Opinion of Fuzzy Bear

[Progressive Pessimist]

My feelings towards Fuzzy are very complex.

For one thing, he always adds to a conversation and isn't a typical right wing troll like so many other blue avatars. On the other hand, what he contributes often consists of false equivalencies, debunked talking points, red herrings, whataboutism and so on.

Furthermore, I appreciate that he is a voter who is often still open to voting for the other party, like with how he (surprisingly) voted for both Gillum and Nelson last year. But again, it's undermined by the fact that his views on individual issues conflict with why he voted for them and other Democrats over the years. He is essentially a typical swing voter in the Trump era, and that scares the s*** out of me.

Also his posts are often excessively long.

I could go on but but I just can't come to a conclusion about whether he is a freedom fighter or horrible person. He's kind of just somewhere in between lean freedom fighter and lean horrible person, which is a pretty meaningless answer though.

[Gustaf]

What an Atlas thread this is - the notion that having voted for different parties at different times makes a person nuanced or thoughtful or "a nice guy, FF" is so strange. Like, it's a really strange thing to even take into consideration when evaluating someone, whether good or bad.

Joe Republic is on the money, as so often.

[President Johnson]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I enjoy his enlightening posts on modern US political history rather more than his ludicrous takes on current affairs which are basically "Trump = 4d chess genius, Democrats = McGovern" copy+pasted into every new thread.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

[lfromnj]

What an Atlas thread this is - the notion that having voted for different parties at different times makes a person nuanced or thoughtful or "a nice guy, FF" is so strange. Like, it's a really strange thing to even take into consideration when evaluating someone, whether good or bad.

Joe Republic is on the money, as so often.

But it definitely doesn't make him a hack lol.

[RINO Tom]

I enjoy his enlightening posts on modern US political history rather more than his ludicrous takes on current affairs which are basically "Trump = 4d chess genius, Democrats = McGovern" copy+pasted into every new thread.

Yeah, Fuzzy's thoughts on ~ pre-2010 US politics is a welcome addition to the forum.  His thoughts on everything post-Trump is a whole other story.

[President Johnson]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

[Comrade Funk]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

[Comrade Funk]

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Virtually every trend in public opinion shows that positive sentiment toward immigrants is at or near an all-time high.

yet we have a racist president

[All Along The Watchtower]

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Virtually every trend in public opinion shows that positive sentiment toward immigrants is at or near an all-time high.

yet we have a racist president

...for whom about 26% of US adults voted for just over two and a half years ago. Also, look at 1994 vs. 2019 in the chart Averroes posted, not just in terms of the 180 in public opinion but the difference between "63+31" and "62+28."

In 1994, according to that chart, 96% of poll/survey respondents were willing to give an answer to what appears to be a binary choice between a positive view of immigrants to the US and a negative view.  In 2019, it was 90% of respondents. That means that about 10% of Americans in 2019, extrapolating from that poll/survey data, have a less definitive answer to whether immigrants to the US are a positive or negative.

[Santander]

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Virtually every trend in public opinion shows that positive sentiment toward immigrants is at or near an all-time high.

yet we have a racist president

Nobody is questioning that.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

"More people are voting based on their hatred of immigrants" is more precise and accurate than "more people hate immigrants."

Lots of people who voted for Obama (and Bill Clinton, etc.) had negative views of immigrants but didn't base their vote based on immigration stances.

[Grassroots]

Big FF and an asset to the forum.

[Ye We Can]

Good takes on political history and he at leasts tries on his modern posts even if they mask Boomer tier opinions

[Gustaf]

What an Atlas thread this is - the notion that having voted for different parties at different times makes a person nuanced or thoughtful or "a nice guy, FF" is so strange. Like, it's a really strange thing to even take into consideration when evaluating someone, whether good or bad.

Joe Republic is on the money, as so often.

But it definitely doesn't make him a hack lol.

Well, not a partisan hack, in the narrow sense. It says a lot about contemporary US politics that this is considered remarkable.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

President Johnson is living in the 90s bubble.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

President Johnson is living in the 90s bubble.

FWIW, Bill Clinton’s policies on immigration in the 90s were arguably closer to Trump’s than what would be permissible to many/most Democratic Party activists today.

[Former President tack50]

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Virtually every trend in public opinion shows that positive sentiment toward immigrants is at or near an all-time high.

I would argue that wording is a loaded question of sorts. I don't think many anti-inmigration people deny that inmigrants on the whole (or at least certain subsections) do work hard, strengthen the country and what not

A more interesting question would be "Would you like inmigration to increase, decrease or stay at current levels?"

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Haven't you notice President Johnson is mentally stuck in the 90s?

[President Johnson]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Haven't you notice President Johnson is mentally stuck in the 90s?

LOL, I was a kid back then and didn't follow politics. But by the end of that decade, America had a booming ecomomy, budget surplus, less gridlock and wasn't involved in a war. I'd say 2000 was one of the best years politically until Al Gore was denied the presidency (I won't say defeated).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

Haven't you notice President Johnson is mentally stuck in the 90s?

LOL, I was a kid back then and didn't follow politics. But by the end of that decade, America had a booming ecomomy, budget surplus, less gridlock and wasn't involved in a war. I'd say 2000 was one of the best years politically until Al Gore was denied the presidency (I won't say defeated).

Yes, those were flawlessly wonderful years. Never mind the mass incarceration, insane financial deregulation, "Republican Revolution", war on drugs, skyrocketing income gap and execution rates and so on. Truly a sensible, moderate paradise.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Don't agree with him on a variety of issues, but gentle and informed guy. Freedom fighter.

Your compulsive moderate heroism is giving us cancer.

Why? You can respect a person but still disagree with him (or her) on political issues as long as this person is somewhat within the democratic mainstream.

Well I suppose hating immigrants is now "mainstream" now

President Johnson is living in the 90s bubble.

FWIW, Bill Clinton’s policies on immigration in the 90s were arguably closer to Trump’s than what would be permissible to many/most Democratic Party activists today.

Hell, there's only a few fairly minor differences between Trump and Obama when it comes to immigration policy. every president since Reagan has been far-right on immigration, whether their rhetoric aligned with that or not.

[7,052,770]

Remember when Fuzzy was doing this several times a week, rarely in threads that had anything to do with Bill Clinton or #MeToo or anything else that would make it at least somewhat on topic?

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He's got a new one now. And even though he's been told repeatedly by so many people that we don't think like this, he's just projecting, and we would still support treating immigrants humanely if they were all promised to never become citizens or even to become citizens so they could vote Republican. Also note that only 1 of the 4 threads has anything to do with immigration.

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I'm sure we'll see this super clever zinger pollute many more unrelated threads over the next few months.

[DavidB.]

Mega FF.