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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2019, 01:05:45 PM »

Oh yeeeees, UNCLE JOE!!

A fair number for Mayor Pete, while Kamala seems to have trouble gaining traction. If she doesn't will in South Carolina, I don't see a path to the nomination.

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2019, 01:06:54 PM »

Yeah, not a good poll for Sanders, but one poll doesn't mean his demise, especially an online poll.
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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2019, 01:13:18 PM »

Southern blacks tend to support establishment politicians with ties to the community

I'm well aware of black machine politics.

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and Biden is a perfect fit since he was Obama's VP.

No doubt Obama idolatry helps him.

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if Biden happened to be Jewish he would be getting just as much support as he is now.

Not a chance. Every mayoral election with a Jewish candidate vs a non-Jewish candidate has seen this anti-Semitic pattern. How can we argue with a straight face that South Carolina is better in this regard?
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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2019, 02:42:45 PM »

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Among African-American respondents — who are expected to make up the majority of voters in next year’s primary — 52% named Biden as their top choice, compared to 11 percent for Harris and 5 percent for Booker.

Wow, they love Uncle Joe!
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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2019, 02:50:05 PM »

Biden will be the nominee.  SC will do it.
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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2019, 02:53:49 PM »

Yeah, not a good poll for Sanders, but one poll doesn't mean his demise, especially an online poll.

It’s not just one poll, though...
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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2019, 02:57:59 PM »

Yeah, not a good poll for Sanders, but one poll doesn't mean his demise, especially an online poll.

It’s not just one poll, though...

Well, South Carolina was never in the game for Bernie. It's not he needs it. He must focus on Iowa and New Hampshire. If he loses both, he's done. If he wins both, he maintains a real chance. If he only wins New Hampshire, he can still get there, but still more likely than not.
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2019, 03:05:02 PM »

Yeah, not a good poll for Sanders, but one poll doesn't mean his demise, especially an online poll.

It’s not just one poll, though...

It's by far the least favorable poll for him in SC.
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2019, 03:19:38 PM »

SMH.
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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2019, 03:28:28 PM »

Kamala Harris seems to not have any appeal to poor people. So silly because she advocates policies that would help them, but they don't care about policy. They care about someone who's "relatable" and "likeable" like JOE BIDEN.   That's why I think Beto could get traction again. I think he's a flake and two faced but the average american voter(particularly younger ones of all races) would relate to him because he's "young" and "hip" and "cool". If Bernie loses IA/NH, Beto may be able to win all of his younger voters. The ones who are flipping from Bernie to Biden are probably old "working-class" whites
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2019, 03:33:21 PM »

Southern blacks tend to support establishment politicians with ties to the community

I'm well aware of black machine politics.

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and Biden is a perfect fit since he was Obama's VP.

No doubt Obama idolatry helps him.

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if Biden happened to be Jewish he would be getting just as much support as he is now.

Not a chance. Every mayoral election with a Jewish candidate vs a non-Jewish candidate has seen this anti-Semitic pattern. How can we argue with a straight face that South Carolina is better in this regard?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if blacks were more willing to support Jews outside of cities with large Jewish populations, since ethnic politics rivalry is less of an issue.   
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2019, 04:50:41 PM »


I was talking about the fact that he’s only doing as well as in 2016 or in many cases even underperforming his 2016 results in most primary states, not this SC poll.
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2019, 06:30:37 PM »

Kamala Harris seems to not have any appeal to poor people. So silly because she advocates policies that would help them, but they don't care about policy. They care about someone who's "relatable" and "likeable" like JOE BIDEN.   That's why I think Beto could get traction again. I think he's a flake and two faced but the average american voter(particularly younger ones of all races) would relate to him because he's "young" and "hip" and "cool". If Bernie loses IA/NH, Beto may be able to win all of his younger voters. The ones who are flipping from Bernie to Biden are probably old "working-class" whites


Ding ding ding! You got it! It turns out that Americans (of both parties, and all different ideologies) care more about myopic superficial aspects of candidates than they do about policy.
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2019, 07:20:37 PM »

Southern blacks have always been polled as having high anti-Semitic attitudes, so I'm not sure why this is supposed to be surprising.

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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2019, 08:58:50 PM »

Kamala Harris seems to not have any appeal to poor people. So silly because she advocates policies that would help them, but they don't care about policy. They care about someone who's "relatable" and "likeable" like JOE BIDEN.   That's why I think Beto could get traction again. I think he's a flake and two faced but the average american voter(particularly younger ones of all races) would relate to him because he's "young" and "hip" and "cool". If Bernie loses IA/NH, Beto may be able to win all of his younger voters. The ones who are flipping from Bernie to Biden are probably old "working-class" whites


Or maybe poor Democrats want a candidate who can win an election and don't care as much about Harris' skills as a culture war issue based fundraiser.
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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2019, 09:04:15 PM »

Unfortunately, Harris been tied to SF elites, and having Nancy Pelosi as Speaker as well as a female Democrat from SF, as Prez, is too much for Southern Dixiecrats, whom aren't very well receptive of SSM; eventhough, they agree on Harris on most other issues.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2019, 09:23:16 PM »

SC will be to Biden what GA was to Bill in 1992.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2019, 10:28:27 PM »

Southern blacks have always been polled as having high anti-Semitic attitudes, so I'm not sure why this is supposed to be surprising.

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Let's not kid ourselves. It's there. SC won't vote for a Jewish man in a primary.

Yes, black voters are famously devout Catholics too. That's why they strongly prefer a Catholic Irishman to multiple black candidates in addition to a Jewish candidate. Totally the reason, and not just that they like Joe and don't like Bernie!
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2019, 01:04:51 AM »

Yeah, not a good poll for Sanders, but one poll doesn't mean his demise, especially an online poll.

It’s not just one poll, though...

Well, South Carolina was never in the game for Bernie. It's not he needs it. He must focus on Iowa and New Hampshire. If he loses both, he's done. If he wins both, he maintains a real chance. If he only wins New Hampshire, he can still get there, but still more likely than not.

Agree.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2019, 01:09:40 AM »

Kamala Harris seems to not have any appeal to poor people. So silly because she advocates policies that would help them, but they don't care about policy. They care about someone who's "relatable" and "likeable" like JOE BIDEN.   That's why I think Beto could get traction again. I think he's a flake and two faced but the average american voter(particularly younger ones of all races) would relate to him because he's "young" and "hip" and "cool". If Bernie loses IA/NH, Beto may be able to win all of his younger voters. The ones who are flipping from Bernie to Biden are probably old "working-class" whites


Or maybe poor Democrats want a candidate who can win an election and don't care as much about Harris' skills as a culture war issue based fundraiser.

Poor voters don’t care about this dumb horserace “who’s more electable” stuff as much as media pundits and Atlas posters do. They like people they’re familiar with and can trust.
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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2019, 02:00:57 AM »

I don't know the pollster, but seems accurate. I admit Kamala Harris has not done as well as I expected. The reason many blacks are backing Biden over her is probably a combination of Obama nostalgia, Biden's perceived "electability" and her sometimes coming off as a "coastal SF elitist".

I doubt Sanders won't get into double digits, but SC is one of the states he can write off anyway.
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« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2019, 07:39:34 AM »

Southern blacks have always been polled as having high anti-Semitic attitudes, so I'm not sure why this is supposed to be surprising.

Delete your account.

Let's not kid ourselves. It's there. SC won't vote for a Jewish man in a primary.

Yes, black voters are famously devout Catholics too. That's why they strongly prefer a Catholic Irishman to multiple black candidates in addition to a Jewish candidate. Totally the reason, and not just that they like Joe and don't like Bernie!

I would suspect that Biden is seen as the strongest candidate and the most likely to beat Trump.

A lot of ethnic/racial/gender are being submerged by Democrats, as no one wants to be held responsible for nominating a candidate that is such a disaster that Trump gets re-elected.  Now I don't really believe that Biden is the Democrats' strongest candidate, but I believe that most Democrats think so.

I do believe that the nomination of Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, Sanders, and Hickenlooper would be unmitigated disasters for the Democratic Party; not quite at McGovern levels, but at levels where large numbers of Democrats would find those candidates too tough to take.  Some of the others wouldn't be disastrous, but are somewhat lackluster.  Biden has his vulnerabilities, but he probably looks really good to a Democratic Party that is bound and determined not to lose another election where their candidate gets almost 3 million votes than the Republican and they still lose.
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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2019, 03:23:09 PM »

Biden wins here because of his connection to Obama. I can't see any liberal Democrat beating him here, especially not Sanders or Warren
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