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« on: June 20, 2019, 05:41:39 pm »

Asian American population:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans
Ancestry   Population
2000   Population
2010   Percent change
Bangladeshi   46,905   142,080   202.9%
Bhutanese   192   18,814   9,699.0%
Burmese   14,620   95,536   553.5%
Cambodian   183,769   255,497   39.0%
Chinese   2,564,190   3,535,382   37.9%
Filipino   1,908,125   2,649,973   38.9%
Hispanic   119,829   Ė   Ė
Hmong   174,712   252,323   44.4%
Indian   1,718,778   2,918,807   69.8%
Indonesian   44,186   63,383   69.7%
Japanese   852,237   841,824   −1.2%
Korean   1,099,422   1,463,474   33.1%
Laotian   179,103   209,646   17.1%
Malaysian   15,029   21,868   45.5%
Maldivian   29   102   251.7%
Mongolian   3,699   15,138   309.2%
Nepalese   8,209   57,209   596.9%
Okinawan   6,138   5,681   −7.4%
Pakistani   164,628   382,994   132.6%
Singaporean   2,017   4,569   126.5%
Sri Lankan   21,364   41,456   94.0%
Taiwanese   118,827   199,387   67.6%
Thai   120,918   182,872   51.2%
Vietnamese   1,169,672   1,632,717   39.6%
Other Asian,
not specified   162,913   238,332   46.3%
Total   10,242,998   14,674,252   43.3%

Indonesia is the third most populous country in Asia, and the fourth most populous in the world.  Yet, the Indonesian population in the US is lower than that of the Burmese-Americans, considerably lower than the Cambodian- and Laotian-American populations (which is somewhat understandable, considering US war history), and not much larger than the Nepali-American community.  Also compare the Indonesian community to the Filipino one!  (The Philippines was a US colony, but still...)

Why is that?  Are Indonesians just more likely to stay at home?
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 05:54:34 pm »

What opportunities would an Indonesian person have to immigrate to the US?

Having family ties in the US is a major way to immigrate. But if there are few people Indonesia here to begin with, that means few people have that opportunity.

Skills-based visas are the other way. Most Indonesians aren't very well educated. Unlike, say, India, they don't have a strong English-speaking tradition or a very comprehensive higher education system.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 09:57:53 pm »

It's much easier for Indonesians to work in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia and send remittances back home than it is for them to work in the US and do the same. People are prone to forgetting that there are plenty of relatively wealthy countries outside of Europe and North America and that they, too, draw many migrants.

There are very few Bolivians or Paraguayans in the US because they emigrate to Uruguay or Argentina or Chile.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2019, 06:57:09 pm »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2019, 12:45:22 am »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Not sure that that's true.  There may be equal numbers in some areas but if you go to Houston or Orange County there are gobs and gobs more Vietnamese restaurants.  I suspect the Vietnamese population is more concentrated in certain areas and the Thai population is more spread out, so if you're not close to a Vietnamese hub you might get the impression that you have. 

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2019, 10:09:17 am »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Vietnamese restaurants are catching on in places.  But despite the large Filipino-American population, are there any Filipino restaurants anywhere?  Then again, is Filipino food any good?  lol
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2019, 11:49:39 pm »

Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2019, 01:42:41 pm »

Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there.

I'd imagine both the Bhutanese and maybe also the Nepalese are Lhotshampa; i.e. ethnic Nepalese forced out of Bhutan due to the government's exclusionary policies. Most of them went over to Nepal in the 80s and 90s, but ended up getting resettled, mostly to the U.S. as hope of return to Bhutan has become increasingly remote Sad.

Here's a good old thread about this topic, featuring the now-departed for AAD poster Lewis Trondheim.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2019, 01:57:24 pm »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian).

Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos).

In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2019, 03:22:11 pm »
« Edited: June 23, 2019, 03:26:09 pm by khuzifenq »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian).

Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos).

In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner.

Iím guessing you currently live in Queens or Brooklyn, and used to live in the Upper Midwest? Aside from a lot of sushi places being run by Koreans, you generally wonít encounter that problem on the West Coast.

Re: the OP topic- most Indonesian Americans are ethnic Chinese, although there are also a certain number of Indos (people of mixed Dutch and native descent). Singer Michelle Branch is half Indo on her momís side.

I grew up in Washington County OR and there were at least 2 Chinese Indonesian families and one half Indo half white person within 1 mile of my house.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2019, 03:47:54 pm »

Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there.

I'd imagine both the Bhutanese and maybe also the Nepalese are Lhotshampa; i.e. ethnic Nepalese forced out of Bhutan due to the government's exclusionary policies. Most of them went over to Nepal in the 80s and 90s, but ended up getting resettled, mostly to the U.S. as hope of return to Bhutan has become increasingly remote Sad.

Here's a good old thread about this topic, featuring the now-departed for AAD poster Lewis Trondheim.

When I lived in Madison, weirdly enough, I encountered multiple Nepalese-Americans because apparently it's been a common place of resettlement for Nepalese refugees for the past few decades.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2019, 05:37:52 pm »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Vietnamese restaurants are catching on in places.  But despite the large Filipino-American population, are there any Filipino restaurants anywhere?  Then again, is Filipino food any good?  lol

At least in my area/personal experience, Thai restaurants started catching on about fifteen years ago, Vietnamese places started becoming big about five years ago, and Filipino restaurants are finally starting to open, though they're still rare. All three are pretty good imo, but I'd probably go Vietnamse>Thai>Filipino
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2019, 11:00:25 pm »

Wasn't Indonesia colonized by the Dutch, while many other Asian countries that were colonized were colonized by the English? Plus, it's an Islamic Country. Doesn't it make more sense for Indonesians to emigrate to places like The Netherlands and the Muslim Arab nations than the United States?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2019, 09:07:52 am »

What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.

Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian).

Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos).

In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner.

Iím guessing you currently live in Queens or Brooklyn, and used to live in the Upper Midwest? Aside from a lot of sushi places being run by Koreans, you generally wonít encounter that problem on the West Coast.


Close, the Bronx. But I think its more true of Manhattan than Queens/Brooklyn as far as Chinese/Korean sushi houses and Bangladeshi Indian restaurants (though less true for Thai). But I have seen a few Chinese/Vietnamese crosses in CA, and sushi is weird everywhere like you say. North Indian is less of a problem on the west coast probably due to a traditional Sikh presence in the agricultural sector.

Basically, more educated immigrants dont want to run restaurants.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2019, 09:38:33 pm »

I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2019, 02:10:56 am »

I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).

This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians

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Overseas Indonesians
Total population
c. 8 million (2015)[1]
Regions with significant populations
 Malaysia   est 2,500,000 (2014)[2]
 Netherlands   est 1,800,000 (2013)[3]
 Saudi Arabia   est 1,500,000 (2014)[4]
 Singapore   est 200,000 (2010)[5]
 United States   187,220 (2017)[6]
 Taiwan   161,000 (2010)[7]
 Hong Kong   102,100 (2006)[8]
 United Arab Emirates   100,000 (2006)[9]
Australia   86,196 (2017)[10]
 Suriname   74.000 (2010)[11]
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2019, 09:49:56 am »

I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).

This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians

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Overseas Indonesians
Total population
c. 8 million (2015)[1]
Regions with significant populations
 Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2]
 Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3]
 Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4]
 Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5]
 United States 187,220 (2017)[6]
 Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7]
 Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8]
 United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9]
Australia 86,196 (2017)[10]
 Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11]

Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then?
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2019, 12:00:43 pm »

I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).

This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians

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Overseas Indonesians
Total population
c. 8 million (2015)[1]
Regions with significant populations
 Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2]
 Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3]
 Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4]
 Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5]
 United States 187,220 (2017)[6]
 Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7]
 Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8]
 United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9]
Australia 86,196 (2017)[10]
 Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11]

Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then?

This looks like a fake wikipedia number. The source is something written in 2006...
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2019, 10:17:41 pm »

I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).

This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians

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Overseas Indonesians
Total population
c. 8 million (2015)[1]
Regions with significant populations
 Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2]
 Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3]
 Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4]
 Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5]
 United States 187,220 (2017)[6]
 Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7]
 Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8]
 United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9]
Australia 86,196 (2017)[10]
 Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11]

Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then?

This looks like a fake wikipedia number. The source is something written in 2006...

I dunno that's weird, it links to an article about the computer industry in Asia?
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2019, 02:04:32 am »

I dunno that's weird, it links to an article about the computer industry in Asia?

This happens sometimes, which is why you can't just take Wikipedia's word for it, and you have to check the source.
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