaries that you think they are?

You conveniently left out the violent swing from Kerry to McCain in a lot of these places despite a cratered economy, two wars, and tons of Republican vorruption
Not relevant. What happened between 2008 and 2016?

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« Reply #351 on: September 16, 2019, 06:26:20 am »

Youíre the guy that thinks McGrath can win right, because McConnell stiffed a bunch of coal miners. I guess weíll see who ends up right about this one in a year

Nah, the #1 thing I think is that you're an idiot who's evading the question. What happened between 2008 and 2016 that turned a bunch of people who were fine with voting for Barack Obama into these reactionaries that you think they are?

You conveniently left out the violent swing from Kerry to McCain in a lot of these places despite a cratered economy, two wars, and tons of Republican vorruption
Not relevant. What happened between 2008 and 2016?

A black man was President. Duh. Iím sure all these places will stop swinging Republican next year though after the coal industry has all but died out under Trump.

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« Reply #352 on: September 16, 2019, 08:01:48 am »

Not relevant. What happened between 2008 and 2016?

A black man was President. Duh. Iím sure all these places will stop swinging Republican next year though after the coal industry has all but died out under Trump.

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You think they found out he was black after they voted for him? Walked into the polling booth, saw "Barack Hussein Obama," thought "huh, sounds like a Slovak or something," saw him on TV later and realized he's black? Because right now you're arguing that the very fact of Obama being president made people who voted for Obama get more racist.
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« Reply #353 on: September 16, 2019, 08:30:40 am »

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« Reply #354 on: September 16, 2019, 08:46:13 am »

Not relevant. What happened between 2008 and 2016?

A black man was President. Duh. Iím sure all these places will stop swinging Republican next year though after the coal industry has all but died out under Trump.

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You think they found out he was black after they voted for him? Walked into the polling booth, saw "Barack Hussein Obama," thought "huh, sounds like a Slovak or something," saw him on TV later and realized he's black? Because right now you're arguing that the very fact of Obama being president made people who voted for Obama get more racist.

Yes. And frankly I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who thinks Mitch McConnell has a decent chance of losing to a Democrat
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« Reply #355 on: September 16, 2019, 08:48:44 am »

You think they found out he was black after they voted for him? Walked into the polling booth, saw "Barack Hussein Obama," thought "huh, sounds like a Slovak or something," saw him on TV later and realized he's black? Because right now you're arguing that the very fact of Obama being president made people who voted for Obama get more racist.

Yes. And frankly I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who thinks Mitch McConnell has a decent chance of losing to a Democrat

lmfao massive IQ on this dude
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« Reply #356 on: September 16, 2019, 09:08:05 am »

I would vote for Beshear, but it's KY so Bevins going to win somehow.
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« Reply #357 on: September 16, 2019, 09:16:07 am »

It seems to me that TrendsareReal has bought the lie that all republican voters are racists. That isn't true. Now there is a racist contingent in the party, and it is growing, but not thanks to the Greater Appalachian "V" (SWPA, WV, SE Ohio, parts of TN, KY, AR, Little Dixie in OK). Rather, it's growth comes from the increasing power of the continually racist deep South, and the new importance of the upper Midwest with it's legacy of informal discrimination. Those places voted against Obama, but voted in their moderate blue dogs locally or congressionally, because those democrats were supposedly different. But, shocker, they were not, and so conserva-dems got swept from power in all levels of government in 2010.

But then, what is it? It isn't coal, like was stated coal provides few jobs and despite it's cultural significance, isn't a motivating economic mover. What's really moving these voters in the "V" is their perception of American culture and the Nation. One of the great historical ironies is that the most poor citizens of a nation are often the most fervent trusters of the nation. They are most likely to have served military time, place trust in the president as a unitary executive, and support all actions of the state even if they are failing like Iraq. When you are born in poverty and have little chance of escaping poverty, you psychologically are more likely to place trust in the national myths and the roads to advancement supposedly open if you just trust. There is a reason why the region has the highest rates of people professing an American nationality and tradition rather than Irish-American or Italian-American or something else.

I suggest you read some Liah Greenfeld, or Broke and Patriotic: Why poor Americans love their country (researched before 2016, not after like other nationalitic works).
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« Reply #358 on: September 16, 2019, 10:06:57 am »
« Edited: September 16, 2019, 10:11:25 am by TrendsareReal »

I actually donít think all Republicans are racist. I have plenty of Republican friends and family, and think no less of them because they vote and support Trump. I am merely making the observation that the only thing substantial that changed from the mid 2000ís to 2016 was a black president with a funny name that caused a lot of formerly Democratic-voting people to throw their hands up in anguish in a lot of these rural counties. Barack Obama in 2008 wasnít noticeably different from Bill Clinton in the 1990ís policy-wise in any substantive way. They definitely didnít switch from Kerry to McCain and Romney over economic issues, lol.

Thatís the last Iíll say about this, because clearly itís really controversial on here to even suggest racism played a big part in the rapid Republicanization of these rural areas
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« Reply #359 on: September 16, 2019, 10:12:30 am »



The FOP endorsing a Dem after BLM and republican hugging that 'blue' vote is a huge surprise.
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« Reply #360 on: September 16, 2019, 10:23:10 am »
« Edited: September 16, 2019, 10:27:23 am by Oryxslayer »

I actually donít think all Republicans are racist. I have plenty of Republican friends and family, and think no less of them because they vote and support Trump. I am merely making the observation that the only thing substantial that changed from the mid 2000ís to 2016 was a black president with a funny name that caused a lot of formerly Democratic-voting people to throw their hands up in anguish in a lot of these rural counties. Barack Obama in 2008 wasnít noticeably different from Bill Clinton in the 1990ís policy-wise in any substantive way. They definitely didnít switch from Kerry to McCain and Romney over economic issues, lol.

Thatís the last Iíll say about this, because clearly itís really controversial on here to even suggest racism played a big part in the rapid Republicanization of these rural areas

There was another thing that occurred during that period: the Great Recession. These voters did not lose their jobs because they are already at the lowest rank on the fiscal ladder, and they are not afraid of losing them to mexicans because there are always more burger flippers or walmart stockers or army recruits. These types of voters were always republicans (unless they are a minority) since probably Reagan. What changed was that the recession lowered the entire nation a few financial pegs, and then it took a long slow time to craw back up to where we are before. But like the experts always say, the recovery was unequal. Greater Appalachia never recovered. So now, it is likely that a majority , rather then a minority or plurality, of states like West Virginia and Kentucky are National voters. They lost their routes upwards that would normally be open via the American Economy, so they place their trust in the nation. Hope and dignity are powerful motivators, and if you lose them, suicide or escapism become the only options - ever wonder why opiods are so prevalent in the region? Those are the only options left in the region, place trust and get your dignity from the nation, or escape into depression. Both routes point right towards the republican party. Seriously, read Greenfeld, she talks all about this even the suicide part. That part isn't even unusual, the UK created the first insane asylums in the 19th century for the same type of people.
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« Reply #361 on: September 16, 2019, 10:29:10 am »

Weíre literally talking in circles now, but how do you explain the swing to the Republicans in 2008 of all years then? The economy nearly crashed then yet they rewarded the Republican Party with record levels of support (at that point in time) in Appalachia and much of the rural white south
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« Reply #362 on: September 16, 2019, 10:38:22 am »

Weíre literally talking in circles now, but how do you explain the swing to the Republicans in 2008 of all years then? The economy nearly crashed then yet they rewarded the Republican Party with record levels of support (at that point in time) in Appalachia and much of the rural white south

Which is in line with the transition from economic dignity to national dignity in the V, and the GOP courts that national dignity group. The dems have just become increasing committed to a different type of American nationalism than held by the V (theres like 6 main branches, no need to discuss this here), so its  not hard to see the vote keep sliding from their hands as the states keep falling further and further into blight. The region is different from those further to the south, where two different strains of Nationalism are present, both driven by the color of peoples skin.

But like you said I think everyone here is talking in circles by now, so after two pages and a new news event, its probably time to get back on topic.
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« Reply #363 on: September 16, 2019, 10:39:15 am »

Beshear is gonna win this and hopefully this the beginning of the end of McConnell. This race is a referendum on McConnell whose wife Chao, works for Trump
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« Reply #364 on: September 16, 2019, 10:39:41 am »
« Edited: September 17, 2019, 07:14:20 pm by Silurian »

Of course TrendsAreReal finds a way to derail a thread.
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« Reply #365 on: September 16, 2019, 10:39:48 am »

Not relevant. What happened between 2008 and 2016?

A black man was President. Duh. Iím sure all these places will stop swinging Republican next year though after the coal industry has all but died out under Trump.

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You think they found out he was black after they voted for him? Walked into the polling booth, saw "Barack Hussein Obama," thought "huh, sounds like a Slovak or something," saw him on TV later and realized he's black? Because right now you're arguing that the very fact of Obama being president made people who voted for Obama get more racist.

Yes. And frankly I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who thinks Mitch McConnell has a decent chance of losing to a Democrat
LOL ragequit more

Youíre just upset that your premise makes no sense. These regions swung hard against Hillary, not Obama. Thereís a better argument to be made they did it out of misogyny than racism.
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« Reply #366 on: September 16, 2019, 10:58:13 am »

Geez, this thread was pretty derailed.

To get back on topic, its good to see that Beshear is getting the endorsement of a usually Republican-aligned group, the KFOP.
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« Reply #367 on: September 16, 2019, 11:02:53 am »

2020, will not be a 2016 close election. GoP should be sweeping KY, LA and MS. GoP losing in KY is bad for them
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« Reply #368 on: September 16, 2019, 12:12:38 pm »

You think they found out he was black after they voted for him? Walked into the polling booth, saw "Barack Hussein Obama," thought "huh, sounds like a Slovak or something," saw him on TV later and realized he's black? Because right now you're arguing that the very fact of Obama being president made people who voted for Obama get more racist.

Yes. And frankly I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who thinks Mitch McConnell has a decent chance of losing to a Democrat

lmfao massive IQ on this dude

Someone who thinks Amy McGaffe has a chance in hell at beating Mitch McConnell should probably not be making any IQ judgments, lol.
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« Reply #369 on: September 16, 2019, 12:13:55 pm »

Not only do we not know how this race between Bevin and Beshear is going to end the race to be the Governor of Stupidville is a complete toss-up between these two: 

Beshear is gonna win this and hopefully this the beginning of the end of McConnell. This race is a referendum on McConnell whose wife Chao, works for Trump

A black man was President. Duh. Iím sure all these places will stop swinging Republican next year though after the coal industry has all but died out under Trump.

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« Reply #370 on: September 16, 2019, 12:16:24 pm »
« Edited: September 16, 2019, 12:20:43 pm by IceSpear »

It's very amusing that so many people here think Appalachia is not racist. Clearly anyone who thinks this has never actually been there. These people are the archetypal Kerry/McCain "swing voters":

https://youtu.be/IhporHhKbJA

But yeah, I'm sure they changed party allegiance because of Smiley pocketbook issues Smiley and Smiley kitchen table issues Smiley and Smiley environmental issues Smiley and Smiley socialism Smiley rather than racism!

The #populists Purple heart who fetishize rural whites need to get a grip and actually go down to Appalachia for a few minutes and talk to a few of the locals. Your delusions will very quickly become dispelled. I am not surprised that the people arguing against this hail from states such as Massachusetts, California, Oregon, and Illinois, lol.
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« Reply #371 on: September 16, 2019, 12:27:05 pm »
« Edited: September 16, 2019, 12:32:15 pm by IceSpear »

These regions swung hard against Hillary, not Obama.









This despite the fact that the incumbent Republican with a 25% approval rating was blamed for the economic crash that occured a month before the election, and the fact that Republicans nominated a Gordon Gekko clone who literally was on tape saying "I like being able to fire people", "corporations are people my friend", and bashing the "47% of people who are dependent on government", which includes countless racist Appalachian whites that supported McCain/Romney in droves after previously voting for liberal coastal elitist John Kerry. Go figure. 🤔
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« Reply #372 on: September 16, 2019, 12:31:04 pm »

FOP endorsed Beshear and Henry but all the other Republicans, interestingly.
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« Reply #373 on: September 16, 2019, 12:47:34 pm »

These regions swung hard against Hillary, not Obama.









This despite the fact that the incumbent Republican with a 25% approval rating was blamed for the economic crash that occured a month before the election, and the fact that Republicans nominated a Gordon Gekko clone who literally was on tape saying "I like being able to fire people", "corporations are people my friend", and bashing the "47% of people who are dependent on government", which includes countless racist Appalachian whites that supported McCain/Romney in droves after previously voting for liberal coastal elitist John Kerry. Go figure. 🤔



Obama literally said he would bankrupt the coal companies. By the way I know people who were Gore/Kerry/McCain/Romney voters and not a single one of them is racist
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« Reply #374 on: September 16, 2019, 12:53:19 pm »
« Edited: September 16, 2019, 01:07:22 pm by sjoyce »

IceSpear relying on the most trustworthy source of sociological information about the cultural patterns underlying voting patterns in Appalachia, the YouTube channel PrettyDrunkPeople.

Anyway, on topic — have to read the FOP endorsement as a good omen. Pretty clear in the downballot races (with the possible exception of AG? not sure where Stumbo is on policing) they're just trying to pick winners.
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