Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
January 24, 2020, 03:47:24 am
News: 2020 U.S. Senate Predictions are now active.

  Atlas Forum
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  U.S. Presidential Election Results (Moderators: Torie, Senator ON Progressive)
  How did Southern Goldwater 1964 voters vote in 1968?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: How did Southern Goldwater 1964 voters vote in 1968?  (Read 3921 times)
darklordoftech
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5,853
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: June 26, 2019, 07:31:34 pm »

Did they favor Nixon, Wallace, or was it split between Nixon and Wallace?
Logged
North Fulton Swing
mollybecky
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1,171


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2019, 07:42:47 pm »

In the Deep South states (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia)--substantially more voters to Wallace over Nixon.    South Carolina did go for Nixon because of Strom Thurmond's strong endorsement, but Wallace nonetheless got 32% of the vote there.

For Outer South states (Tennessee, North Carolina, Florida, Virginia)--definitely favoring Nixon over Wallace, as the Nixon margins there were fairly substantial.  Arkansas, which went for Wallace, is somewhat of a puzzle.

On top of this, Johnson voters who didn't vote for Humphrey in 1968 probably voted in the same split for Nixon/Wallace.
Logged
#Split California In 4
Solid4096
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6,235


Political Matrix
E: -9.25, S: -8.88

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2019, 07:51:58 pm »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?

Admittedly, I would have left a blank presidential ballot in 1964 and then voted for Humphrey in 1968 if I was alive and old enough to vote back then because both Johnson and Goldwater were absolutely terrible.
Logged
DINGO Joe
dingojoe
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 7,473
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 12:14:42 am »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?

Admittedly, I would have left a blank presidential ballot in 1964 and then voted for Humphrey in 1968 if I was alive and old enough to vote back then because both Johnson and Goldwater were absolutely terrible.

What were the Goldwater-Humphrey counties that didn't have a large block of black voters?
Logged
darklordoftech
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5,853
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 12:57:50 am »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?
Jim Crow also prevented poor and illiterate whites from voting. Could poor and/or illiterate whites enfranchised by the Voting Rights Act have been a factor?
Logged
Hydera
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1,427


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 01:09:39 am »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?
Jim Crow also prevented poor and illiterate whites from voting. Could poor and/or illiterate whites enfranchised by the Voting Rights Act have been a factor?

While most poor whites in the South didnt care. A lot of them did benefit from the Great Society programs.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 44,360
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 04:02:39 am »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?
Jim Crow also prevented poor and illiterate whites from voting. Could poor and/or illiterate whites enfranchised by the Voting Rights Act have been a factor?

While most poor whites in the South didnt care. A lot of them did benefit from the Great Society programs.

I would say that was a big a factor in those shifts.

Logged
Wazza
Wazza1901
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1,590
Australia


Political Matrix
E: 2.19, S: 1.57

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 07:56:44 am »

I think its important to recognize in threads like these that the GOP had already made significant inroads into the South, even parts of the Deep South, during the 50s and early 60s. So regions heavy in Nixon60-Goldwater64 voters such as Eastern and South-West Tennessee, parts of Northern Georgia, Southern Florida, central Kentucky, Northern Louisiana, chunks of South Carolina, Virginia, etc. of course mostly voted for Nixon in 68. Byrd/Kennedy-Goldwater voters however, mostly went with Wallace in 68. Additionally, in areas such as Southern Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, North Carolina and East Texas you had significant amounts of Johnson-Wallace voters.
Logged
Some of My Best Friends Are Gay
Enlightened_Centrist 420
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,718


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 09:56:16 am »

What about the Southern Goldwater-Humphrey Counties:

5 in VA
16 in SC
1 in GA
2 in AL
8 in MS
3 in LA

Some of those can rather easily be explained by passage of the voting rights act shifting political majorities from white voters in power due to jim crow to black voters now able to vote due to the voting rights act of 1965, but some of these Counties have little to no black population in them. What happened there?
Jim Crow also prevented poor and illiterate whites from voting. Could poor and/or illiterate whites enfranchised by the Voting Rights Act have been a factor?

Is there any evidence that poor or illiterate whites would have preferred Humphrey over Wallace? I would have assumed they would be the most racist possible group.
Logged
Does the title even matter?
tara gilesbie
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,748
United States
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 05:22:16 pm »

Goldwater-Humphrey voters weren't a thing. It's telling that every single one of these counties were in the post-Jim Crow South.
Logged
nclib
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9,922
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2019, 09:49:40 pm »

IIRC, even in the Goldwater-Humphrey counties with few blacks, it was about the vote being split three ways rather than two ways, and Humphrey still getting a lower % than Johnson.
Logged
TDAS04
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15,637
Nepal


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2019, 09:56:02 pm »

There were probably more Wallace-McGovern voters than there were Goldwater-Humphrey voters.
Logged
Some of My Best Friends Are Gay
Enlightened_Centrist 420
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,718


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2019, 09:59:19 pm »

IIRC, even in the Goldwater-Humphrey counties with few blacks, it was about the vote being split three ways rather than two ways, and Humphrey still getting a lower % than Johnson.

Again, what were these counties? none come to mind.
Logged
TDAS04
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15,637
Nepal


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2019, 10:04:34 pm »

IIRC, even in the Goldwater-Humphrey counties with few blacks, it was about the vote being split three ways rather than two ways, and Humphrey still getting a lower % than Johnson.

Again, what were these counties? none come to mind.

There were counties like that in lower South Carolina.  Also Chatham County, Georgia.  I wouldn’t say they have “few” blacks, they’re white majority with sizable black minorities.  In South Carolina especially, the white vote was divided between Nixon and Wallace, enabling black voters to deliver plurality wins for Humphrey in certain counties.
Logged
Plankton5165
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 337


P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2019, 11:13:17 pm »

Arkansas, which went for Wallace, is somewhat of a puzzle.

I think it's because it neighbors Mississippi and Louisiana. He also received an EC vote in NC.
Logged
UnselfconsciousTeff
Full Member
***
Posts: 243
Egypt


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2019, 03:11:22 am »

Split between Wallace and Nixon
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length
Logout

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

© Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Elections, LLC