Opinion of Matthew27?

[Fuzzy Bear]

That he's a Stormfronter (assuming this is true) means I'll not endorse him for anything or invite him to social events (if I knew who he was).

I must say that I have a tough time understanding how he's violated the ToS.  His real viewpoints may be repulsive, but has he violated the ToS? 

[Fuzzy Bear]

That he's a Stormfronter (assuming this is true) means I'll not endorse him for anything or invite him to social events (if I knew who he was).

I must say that I have a tough time understanding how he's violated the ToS.  His real viewpoints may be repulsive, but has he violated the ToS? 

I would think (and hope) that his blatantly racist comments would be a violation of the terms of service, but as I said earlier, I'm not super familiar with them.

Evil and massive HP.

Also, I think the mods and admin team should at least have a internal debate about his presence here, considering how websites like stormfront have had users that committed acts of terror in real life.

Both points here are well taken.  I'm a Free Speech Guy, but I do agree that there are Safety Issues that are very real if this forum becomes infiltrated by Stormfronters.  I'm certainly not endorsing Neo-Nazis, and if you've got 10K posts on Stormfront, that's a statement of yourself that you've made yourself without help.

That being said, has Matthew27 broken rules here, or harmed anyone here?  I'm sure he's offended many here, and I've seen some of his comments, so I can't blame folks for taking offense at some of his stuff.  But is this place less safe because he's allowed to post here?  

[Fuzzy Bear]

Anyone who posts on StormFront (let alone a five-figure post count) is beyond help.

Very succinctly put.

I have to say that I disagree. My ideological past isn't exactly secret on here. I used to post on Stormfront (although, certainly nowhere near 10,000 posts and only for a brief period of time), so I certainly don't believe that simply because someone posts on Stormfront then they're beyond redemption. There are even former Aryan Nation, KKK, and other assorted White Supremacists who were quite committed to their ideology, including tattoos, rituals, and demonstrations of violence, who've been redeemed.

Whether or not Matthew27 can be is an interesting question and, without knowing him better, is impossible for anyone to truly answer. So, while I'm not in favor of him being immediately banned, I do believe he should be closely monitored and subject to more rigorous scrutiny by the moderators than ordinary posters.

Best post here on the subject.  Complete with a reasonable solution.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Wait there's a literal white supremacist on Atlas? Wtf

It makes you wonder how many other posters we have who share the same views but are more secretive about them.

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Wait there's a literal white supremacist on Atlas? Wtf

It makes you wonder how many other posters we have who share the same views but are more secretive about them.

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

Shut up.

Putting white supremacy and whatever dumb sh**t you think constitutes as "hating America" on the same moral plane is vile even for you.

Sorry, but I won't shut up.  Indeed, telling me to shut up is a sign that I've successfully disrupted the Echo Chamber, and that I'm on the right track.

People act here as if, somehow, being "racist" (and some people have incredibly self-serving definitions as to what this is) is the only thing that makes you an HP.

Everyone people here don't like get compared to Hitler here.  (Well, not all, but quite a few.)  But we don't seem to compare someone to Stalin or Mao.  These people killed millions to, not in the name of racism, but in the name of politics and cultural conformity.  

In February, 1957, one month after I was born, Mao Zedong said this:

"Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land."

That when I was one (1) month old.  Later on, when I was 9, and just beginning to watch news on TV, I would see reports of Mao's Cultural Revolution, where Mao was imprisoning and killing his enemies.  That statement he made was a statement to lure his enemies into the open so he could arrest them and imprison or kill them.

Then, there's Stalin, the world leader who is responsible for more deaths than Hitler.  To be "fair" (for lack of a better word; neither Hitler nor Stalin deserve fairness), Stalin had far more time to work at this than Hitler did.  (Hitler's reign of terror lasted 12 years, while Stalin ruled the Soviet Union for 39 years.)  He WAS our WWII ally, an alliance that led to the end of the Good War and the beginning of the Terrible Peace, and his atrocities were whitewashed over, for the sake of holding our collective vomit down while defeating the more present foes (Germany and Japan); that should not obscure what he was, what he did, and why he did it.

Lenin, himself, said:  "The goal of socialism is communism."  And Stalin's massacre of the Kulaks was part of reaching that goal by collectivizing agriculture.  It wasn't "racist".  Indeed, there is amazingly little to show Stalin as being "racist", or even anti-Semitic (in a nation with a long history of anti-Semitism and Pogroms).  Of course, Stalin did engage in a 13 year anti-religious campaign (during the time of his bloody purges and oppression of the Kulaks); that was aimed in part at Jews, but in another part at the Russian Orthodox Church.  During the period of 1927-40, the number of Russian Orthodox Churches decreased from almost 29,600 to under 500 (you read that right).  That's in the Russian Republic alone, and did not include the other republics of the Soviet union.  And while that may give the anti-religious left on Atlas cause to cheer, I suppose that even they understand the ominousness of such a development of history.

People SHOULD be alarmed at people who make a career of exacerbating ethnic and racial hatreds.  It is something that is un-Christian and un-American.  Romans 12:13 says:  "“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”  That's the key to living a Christian life; the understanding that doing so is not dependent on one participating in rituals, observing dietary laws, etc.  Keeping Faith with Christ requires no one else to go along.  Biblical Christianity has NEVER demanded that persons reject people of other races and ethnicities and live within one's own group; indeed, Christ commissioned his Disciples to "Go ye, therefore, into all the world and preach this Gospel to every creature . . ."  Scripture has, over and over, said:  "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34)  "Love your enemies; bless those who curse you." (Matthew 5:44)  "Beloved, let us love one another.  For Love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God.  He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is Love."  (1 John 4:7-8)  One can go on and on about this.  And Matthew27, if he claims to be a Christian, at a minimum needs to repent and allow for correction, for his stated views place him in a pretty bad place, Biblically.  

But in saying this, what correction is needed for the Communist that hates America and wishes it ill?  The Communist whose secret agenda is religious persecution of Americans, and of religious people all over?  The Nazis and Fascists made appeals to working classes, acknowledging their sufferings and promising redress, but the Bolsheviks did also; Marx, himself, said that religion was "the opium of the people".  The Apostle James said:  "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."  (James 1:27)  Matthew27 has that choice, but, quite frankly, so do you and I.  This is what the Bolsheviks sought to openly destroy in the Soviet Union, and it is what American Communists today still wish to destroy.  Democracy is a mere means to their ends; the majority of Communist parties in Eastern Europe came to power through free elections after WWII.

I'm all for Resisting the False Song of Fascism, and I'm all for those who run the Forum dealing appropriately with persons who use this forum to express what is unquestionable overt racist sentiment (of any kind, including racially-based hostility of non-whites toward whites as well as anti-black, anti-Hispanic, and anti-nonwhite minority sentiments) but I'm also for Resisting the False Song of Bolshevism as well, and I'm not going to pretend that THAT false song isn't sung on Atlas, either.  THAT false song led to the massacre of Kulaks in the 1920s.  I'll leave it to the reader to conclude as to why this story is barely known in today's Information Age America.    

[Fuzzy Bear]

I'm not even sure Fuzzy realizes that bringing Stalin and Mao or communism into a discussion about neo-Nazis or white supremacists is exactly the type of thing David Duke or his Stormfront followers would do.

Stormfront and Neo-Nazis are pathetic.  The whole crowd of them.  Awful folks.  I've never said otherwise.  I have no use for them, I don't support them, and I would not associate with someone in my personal life if I discovered that someone was, indeed, that.  I have no use for these people.  I would never vote for such a person if I were aware that this is what they were in fact.  And I realize that some people hide this until they get where they want to be.

I'm not defending them, or apologizing for them.  And I've never said otherwise.  In fact, I condemn them, all of them, unequivocally.  Matthew27 is, at best a confused soul, and, at worst, a person whose basic ideas should never drive public policy.

Here on Atlas, we will condemn, at the drop of a hat, anything that is considered "racist".  And well people should; actual racism should be condemned.  "We Condemn Racism In All Forms" is a valid Values Statement for ANY reputable organization, and any reputable organization SHOULD condemn racism unequivocally. 

What people do here is try to define "racism" as any stance that opposes the policy objectives of specific groups in certain issues (voting rights, immigration, criminal justice).  There are, indeed, issues that involve matters of racial justice and fairness, but they also involve issues that have two sides to them and opposition to a particular side is not a matter of bigotry, but a matter of policy.  It's a way to shut down honest policy debate by demonizing persons who disagree with their stances ,and it happens all the time here.

Part of this is a vested narrative of how Neo-Nazis are about to storm the Brooklyn Bridge and take over America if we don't do something.  I simply don't believe it, any more than when, in my youth, I believe that the Commies were about to cross the Potomac and invade Washington.  But I'm going to confront these narratives; they are falsehoods, and they are driven by people who wish to use cheap demonizing to win arguments they have trouble winning by logic.

And I note that I've touched a nerve by suggesting that, as sure as there is alt-right Neo-Nazi influences in our politics and in our social media, there is anti-American Communist/Bolshevik influence in the same manner.  There are people that post here that loathe America and wish for it to be destroyed and remade in their image.  It is certainly hard for me to think that such people wish well for me, or for the vast majority of Americans (of which I am one) who are not members of the alt-right or the fringe left and only wish to live their lives.   

[Fuzzy Bear]

People need to realize that whites aren't the bad guys and shouldn't feel ashame of who we're.
We ended slavery
we developed human rights for all
we have helped billions of people

There's nothing to be ashamed of and I hope whites wake up realizing this one day.

I am sick of the hatred white people face in our colleges and media. It needs to stop! Ban me but do think about some things as you're doing so.

and People need to realize that whites aren't the bad guys and shouldn't feel ashame of who we're.
We ended slavery
we developed human rights for all
we have helped billions of people

There's nothing to be ashamed of and I hope whites wake up realizing this one day.

I am sick of the hatred white people face in our colleges and media. It needs to stop! Ban me but do think about some things as you're doing so.

0/10

Now I do view these quotes as the quote of a guy who is a 10K poster at Stormfront (by his own admission).  In that vein, these thoughts are potentially dangerous.  I live in the real world.

It is, indeed, possible, to not be a racist, and to condemn these posts for the spirit that they were posted in.  This kind of paranoia doesn't do anyone any good.  But to the extent that such a statement is an observation, hatred of white Americans is, indeed, encouraged in some quarters in some colleges and universities.  This isn't a secret.  It's nowhere near the moral outrages of slavery or Jim Crow segregation.  It's nowhere near the legitimate questions of racial justice faced in a number of current criminal justice and voting rights topics.  But however paranoid Matthew27 may or may not be (and I'm not his analyst), what he states does go on, and there are, indeed, some people here on Atlas that are part of that, and many brush that off as if it's OK.

Misdemeanor Battery is not as serious as Attempted Murder With A Firearm in terms of the seriousness of an act, but both are wrong, and the perpetrator of the lesser, unchecked, has often grown over time to more serious behaviors.  That the check some here need may well be another discussion for another time, and may not be the check that the more severe perpetrator needs, it's still needed.

[Fuzzy Bear]

^ In summation:  Matthew27 does have a point, you know.

In fact, Fuzzy’s belief is probably more dangerous - the idea that white supremacy comes from a “legitimate” point of grievance and just takes it too far, rather than a morally depraved, baseless ideology - and is probably the strongest evidence in favor of the argument that America is experiencing serious moral decline.

That's not my belief at all.  I have never said this, and I don't believe this. 

"White Supremacy" is something that comes from a depraved mindset, if you're talking about Stormfront, etc.  Let's get that straight.  I DO condemn White Supremacy; it is, indeed, un-Christian, un-American, and it is, indeed, evidence of the moral decline of America.  I do consider the whole of the alt-right to have a morally baseless ideology, and their presence (while inflated by some here for their own partisan purposes) is, indeed, driven by their own moral baselessness and delusion.  And, yes, it is dangerous.  I'm well aware of the history of Germany between the World Wars, and of how dangerous that thinking is.

You're full of beans as to what I have even said, let alone what I mean.  I'll give you the grace of recognizing that everyone has a bad day.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I may be full of beans, but it's better than being full of sh**t.

Once you get done digesting the beans . . .