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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2019, 08:10:54 AM »

She should be stripped of any committee assignments relating to Foreign Policy or National Security and then the Dems should back a primary challenge against her 

This is a start, but deportation is the only real solution at this point.

Republicans have been saying this for 20 years. "People who are critical of our policies or the affect it has on the state's ethical priorities or judgment are enemies of the state and should be at least excluded from participation in our state and preferably physically excluded from it".

"Love it or leave it."

At she theoretically has a place to go. Someone like me who has been told this two or three times. Who do you think would take me if you deported me? Italy? Ireland? The UK? Do I just end up in gitmo or a boat that I'm never allowed off of? I say this only mostly in jest.
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2019, 08:11:49 AM »

She should be stripped of any committee assignments relating to Foreign Policy or National Security and then the Dems should back a primary challenge against her 

This is a start, but deportation is the only real solution at this point.

Republicans have been saying this for 20 years. "People who are critical of our policies or the affect it has on the state's ethical priorities or judgment are enemies of the state and should be at least excluded from participation in our state and preferably physically excluded from it".

Deportation of a sitting Congressman is a core part of the Republican Party's heritage. Lincoln himself started the tradition.
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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2019, 08:16:58 AM »

Oh and there are other anti-Americans in Congress such as Steve King and if Roy Moore won he would have been an Anti-American senator .

Your whataboutism is irrelevant, especially when what they've said isn't comparable, & especially when she isn't even anti-American.

You're tilting at windmills. The real reason the right thinks (and says) Omar is "anti-American" is that:

-she's not white
-she's a woman
-she speaks out against them

All the rest is just excuses.

Remember, when the right-wing says "Anti-American" what they mean is "Anti-Republican".  Because to the Republicans, "America" isn't about a set of ideals, it's about them being in charge. For Republicans, as with their criticism of Omar, all the rest - the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, two centuries of (imperfect) support for freedom,  civil rights, and a better world - are just window dressing for their real agenda: them in charge, forever.  If you want a perfect demonstration, look no farther than Mr. Trump, and how the Republicans have abandoned their positions on everything from Russia to the Constitution in order to support him. 
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2019, 08:20:04 AM »

Oh and there are other anti-Americans in Congress such as Steve King and if Roy Moore won he would have been an Anti-American senator .

Your whataboutism is irrelevant, especially when what they've said isn't comparable, & especially when she isn't even anti-American.

You're tilting at windmills. The real reason the right thinks (and says) Omar is "anti-American" is that:

-she's not white
-she's a woman
-she speaks out against them

All the rest is just excuses.

Remember, when the right-wing says "Anti-American" what they mean is "Anti-Republican".  Because to the Republicans, "America" isn't about a set of ideals, it's about them being in charge. For Republicans, as with their criticism of Omar, all the rest - the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, two centuries of (imperfect) support for freedom,  civil rights, and a better world - are just window dressing for their real agenda: them in charge, forever.  If you want a perfect demonstration, look no farther than Mr. Trump, and how the Republicans have abandoned their positions on everything from Russia to the Constitution in order to support him. 

Its like the state is their private property and that everyone who isn't in condominium is either a licensee or a trespassee. There are no "citizens".
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2019, 08:22:37 AM »

Remember, when the right-wing says "Anti-American" what they mean is "Anti-Republican".  Because to the Republicans, "America" isn't about a set of ideals, it's about them being in charge.

And Democrats believe in "American ideals"? The Constitution, economic liberty, rule of law?...
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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2019, 08:46:42 AM »

Oh Tucker Carlson. He's my hero since he advised Donald not to engage in a war with Iran. It's a pity he changed John Bolton for the congresswoman...
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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2019, 08:55:14 AM »

Imagine being an American citizen for 19 years & still being labeled as un-American & unpatriotic smh

Don’t like Tucker at all but he is correct In that  Omar has contempt for this nation . She  has proven time and time again that she is an completely ungrateful person who dislikes the nation who gave her a much better life .


Remember she once implied that the US troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia in 93 .

Just to be clear, this is the quote of hers which he responded to with his racist rant:

Quote from: Ilhan Omar
"I grew up in an extremely unjust society, and the only thing that made my family excited about coming to the United States was that the United States was supposed to be the country that guaranteed justice to all. So, I feel it necessary for me to speak about that promise that's not kept."

She said she loves America & wants us to live up to our potential. This isn't contempt for our nation. It's patriotism.

Ok Tucker using that quote was dumb but she has past quotes to prove she has contempt for this nation


In a tweet which was about the worst terrorist attacked in Somalian history she said that the US troops committed the biggest attack . She has countless more examples showing her contempt of this nation

No, she didn't say that American troops committed the biggest terrorist attack in Somalian history. The actual context was that Al Franken tweeted "Devastating news that the terrorist attack in Somalia has now claimed the lives of at least 230; the worst attack in the country's history," which somebody replied to by saying, "Actually, the worst terrorist attack in Somalia history was the Battle of Mogadishu- 19 US armed forces dead and 73 wounded," prompting somebody else to reply, ""All lives matter" even though 230 is more than 10 times 19," to which she replied, "In his selective memory, he forgets to also mention the thousands of Somalis killed by the American forces that day! #NotTodaySatan"... so no, she wasn't criticizing American forces; she was simply commenting on how somebody else had shown a complete disregard for the lives of innocent Somalis caught in the crossfire of the Black Hawk Down operation.




That literally is her implying that American Troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia In that case context makes things far worse for her not better.


Oh and there are other anti-Americans in Congress such as Steve King

No. It's not. If you, y'know, literally took 1 second to look into the facts of what went down during that 1993 Black Hawk Down military operation in Mogadishu, then you would know that (& understand that what she's referring to is that) there were many innocent Somalis caught in the crossfire of the operation, & that she (unlike the person she was responding to) wasn't disregarding their lives as well. That's not the same thing as implying it was a terrorist attack though, let alone calling it one, & she's not the one who did, so stop acting as if it was her who did because, again, it wasn't.


No you are wrong here:


The original tweet was talking about what was the biggest terrorist attack in Somalia history and so was the Franklin Tweet responding to it then Omar responded by saying " In his selective memory, he forgets to also mention the thousands of Somalis killed by the American forces that day!" .

It cant get any clearer

I legitimately quoted the entirety of the relevant twitter theard within my earlier reply, so, in actuality, it can't get any clearer than that really.


And the twitter thread was what I was addressing and thats exactly what was talked about

Yes, but in addressing it, you were mischaracterizing what she said as a result of having ignored the full context.

No I am the one considering all the context

Beep boop. Critical thinking and Analysis functions disabled. Run Omar is anti-American Loop. Repeat. Beep boop. Repeat. Beep boop....
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2019, 08:57:59 AM »

Not a huge fan of Omar, but I tend to take things Tucker says with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2019, 09:23:36 AM »
« Edited: July 11, 2019, 09:47:42 AM by 136or142 »

Remember, when the right-wing says "Anti-American" what they mean is "Anti-Republican".  Because to the Republicans, "America" isn't about a set of ideals, it's about them being in charge.

And Democrats believe in "American ideals"? The Constitution, economic liberty, rule of law?...

If by 'economic liberty' you mean limited government regulations, that's never been an American ideal. Only in the warped mind of those who fall for right wing propaganda and revisionist history has that ever been an American ideal in fact or as an ideal.

Thomas Jefferson essentially wanted to limit bank loans to prevent the new industrial expansion as was seen in England at the time of the writing of the Constitution, to maintain the United States as a nation of 'yeoman farmers.' This was why he opposed a central bank.  He wanted to greatly limit the ability of banks to operate fractional reserve lending in the hopes of preventing the amount of lending that would have been needed to finance industry.

Of course the comparison is hardly fair to Jefferson, but it serves to illustrate the point, in modern times, the leaders who implemented policies to keep their nations agrarian were Mao Tse Tung in China and Pol Pot in Cambodia.

So much for limited government regulations (or the bullsh**t  term 'economic liberty') as an American ideal!

Of course, the reason Jefferson wanted to do this, was for the very valid reason that he was afraid of a nation dominated by very wealthy and powerful industrialists as had developed in England even prior to the Industrial Revolution (the trading corporations behind the explorations.)  

Of course, the Republican policies under the bullsh**t term 'economic liberty' have led to this plutocracy in the United States.

So, it was never an ideal in historical fact, and it's only an ideal now to those who fall for bullsh**t propaganda.
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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2019, 10:36:07 AM »

Shes clearly anti-American.
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« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2019, 10:38:08 AM »

What a compelling argument. You sure changed my mind.
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« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2019, 10:46:39 AM »

Not this s**t again.

This whole business with Omar and how blue avatars behave is a clear example of how they’re willing to throw out context whenever convenient and make up whatever bs they want.

And I actually do think Omar has made several statements that cross the line. It’s just much harder to take criticism of her seriously when you guys try to construe every single statement of hers in completely ridiculous, illogical ways, in order to present as a “scandal”.
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« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2019, 10:50:04 AM »

Not this s**t again.

This whole business with Omar and how blue avatars behave is a clear example of how they’re willing to throw out context whenever convenient and make up whatever bs they want.

And I actually do think Omar has made several statements that cross the line. It’s just much harder to take criticism of her seriously when you guys try to construe every single statement of hers in completely ridiculous, illogical ways, in order to present as a “scandal”.

It's also hard to take seriously when anybody who voted for the ignoramus psychopath Donald Trump to be President must, by definition, have contempt for their own country.
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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2019, 11:17:28 AM »

I'm hoping to see MANY more hijab-wearing progressive congresswomen and senators. The deplorables are getting SO worked up over just Omar. Give them 3 or 4 at the same time and their heads might explode.

Agreed I want Dems to have progressives like Biden and not Socialists . Just like I want GOP to have Conservatives like Romney and not Right Wing Populists like Trump .


In the UK I would much rather Have Sadiq Khan be Labour Leader than Jermey Corbyn

There are very, very few Democratic politicians who are actually socialists. Sanders and AOC don't support workers owning the means of production or nationalizing industry.
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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2019, 11:40:56 AM »

Tucker is a white supremacist and anybody defending him is a white supremacist.
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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2019, 11:47:00 AM »

I'm hoping to see MANY more hijab-wearing progressive congresswomen and senators. The deplorables are getting SO worked up over just Omar. Give them 3 or 4 at the same time and their heads might explode.

Agreed I want Dems to have progressives like Biden and not Socialists . Just like I want GOP to have Conservatives like Romney and not Right Wing Populists like Trump .


In the UK I would much rather Have Sadiq Khan be Labour Leader than Jermey Corbyn

There are very, very few Democratic politicians who are actually socialists. Sanders and AOC don't support workers owning the means of production or nationalizing industry.
All they will do is ignore you or tell you that you are wrong but provide no actual argument. It's just how NPC scripts work. I get frustrated by these "free thinking individuals" too.
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2019, 11:47:01 AM »

Tucker is a white supremacist and anybody defending him is a white supremacist.

They're very fine people.
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2019, 12:28:53 PM »

She should be stripped of any committee assignments relating to Foreign Policy or National Security and then the Dems should back a primary challenge against her 

This is a start, but deportation is the only real solution at this point.

You wouldn't be saying this if it were a white male congressman. 
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« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2019, 12:32:29 PM »

She should be stripped of any committee assignments relating to Foreign Policy or National Security and then the Dems should back a primary challenge against her  

This is a start, but deportation is the only real solution at this point.

You wouldn't be saying this if it were a white male congressman.  


I wish I could say it for Bernie Sanders, but unfortunately we have nowhere to send him, and he is okay for controlled opposition. I have always said it about Piers Morgan, but he is not a Congressman fortunately by virtue of anyone crazy enough to support him not being closely packed within a contiguous district
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« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2019, 01:36:10 PM »

Remember, when the right-wing says "Anti-American" what they mean is "Anti-Republican".  Because to the Republicans, "America" isn't about a set of ideals, it's about them being in charge.

And Democrats believe in "American ideals"? The Constitution, economic liberty, rule of law?...

Rather much so , I would argue. The only distinction would be economic Liberty oh, but only if one defines that has the oligarchic Enron style crony capitalism that Republicans are enamored with where nothing can't be solved with a upper income tax cut and decreasing unionization and environmental regulation.
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« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2019, 01:45:54 PM »

Don’t like Tucker at all but he is correct In that  Omar has contempt for this nation . She  has proven time and time again that she is an completely ungrateful person who dislikes the nation who gave her a much better life .


Remember she once implied that the US troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia in 93 .




Tucker has said horrible and racist things many times before but him saying Omar holds contempt for this nation is not one of them

This. I hope Omar gets successfully primaried next year. She and Steve King are the worst members of the House from each side.
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« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2019, 02:14:20 PM »

Don’t like Tucker at all but he is correct In that  Omar has contempt for this nation . She  has proven time and time again that she is an completely ungrateful person who dislikes the nation who gave her a much better life .


Remember she once implied that the US troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia in 93 .




Tucker has said horrible and racist things many times before but him saying Omar holds contempt for this nation is not one of them

This. I hope Omar gets successfully primaried next year. She and Steve King are the worst members of the House from each side.

She's probably not even in the bottom 20. She is though, one of the worst Democrats
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« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2019, 02:38:33 PM »

Don’t like Tucker at all but he is correct In that  Omar has contempt for this nation . She  has proven time and time again that she is an completely ungrateful person who dislikes the nation who gave her a much better life .


Remember she once implied that the US troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia in 93 .




Tucker has said horrible and racist things many times before but him saying Omar holds contempt for this nation is not one of them

This. I hope Omar gets successfully primaried next year. She and Steve King are the worst members of the House from each side.

To unironically compare Omar to Steve King is laughable.
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« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2019, 02:41:11 PM »

Don’t like Tucker at all but he is correct In that  Omar has contempt for this nation . She  has proven time and time again that she is an completely ungrateful person who dislikes the nation who gave her a much better life .


Remember she once implied that the US troops committed a terrorist attack in Somalia in 93 .




Tucker has said horrible and racist things many times before but him saying Omar holds contempt for this nation is not one of them

This. I hope Omar gets successfully primaried next year. She and Steve King are the worst members of the House from each side.

To unironically compare Omar to Steve King is laughable.

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« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2019, 02:51:44 PM »

Just for clarification, I sympathize with her positions and can understand her frustrations. But that has nothing to do with whether she actually hates the country. She does hate America.



Not really interested in changing your mind
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