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« on: June 10, 2019, 04:07:26 pm »

Can you?
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2019, 04:26:09 pm »

Sure! A college-educated voter who was alienated from the GOP during the Bush era and started voting Democrat. Exhibit A: Colorado.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2019, 05:50:09 pm »

My neighbor growing up - upper-class educated white man who works in a "green" industry, is generally socially liberal, and was turned off by the Bush administration.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 01:24:40 am »

Fairfax County
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 01:29:44 am »

Counties can flip because of people turning 18, dying, turning out, not turning out, moving in, moving out, etc. All of that is distinct from an individual voter flipping.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 07:00:46 am »

I would have been one if I were old enough to vote in 1996.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 07:19:31 am »

Sure! A college-educated voter who was alienated from the GOP during the Bush era and started voting Democrat. Exhibit A: Colorado.

Colorado was more about changing demographics than it was about GOP voters there becoming Democrats. That was probably especially a phenomenon you'd have seen on the East Coast and Upper Midwest.

But yeah I agree Dole 96/Obama 12 voters would have been socially liberal college educated Republicans who left the party in the 2000s.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 07:22:36 am »

Counties can flip because of people turning 18, dying, turning out, not turning out, moving in, moving out, etc. All of that is distinct from an individual voter flipping.

Yeah, I have to agree. Obviously some people flipped from having supported Dole in 96 to having supported Obama in 2012 (especially in the regions I mentionned), but I think they would have been a relatively small proportion of the population. I think Clinton 96/Romney 12 voters would have been a lot more common.

I think the story about areas that voted for Dole in 96 and Obama in 2012 is really more about the demographics having changed than anything.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 05:38:41 pm »

Moderate, white collar, college educated, Caucasian male from the north east

Also same thing above but Asian and from the west coast since they voted favorability towards the republicans but started to switch around 2004-2008
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 08:59:24 pm »

A college-educated, suburban voter that grew discontent with the GOP's foreign and economic policy during the Dubya administration.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 09:32:24 pm »

A Vietnamese American from Orange County, California.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 10:05:01 pm »

The Republican party in 1996 was much less anti intellectual, anti media and being the party of conspiracy theories than in 2012. That turned off a lot of white college educated suburbanites in places like NOVA, suburban Philly, the Research Triangle, Atlanta suburbs etc.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 10:13:26 pm »

The Republican party in 1996 was much less anti intellectual, anti media and being the party of conspiracy theories than in 2012. That turned off a lot of white college educated suburbanites in places like NOVA, suburban Philly, the Research Triangle, Atlanta suburbs etc.

I believe Romney did better than McCain though
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 11:56:27 pm »

My father. He despised Clinton, but he turned against the Republicans under Bush and liked ObamaCare.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2019, 06:03:59 am »

Japanese/Vietnamese/Chinese Americans.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2019, 05:15:44 pm »

This describes a lot of traditional GOP counties that turned blue with Obama 08.

Chester, PA
Loudoun, VA
Prince William, VA
Wake, NC
Hamilton, OH
Dallas, TX
Harris, TX
San Diego, CA
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2019, 09:55:27 am »

Bill Maher.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2019, 10:22:11 am »


Why did Maher vote for Dole?
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2019, 11:53:55 am »

I found this don't know if its accurate tho
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In 1996, Maher endorsed Bob Dole on the basis of Dole's status as a war hero and being an old-style Republican and it probably being his last chance to vote for someone of the "greatest generation".
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bill_Maher
Edit lol maher was a weird voter
Dole 96 Nader 2000 Kerry 04 Obama 08 Obama 12 Sanders 16 Clinton 16
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2019, 09:05:08 pm »

I found this don't know if its accurate tho
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In 1996, Maher endorsed Bob Dole on the basis of Dole's status as a war hero and being an old-style Republican and it probably being his last chance to vote for someone of the "greatest generation".
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bill_Maher
Edit lol maher was a weird voter
Dole 96 Nader 2000 Kerry 04 Obama 08 Obama 12 Sanders 16 Clinton 16

Not that weird. GOP moved right on social and cultural issues during the W Bush presidency, alienating "old school" Republicans, including Asian-Americans (Gore was the first Dem to win the Asian vote). In 2000, W Bush and Gore were not too far off in terms of policy, so Nader appealed to those who wanted change.

The Economist endorsed Dole and W Bush in 00 and then endorsed the Dem in every election since.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2019, 12:27:57 am »

A certain progressive political commentator stated that he was conservative early on in his adult life, and identified as Republican before 2000. He stated that the Iraq War was instrumental in getting him to shift toward progressivism. Based on this info, my best guess as to his voting preferences for the two years mentioned in this thread would make him fit this particular voting pattern.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2019, 10:38:36 am »

A certain progressive political commentator stated that he was conservative early on in his adult life, and identified as Republican before 2000. He stated that the Iraq War was instrumental in getting him to shift toward progressivism. Based on this info, my best guess as to his voting preferences for the two years mentioned in this thread would make him fit this particular voting pattern.

Ugh, I hate Cenk Uygur. Can Ana kick him out already?
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2019, 01:39:04 pm »

Charlie Crist
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2019, 02:20:47 pm »

Japanese/Vietnamese/Chinese Americans.

Exactly. In the 1990s many Asian americans still supported the GOP. Clinton lost the Asian american vote by 24% and 5% in 1992 and 1996, Obama won it by 47% in 2012.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2019, 09:56:42 pm »

Also a Muslim American.
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