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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2019, 05:59:48 pm »

Republicans are definitely setting themselves up to be the undisputed minority party on a national scale for an extended period of time in the not too distant future

Yeah, this, rather than never again electing another president, is the plausible worst-case scenario for the GOP.

But the scary thing for the GOP is that it's a very plausible worst-case scenario given demographics, recent election history, but also political history. The presidency, the House, and the Senate have all been competitive since at least 1994, but it's pretty common historically for one or more of these institutions to be dominated by one party except in the case of wave elections. For example, from 1932 to 1968, Democrats controlled the presidency for 28 of 36 years, and controlled both houses of Congress for 32 of 36 years.

I could also see a scenario similar to the period from 1874 to 1894 where the GOP dominated the Senate and the presidency but Democrats dominated the House. Except in this case, Democrats would dominate the House and the presidency and Republicans would dominate the Senate.
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2019, 11:49:10 pm »

There's probably enough time for one more Republican before the earth is consumed in ecological apocalypse.
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2019, 12:11:41 am »

I forsee a future where there's an uneasy peace in the Democratic party similar to that which existed during the New Deal days between the Southern faction of the Democratic Party and the rest of the party. The GOP will either die off or fuse with the centrist faction while somewhere down the road (perhaps 5-6 decades from now) the party will split in two.


Wouldn't the fact that the GOP did, in fact, survive that era tend to provide empirical evidence that your hypothetical won't occur?

Possibly. My reasoning is based on the fact that post-millennial Republicans don't consider themselves all that Conservative. Another example here.

The present day GOP is nothing but a combo of racists, religious zealot/nutcases, and true believers of free market Conservatism that was created by historical circumstances that nobody remembers or cares. But this sort of ideology is mostly relegated and propped up by Boomers and older voters. With their political power rapidly declining...the GOP will probably move toward a Phil Scott/Charlie Baker/Larry Hogan RINO type Republicanism which is basically just a dime store Democratic Party.

Another scenario is that the GOP just goes full white power and forever remains the party of angry white grievance but I dont see how this is possible since younger GOP voters dont share their views.
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2019, 04:33:26 pm »

I forsee a future where there's an uneasy peace in the Democratic party similar to that which existed during the New Deal days between the Southern faction of the Democratic Party and the rest of the party. The GOP will either die off or fuse with the centrist faction while somewhere down the road (perhaps 5-6 decades from now) the party will split in two.


Wouldn't the fact that the GOP did, in fact, survive that era tend to provide empirical evidence that your hypothetical won't occur?

Possibly. My reasoning is based on the fact that post-millennial Republicans don't consider themselves all that Conservative. Another example here.

The present day GOP is nothing but a combo of racists, religious zealot/nutcases, and true believers of free market Conservatism that was created by historical circumstances that nobody remembers or cares. But this sort of ideology is mostly relegated and propped up by Boomers and older voters. With their political power rapidly declining...the GOP will probably move toward a Phil Scott/Charlie Baker/Larry Hogan RINO type Republicanism which is basically just a dime store Democratic Party.

Another scenario is that the GOP just goes full white power and forever remains the party of angry white grievance but I dont see how this is possible since younger GOP voters dont share their views.

Yeah, this would only happen if those young GOP voters just make their own party to oppose the Dems
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2019, 11:25:18 pm »

I forsee a future where there's an uneasy peace in the Democratic party similar to that which existed during the New Deal days between the Southern faction of the Democratic Party and the rest of the party. The GOP will either die off or fuse with the centrist faction while somewhere down the road (perhaps 5-6 decades from now) the party will split in two.


Wouldn't the fact that the GOP did, in fact, survive that era tend to provide empirical evidence that your hypothetical won't occur?

Possibly. My reasoning is based on the fact that post-millennial Republicans don't consider themselves all that Conservative. Another example here.

The present day GOP is nothing but a combo of racists, religious zealot/nutcases, and true believers of free market Conservatism that was created by historical circumstances that nobody remembers or cares. But this sort of ideology is mostly relegated and propped up by Boomers and older voters. With their political power rapidly declining...the GOP will probably move toward a Phil Scott/Charlie Baker/Larry Hogan RINO type Republicanism which is basically just a dime store Democratic Party.

Another scenario is that the GOP just goes full white power and forever remains the party of angry white grievance but I dont see how this is possible since younger GOP voters dont share their views.

Yeah, this would only happen if those young GOP voters just make their own party to oppose the Dems


One of the reasons the GOP is so extreme today is because they know that demographically they are finished. They will never get minorities to vote for them so they are going all scorched earth against the increasingly diverse electorate whom they don't view as being legitimate because they aren't white/or wont vote for them.

I don't see any future scenario where the GOP remains a relevant political party. Either they go full Trumpism and become a shrinking third party or become dime store Democrats by moderating a la Baker/Hogan/Scott-type ''Republicanism.''
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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2019, 03:09:39 pm »

Is there anybody who actually, unironically believes this?

I have never, on this forum or elsewhere, seen anyone unsarcastically and unironically advance the argument that Trump will be the last GOP President ever.
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« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2019, 04:50:35 pm »
« Edited: June 15, 2019, 04:54:24 pm by Olawakandi »

After 2020, the GOP have to rebrand itself, like it did, after Nixon, as the non Kremlin party. Just like Reagan did. However, McCarthy isnt Boehner,  whom had Paul Ryan to help the GOP win back control. Trump was seen as the 3rd term Dubya.


For now, unless CRT Packing is done, the GOP has a generational SCOTUS and Judicial Branch, that keeps SSM and amnesty at arms length, and allows 2nd amendment rights
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« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2019, 05:53:23 pm »

They will have to start winning over 70 percent of the white vote to be competitive in future elections.
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