Nixon did well in NYC in 1960

[morgankingsley]

Actually in 72 he changed it back to California I think

[morgankingsley]

Not so distant from the national result?? Kennedy only won nationally by a fraction of a percentage point, 49.72 to 49.55. That means NYC was 13 points more Democratic than the rest of the nation that year. It was also a 12 point Democratic shift from 1956, when Stevenson won the city with only 51% of the vote. It was in fact the biggest Democratic win in NYC since FDR’s historic national landslide in 1936. And Nixon’s losses in 1968 (actually the margin was about the same in 1968, but Kennedy got a larger share of the vote than Humphrey) and 1972 were both closer than 1960, especially 1972 when he only lost by 3 points.

If you look at the whole chart, you’ll see that NYC has been more Democratic than the nation throughout most of its history. The only thing that has changed is HOW MUCH more Democratic it is. And that’s a result of both increased party polarization and a change in the parties themselves. There aren’t many liberal Republicans left anymore, and New York is a liberal city.

In fact, there is some debate on if Kennedy even won the popular vote, and that Nixon actually did

[morgankingsley]

Not so distant from the national result?? Kennedy only won nationally by a fraction of a percentage point, 49.72 to 49.55. That means NYC was 13 points more Democratic than the rest of the nation that year. It was also a 12 point Democratic shift from 1956, when Stevenson won the city with only 51% of the vote. It was in fact the biggest Democratic win in NYC since FDR’s historic national landslide in 1936. And Nixon’s losses in 1968 (actually the margin was about the same in 1968, but Kennedy got a larger share of the vote than Humphrey) and 1972 were both closer than 1960, especially 1972 when he only lost by 3 points.

If you look at the whole chart, you’ll see that NYC has been more Democratic than the nation throughout most of its history. The only thing that has changed is HOW MUCH more Democratic it is. And that’s a result of both increased party polarization and a change in the parties themselves. There aren’t many liberal Republicans left anymore, and New York is a liberal city.

In fact, there is some debate on if Kennedy even won the popular vote, and that Nixon actually did

That’s been largely debunked. It mostly comes down to “Well LBJ and Mayor Daley were kind of shady guys, right? And Texas and Illinois, their states, were close. Therefore it must have been rigged.” But there’s never been any real hard evidence that was the case.

One of the investigative reporters looking into claims of voter fraud in Illinois even found that there were cases of pro-Tricky Dick (a REALLY shady guy) voter fraud in Southern Illinois, even if there was also pro-JFK fraud in Chicago. And there’s never been any actual evidence of fraud in Texas, which would have been enough for JFK to win even without Illinois. Let alone enough to flip the state, which wasn’t nearly as close as Illinois.

Here’s a good article about the whole controversy:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/08/heres-a-voter-fraud-myth-richard-daley-stole-illinois-for-john-kennedy-in-the-1960-election/

You might say that you were only talking about the popular vote, so even if Nixon did lose the electoral college he might have won the popular vote. But he lost by over 100,000 votes, and the number of disputed votes is less than that.

I was talking about the Alabama voting delegates and how some split those up, not Illinois or Texas. I'm not saying it is true, I'm just saying there is debate

[morgankingsley]

1960 was one of the few (and one of the last) elections where both candidates did "well" just about everywhere. Relatively speaking.

Yeah, it was also the last election where a Democrat won at least one county in every state.

1996 I believe