S.19.2-24: TMTH FAPoSE Act (Passed)

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Section I: Title
This shall be known as the Tokens Minted To Honor Former Atlasian Presidents of Southern Extraction Act or the TMTH FAPoSE Act

Section II: Eligibility
2.1) Former Presidents of Southern Regional Atlasian extraction maybe eligible to have Tokens minted by the Southern Region.
2.2) Presidents elected while not registered in the Southern region are not eligible for this honor.
2.3) Presidents will be eligible once their term ends.
2.4) Presidents elected prior to the establishment of the Southern Region are ineligible.

Section III: Designs
3.1) Designs shall contain southern symbols. Non-southern or Federal symbols shall not be depicted.
3.2) The obverse shall have the profile of the President in being honored. The flags of the State (of the presidents registration) and Region shall be depicted fluttering behind the president. The name, presidential number and party affiliation shall also be depicted.
3.3) The reverse shall contain the contain the following Southern symbols:
    a) Southern Regional Flower (Cherokee Rose)
    b) Southern Regional Animal (Golden Retriever)
    c) The Flag of the South
    d) The Southern Regional Motto
3.4) Tokens shall be minted in silver.

Section IV: General Governance
4.1) Proceeds from the tokens will be added to the treasury as general revenue.
4.2) Tokens will be sold at the 20% above the cost of production or at the market rate of silver (which ever is higher).
4.3) Mint runs will be no less than 5,000 tokens per president.
4.4) Tokens are not legal tender in Atlasia.

Sponsor: Deputy Speaker Muaddib

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Presidents of the South should be honored by the Southern Regional Government. I fell that this gives former presidents from our great region, recognition for their service to the Atlasian people. These proposed tokens will provide a specific southern honor.

I hope my fellow delegates will embrace the spirit of this bill.

[Former President tack50]

Can't wait to get my hands on the President WB tokens

[tmthforu94]

Love the name!! Always thought that a bill that had my name in it would be about raccoons, but coins will do.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Mr. Speaker,
As the sponsor of this bill I have looked into this (if only a little) I put forward the following information for the chamber and the Governor;

A 3d hand sculpted die costs an average of $750-$1250 per die. A 3d plaster portrait die costs an average of $1750 - $1950 per die. Remember: 2 dies are required to produce a coin!

Sculpted dies allow for much greater detail... They may also be used for very intricate or highly detailed designs. Sculpted dies cost $1,500+

Life span of a die
...average dies for mirror finish medallions can stamp about 10,000 pieces before they start to wear out, and dies for frosted or antiqued finish medallions can stamp about 35,000 pieces before showing signs of wear.

The die for the Reverse side would be used for the other presidential tokens.
Then the cost of the materials would be either from the existing precious metals reserve of bought off the market.

So a lot of these figures as a little fluid depending on finish, style of die etc.

As I look it up the market rate of silver is about $15/oz. So some very rough maths.
Using 1/2oz tokens for a mint run of 5,000. That about $40,000 ball park figure per President.
My count from wiki info leads me to believe that the are 6 eligible Southern Presidents.
1) Leinad (38)
2) North Carolina Yankee (41 & 45)
3) D.F.W. Libertylover (42)
4) Fhtagn (44)
5) Weatherboy (46)
6) Tmthforu (47)

So this makes a run for all 6 about $240,000 ($280,000 if NCY is minted for both his terms as 41 then 45).
 

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Any reason for ignoring pre-reset Southern presidents?

[Pericles]

Guess this creates an incentive for presidential candidates in Lincoln or Fremont to move to the South lol.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Any reason for ignoring pre-reset Southern presidents?

Because the South didn't exist in its current state before then.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Any reason for ignoring pre-reset Southern presidents?

Because the South didn't exist in its current state before then.

It all but did, but that's not my point anyway.
My point is, why not also include pre-reset presidents who resided in the states that now form the South.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This is a great bill.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

My point is, why not also include pre-reset presidents who resided in the states that now form the South.

One has to draw a line somewhere and the most logical spot to my mind was the start of the South as it currently stands.


I motion for a final vote. 24 hours to object.

[Adam Griffin]

Any reason for ignoring pre-reset Southern presidents?

Because the South didn't exist in its current state before then.

It all but did, but that's not my point anyway.
My point is, why not also include pre-reset presidents who resided in the states that now form the South.

The bill in its current format is designed to avoid giving me a coin, pure and simple. They really went out of their way to guarantee that with the 4 clauses in Section 2; after all, there were virtually no actual Southern Presidents for like 10 years in the game besides Duke and myself (the pre-/post-reset delineation is a convenient stopping point). Seems like they'd want to honor as many as possible given our relative absence over the past 15 years, but thankfully, after my ascension to the White House, we did have a deluge of Southron Presidents follow me. It's simply more whitewashing of me being the first post-reset President!

The fact that our former President Tmth (who only counts as being "Southern" because he threatened to sink the 3-region plan at ConCon if we didn't include KS in the South, contrary to the will of The People) is the figurehead of this legislation while I'm excluded is the perfect example of the forces at work here!

[AustralianSwingVoter]

My point is, why not also include pre-reset presidents who resided in the states that now form the South.

One has to draw a line somewhere and the most logical spot to my mind was the start of the South as it currently stands.

You could at minimum include Presidents from the Old South too.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

My point is, why not also include pre-reset presidents who resided in the states that now form the South.

One has to draw a line somewhere and the most logical spot to my mind was the start of the South as it currently stands.

You could at minimum include Presidents from the Old South too.

No, I believe that for at least an initial minting this bill is fine as is.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

As there have been no objections voting will now commence on S.19.2-24 TMTH FAPoSE Act.
Sound the bells (Delegates will be DM'd).

Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted, which ever comes first.

Voting options are:
[   ] Aye
[   ] Nay
[   ] Abstain

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Aye

[PragmaticPopulist]

Aye

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Aye

[reagente]

aye

[HillGoose]

Aye

[courts]

aye

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

VOTING IS CLOSED for S.19.2-24 TMTH FAPoSE Act.

Final Vote tally for S.19.2-24:
[ 6 ] Aye
[ 0 ] Nay
[ 0 ] Abstain
[ 1 ] Absent (Misseees)

S.19.2-24 TMTH FAPoSE Act Passes

The bill now awaits the governors signature:

Section I: Title
This shall be known as the Tokens Minted To Honor Former Atlasian Presidents of Southern Extraction Act or the TMTH FAPoSE Act

Section II: Eligibility
2.1) Former Presidents of Southern Regional Atlasian extraction maybe eligible to have Tokens minted by the Southern Region.
2.2) Presidents elected while not registered in the Southern region are not eligible for this honor.
2.3) Presidents will be eligible once their term ends.
2.4) Presidents elected prior to the establishment of the Southern Region are ineligible.

Section III: Designs
3.1) Designs shall contain southern symbols. Non-southern or Federal symbols shall not be depicted.
3.2) The obverse shall have the profile of the President in being honored. The flags of the State (of the presidents registration) and Region shall be depicted fluttering behind the president. The name, presidential number and party affiliation shall also be depicted.
3.3) The reverse shall contain the contain the following Southern symbols:
    a) Southern Regional Flower (Cherokee Rose)
    b) Southern Regional Animal (Golden Retriever)
    c) The Flag of the South
    d) The Southern Regional Motto
3.4) Tokens shall be minted in silver.

Section IV: General Governance
4.1) Proceeds from the tokens will be added to the treasury as general revenue.
4.2) Tokens will be sold at the 20% above the cost of production or at the market rate of silver (which ever is higher).
4.3) Mint runs will be no less than 5,000 tokens per president.
4.4) Tokens are not legal tender in Atlasia.

[tmthforu94]

FYI to what President Griffin said above, for anyone who wants to know what actually happened/was said during the ConCon regarding TM "threatening" the ConCon over Kansas being in the South. Griffin seems to keep painting a much worse picture of TM than what is historically accurate. Read through that thread - it's a fun read on an exciting time in Atlasian history!

NayVoting Aye because I don't want to be an obstructionist, but I have reservations that are listed below...

Considering the entire premise of this amendment is determining where the regions are going and what they will be named, it doesn't make sense to be adopting this if you just plan on making amendments down the road.

For me, having Kansas in the Pacific is a bit of a non-starter in terms of the map (though it won't affect my final vote on the constitution). While I understand the argument geographically, when you consider that over 80% of the population is on the east and south side of the state, it would be absolutely terrible for the state if it were put in a separate region from Oklahoma and Kansas. I understand it may be small to some, but as the only person in here that is actually from the state, I know that if this were adopted in reality, well, it wouldn't be adopted in reality, because people would point out what a terrible decision it would be. I understand that some don't think it is a big issue, but for practically reasons, it would undoubtedly hurt the citizens in the state that I come from.

Additionally, as I said before, states shouldn't be named after historical figures - think how confusing it will be to new members when we say "you're in the Fremont region" - especially those who aren't from America! Keep it simple - North, Southeast (IDS), and West.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

it would be absolutely terrible for [Kansas] if it were put in a separate region from Oklahoma and [Missouri].

I agree with 2015's Tmth (the Ghost of ConCons Past?) —all three states should be immediately ceded to Frémont! We could even mint commemorative coins if that would sweeten the deal.

[tmthforu94]

it would be absolutely terrible for [Kansas] if it were put in a separate region from Oklahoma and [Missouri].

I agree with 2015's Tmth (the Ghost of ConCons Past?) —all three states should be immediately ceded to Frémont! We could even mint commemorative coins if that would sweeten the deal.

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