Doublethink on the left and right.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I bash left-thinking a lot here, and this book review of 1984 really hits home on why:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/1984-george-orwell/590638/

Progressive doublethink—which has grown worse in reaction to the right-wing kind—creates a more insidious unreality because it operates in the name of all that is good. Its key word is justice—a word no one should want to live without. But today the demand for justice forces you to accept contradictions that are the essence of doublethink.

Trump and his cronies lies are obvious and well-covered.  The lies from the left come in the guise of "social justice" and demonizing (mostly whites and males) people as "Nazis" or "alt-right".

As Picard in Star Trek (once considered a VERY liberal TV series):  "Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot, those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged."

[afleitch]

Trump and his cronies lies are obvious and well-covered.  The lies from the left come in the guise of "social justice" and demonizing (mostly whites and males) people as "Nazis" or "alt-right". strawmen.

[QAnonKelly]

1984 is a book?!?!?! I thought it was the Wonder Woman movie that’s coming out next year. Huh TIL

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Wow, annoying college students and woke Twitter eggs calling you a Nazi means it's just like 1984!  Really makes you think.

[Florian Geyer]

Wow, annoying college students and woke Twitter eggs calling you a Nazi means it's just like 1984!  Really makes you think.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of the situation. These annoying college students have a lot of power that extends into the real world. There's countless examples of people getting falsely called a Nazi online and then getting fired from their jobs. On top of all that there are many people in the upper circles of the business and academic world who support this new progressive ideology, and these upper circles obviously hold a lot of power.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Wow, annoying college students and woke Twitter eggs calling you a Nazi means it's just like 1984!  Really makes you think.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of the situation. These annoying college students have a lot of power that extends into the real world. There's countless examples of people getting falsely called a Nazi online and then getting fired from their jobs. On top of all that there are many people in the upper circles of the business and academic world who support this new progressive ideology, and these upper circles obviously hold a lot of power.

I haven't seen any cases of people being fired merely for expressing an opinion or doing anything that wasn't in violation of company policy.  Maybe I'm wrong, but even if that were the case I would surmise that is a tiny percentage of people getting fired just for expressing a conservative viewpoint.  In the case of police officers getting fired for racist content, I can see where a firing would be justified given that those jobs entail responsibility for other people's lives.

But being outraged over an anonymous rando calling you a Nazi on the internet is akin to yelling "hate crime!" because some other anonymous rando called you a f****t or something.  Ten years ago, you would ignore those types of people and laugh it off.  Nowadays we take name-calling seriously for some reason.

As a society we've gotten very soft.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Wow, annoying college students and woke Twitter eggs calling you a Nazi means it's just like 1984!  Really makes you think.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of the situation. These annoying college students have a lot of power that extends into the real world. There's countless examples of people getting falsely called a Nazi online and then getting fired from their jobs. On top of all that there are many people in the upper circles of the business and academic world who support this new progressive ideology, and these upper circles obviously hold a lot of power.

I haven't seen any cases of people being fired merely for expressing an opinion or doing anything that wasn't in violation of company policy.  Maybe I'm wrong, but even if that were the case I would surmise that is a tiny percentage of people getting fired just for expressing a conservative viewpoint.  In the case of police officers getting fired for racist content, I can see where a firing would be justified given that those jobs entail responsibility for other people's lives.

But being outraged over an anonymous rando calling you a Nazi on the internet is akin to yelling "hate crime!" because some other anonymous rando called you a f****t or something.  Ten years ago, you would ignore those types of people and laugh it off.  Nowadays we take name-calling seriously for some reason.

As a society we've gotten very soft.

I agree with the bolded. It's also part of this problem.  People are soft and need safe spaces and puppy rooms. They are raised by parents that say sh*t like "Hey can you put on your shoes, buddy". It's all very cringey and it's why people now call this "Clown World".


I would also add it's not just the name- calling but the whining to mom to ban people from platforms.

[Tartarus Sauce]

I have no problem with people pointing out the shortfalls of left-wing politics, but there are like a dozen people on this forum (an admittedly left-leaning one) who are more capable of hitting the nail on the head than you are on the topic. Your obsession with being a provocateur leads to excessive reliance on strawmen and overly broad brushstrokes.

Oh yeah, and you've also peddled white nationalist propaganda, so that's done you no favors either.

[Former President tack50]

Wow, annoying college students and woke Twitter eggs calling you a Nazi means it's just like 1984!  Really makes you think.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of the situation. These annoying college students have a lot of power that extends into the real world. There's countless examples of people getting falsely called a Nazi online and then getting fired from their jobs. On top of all that there are many people in the upper circles of the business and academic world who support this new progressive ideology, and these upper circles obviously hold a lot of power.

I haven't seen any cases of people being fired merely for expressing an opinion or doing anything that wasn't in violation of company policy.  Maybe I'm wrong, but even if that were the case I would surmise that is a tiny percentage of people getting fired just for expressing a conservative viewpoint.  In the case of police officers getting fired for racist content, I can see where a firing would be justified given that those jobs entail responsibility for other people's lives.

But being outraged over an anonymous rando calling you a Nazi on the internet is akin to yelling "hate crime!" because some other anonymous rando called you a f****t or something.  Ten years ago, you would ignore those types of people and laugh it off.  Nowadays we take name-calling seriously for some reason.

As a society we've gotten very soft.

I agree with the bolded. It's also part of this problem.  People are soft and need safe spaces and puppy rooms. They are raised by parents that say sh*t like "Hey can you put on your shoes, buddy". It's all very cringey and it's why people now call this "Clown World".


I would also add it's not just the name- calling but the whining to mom to ban people from platforms.

No one outside 4chan and similar circles call this "Clown World" lmao

And I am not a fan of the current "woke" politics which create a lot of problems, but the "poltical incorrect" people are just as bad, if not worse.

[DK_Mo82]

There is always doublethink in party politics. Some thing like a philabuster you use when not in offices is, the tools used when you regain the offices .

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I have no problem with people pointing out the shortfalls of left-wing politics, but there are like a dozen people on this forum (an admittedly left-leaning one) who are more capable of hitting the nail on the head than you are on the topic. Your obsession with being a provocateur leads to excessive reliance on strawmen and overly broad brushstrokes.

Oh yeah, and you've also peddled white nationalist propaganda, so that's done you no favors either.

What, it's not OK to be white?

That's the other problem, people are too serious.  Why so serious?

Here's a real quote to live by:

"As long as you savor the humorous aspect of misery and misfortune, you can overcome anything." - John Candy

[Person Man]

This thread has my daily dose of irony. That is, someone complaining about being called names by people he complains about tattling on people for calling them names. Am I caught up?