Oregon Republican Party launches recall campaign against Kate Brown

[NOVA Green]

'Pubs took massive hits in the OR State House & Senate races in '18 looking at the swings compared to previous elections (Although not necessarily losing OR-SEN seats in '18).

I'd forgotten that Nova the Beaver State expert still rode among us.

What interests me is why these "massive swings" occured when Kate Brown fared virtually the same as Kitzhaber in 2010-2014, and worse than her 2016 election?

More downballot ticket splitting?

Incidentally, another question I've long wondered: how is OR-02 ("Western Idaho"), trending?

Sorry.... *grabs coat and hat and walks out the door*, is a weekday and my wife has the day off....

Love your Irish sarcasm, and reminds me of my Grandmother on my Fathers side....   

The Oregon Democratic Party is an extremely decentralized political party compared to many other States in the Union....

Party control and selection of candidates is nothing like it is in places in the Northeast and Upper-Midwest.

Kitzhaber got shown the door and Kate inherited the position pending a GE scenario in a non-standard election....

Regardless of Oregonians opinions of Kate as GOV, the Republican brand was smashed among traditional Republican voters in the last refuges of Metro PDX, and even in similar communities in Salem, Eugene, Southern Oregon, and Central Oregon....

2018 OR GE in statewide election was more of a rejection of the National Republican brand than an endorsement of Kate (Who is the poster-girl for all of the rage of OR 'Pubs that don't have a grip on reality).

Anyways--- OR-02 is an entirely different story, but after OR gains an additional US-House seat in the 2020 Census, might become even more interesting than it has been.

[CookieDamage]

Sigh. How low American politics has fallen (almost entirely Republican).....

FTFY

No. BOTH parties say and do atrocious things now. As i said earlier - that CoS of AOC is no better from my point of view, then Trump. It's good, that he is much less influential so far. But - who knows, what will be in the future? Generally - there is little, but lot of dirt, in US politics NOW....

imagine saying this. Self-congratulatory "moderate" circle-jerking is one hell of a drug.

Trump: Mexicans are rapists. Build the wall. Very fine people. Etc.

AOC chief of staff: Sharice Davids is a friend but her voting record is enabling racism.

Raging moderates: THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME!

[smoltchanov]

Sigh. How low American politics has fallen (almost entirely Republican).....

FTFY

No. BOTH parties say and do atrocious things now. As i said earlier - that CoS of AOC is no better from my point of view, then Trump. It's good, that he is much less influential so far. But - who knows, what will be in the future? Generally - there is little, but lot of dirt, in US politics NOW....

imagine saying this. Self-congratulatory "moderate" circle-jerking is one hell of a drug.

Trump: Mexicans are rapists. Build the wall. Very fine people. Etc.

AOC chief of staff: Sharice Davids is a friend but her voting record is enabling racism.

Raging moderates: THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME!

[offtopic]Yes, they are EXACT same. Both are idiots. And i don't classify idiots as "good idiots" and "bad idiots". All idiots are in the same group for me[/offtopic].

[Epaminondas]

Yes, they are EXACT same. Both are idiots. And i don't classify idiots as "good idiots" and "bad idiots". All idiots are in the same group for me.

You must have little idea what it's like to live outside Putin's Russia to utter such gobbledygook.

imagine saying this.

I'm relieved I'm not the only one he annoys.
Imagine priding yourself on the intellectual inability to make moral distinctions.

If I had a stronger standing here I'd vote to ban him, even oddballs such as Lechasseur and Bagel at least have a stance on something.

[Xing]

Funny, I’ve never seen the moderate heroes scream BoTh SiDeS when a Democrat does/says something stupid. It’s only ever a deflection to Republican stupidity, which they probably know deep down is far more toxic and malicious, but intentionally argue in bad faith to preserve their “unbiased” image.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

[Ilhan Apologist]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

[Fuzzy Bear]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

[brucejoel99]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

Seriously, this. The underlying quality of a recall is that, if you can't win an election the normal way, then you can use the recall process to instead hold an off-season special election where the far smaller electorate may be more favorable to you. This isn't representative democracy.

[Ilhan Apologist]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

Not if the legislature is full of partisan hacks.

[lfromnj]

I think a recall might be appropriate for Northam.(if they existed) It isn't exactly impeachable what he did but a recall is 100% appropriate there. Being a normal partisan governor doesn't mean you should get recalled.

[Ilhan Apologist]

I think a recall might be appropriate for Northam.(if they existed) It isn't exactly impeachable what he did but a recall is 100% appropriate there. Being a normal partisan governor doesn't mean you should get recalled.

Yeah, this.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

Not if the legislature is full of partisan hacks.

Firstly, liberals and Democrats ought to be opposed to recall provisions because the proposals are almost always used more effectively against THEM than against Republicans.

Secondly, the argument here isn't always true.  A "partisan hack" legislature in Arizona impeached and removed conservative Republican Evan Meacham in 1987, even though his successor would be Democratic Secretary of State Rose Mofford.

Too often, the reason for these "recalls" is that some parochial proposal is being rejected by the whole.  It takes a majority to recall a Governor, but it only takes a small minority to call up a recall, which does nothing but consume money and disrupt orderly state government.  They are NOT democratic; they are anti-democratic and in this age of Citizens United, they are an invitation for monied interests to manipulate the populace with ads that are often factually incorrect.

Thirdly, "partisan hack" is a pejorative term that presumes that it's unreasonable for voters to expect their elective representatives to adhere to their party's platform.  Most of the Democrats on this forum don't want "Independent Democrats"; they WANT their Democratic elected officials to be "partisan hacks".  And there's nothing wrong with that; what voters want (by and large) is for their elected officials to vote the party line that they, the individual voters, are OK with.   

[Fuzzy Bear]

Funny, I’ve never seen the moderate heroes scream BoTh SiDeS when a Democrat does/says something stupid. It’s only ever a deflection to Republican stupidity, which they probably know deep down is far more toxic and malicious, but intentionally argue in bad faith to preserve their “unbiased” image.

"Both Sides" DO do "it".  It depends on when.

Right now, the Democratic House (or at least some of its members) are acting like complete jackasses, for the most part.  The Freedom Caucus, at times, actually appears to be the voice of sweet reason.  They have some of their looniest members grabbing microphones, making ridiculous statements, and their "Resistance" posture versus Trump is hardly that of a "loyal opposition".  This is a condensed statement, but it's basically the way it is right now.  The Democrats want to drive Trump from office, regardless of the merits.

Of course, when Obama was in office, the Freedom Caucus wished to shut down the government in order to starve it out and cause Obama's proposals to fail.  America witnessed the spectacle of a Senate Minority Leader publicly stating that his goal was to make Obama a one-term President.  The obstruction was the stuff of legends, extending to blocking a perfectly acceptable SCOTUS nominee from being considered simply because the GOP Senate Majority (at that time) was able to do so.  And they launched a crippling assault on Obamacare.  Obamacare was a compromise solution to attempt to bring about universal healthcare that was a work in progress; it required ongoing tinkering to keep it functioning to where it provided affordability.  Today, it's a program that will likely collapse of its own weight someday, and the willingness of the GOP to do everything to sabotage it is the main reason why.

So, yes, both sides do it.  I dread what the GOP will do if Democrats win a majority.  I expected the Democrats to be worse than the GOP during the Obama years, out of a sense of unmitigated desire for retribution.  I expect the same from the GOP if a Democrat is elected.  To be sure, I'm not expecting good things, barring a major attitude change on both sides of the political fence.

[NOVA Green]

So how did a thread about the collapse of the former strong and brave and bi-partisan Republican Party attempting a recall of a Democratic Governor turn into a thread about all sorts of other crap?

The Oregon Republican Party has become a pale and shallow rump of a former Moderate/Liberal 'Pub Party that not only dominated Oregon politics for decades with legendary names such as Mark Hatfield and Tom Mccall, and is now retreating to a party of cheaters and hoaxers who prey on the resentment of "Downstate Oregon Voters" using themes such as Guns, Gays, and God, not to mention the traditional Goldwater/Reagan Republican resentment on issues like "property rights" (Which in Oregon generally involve property rights of large timber companies with massive acreage of forests combined with the owners of the high rise real estate properties in Metro PDX).

Many downstate Republican Oregonians despite Kate Brown, whom they see as a "Gun-Seizing Socialist, extremist environmentalist, dominated by Metro Portland, slave to the Democratic Politicians in Salem".

Reality is that the Oregon Republican Part dug their own grave when they allowed the Oregon Citizens Alliance (OCA) to take over the Oregon Republican Party and the statewide brand, on a platform of homophobia and religious extremism....

Initially the strategy of blaming Urban Environmentalist for the Collapse of the Oregon Timber Industry appeared brilliant within the context of Oregon Politics.

Breed the resentment because of decades of over-cutting and non-sustainable forest practices.

Big timber companies such as Georgia-Pacific , Weyerhaeuser, Louisiania-Pacific, had long been shifting operations to the Southeast and Appalachia after raping the forests of the PacNW.

The Millworkers of Oregon saw the writing on the wall, but within "logging country" and among small family owned mills the argument that "radical environmentalists" were the cause of the decline of the Oregon Timber Industry created an argument that many downstate Oregon Republicans exploited back in the late '80s to the mid '90s.....

Lies are are lies.... Spotted Owls don't nest outside of Walmart parking lots like Denny Smith claimed back in '90 (OR-CD-05 (R) )....

Decline of $$$ to local small town and rural downstate Oregon Communities because of the Timber compensation program that Bill Clinton approved under "Option 9" (Least favorable from the Oregon Environmentalist perspective) expired. Meanwhile Oregon changes it's provision of resourcing for Ed so it's not based upon property taxes and school districts so that HS students in places like Sweet Home and Cottage Grove can have PCs in the classroom....

https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/timber_industry/#.XTVUG-hKjIU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana-Pacific

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Citizens_Alliance

Current crop of OR-Pubs are a bunch of nutters....

They got wiped out in Metro PSX in '18.... massive swings in Metro Salem....

Even parts of Southern and Eastern Oregon should be giant red flags for Oregon Republicans....

Instead they are like Ostriches, bury head in sand, stick with the 'Pub leader, support crazy policies on a wide variety of issues, and somehow don't understand why the vast majority of Oregonians don't subscribe to their political positions....

Next tactic.... "Lets recall Kate Brown"   (Why?).   

I was actually surprised Kate won by the margin she did in '18, considering what I know about Oregon politics....

IDK why the OR Pubs are trying this stunt, but it's not going to work.... Whatever Crystal Meth / Sativa or Indica Mix they have in their Blunts it's not going to play well in Oregon, where we are a State that prides ourselves on clean politics....

Please---- anyone and everyone that is rambling on this thread bcs of ntl politics don't post unless you have something to say about Oregon politics....

50% of the Posts on this thread are crap and irrelevant to anything involving Oregon Politics.... so take your s**t and debates elsewhere unless you have something real to say about my home state of 40+ yrs....

[Canis]

yall imagine if this works and we get another Oregon governor election that would have to be some kind of record 4 governor elections in 6 years

[brucejoel99]

yall imagine if this works and we get another Oregon governor election that would have to be some kind of record 4 governor elections in 6 years

In the modern day, at least, a record for a state that normally holds its gubernatorial elections every 4 years, i.e. every state except VT & NH.

[President Johnson]

yall imagine if this works and we get another Oregon governor election that would have to be some kind of record 4 governor elections in 6 years

In the modern day, at least, a record for a state that normally holds its gubernatorial elections every 4 years, i.e. every state except VT & NH.

Even three is only matched by California, as the 2003 recall was held less than a year after the regular 2002 election.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

Seriously, this. The underlying quality of a recall is that, if you can't win an election the normal way, then you can use the recall process to instead hold an off-season special election where the far smaller electorate may be more favorable to you. This isn't representative democracy.

Yup. Off elections and ballot measures shouldn't exist either.

[brucejoel99]

I oppose recall petitions.  They give electoral minorities the ability to disrupt orderly government. 

There is no cause to recall Kate Brown.

What if a governor is doing something really disastrous for the state, and getting rid of them can't wait until the next election?

That's what impeachment is for.  If it's awful enough, they'll be indicted or impeached (and probably removed).  That you don't like someone's policies isn't a reason.

Seriously, this. The underlying quality of a recall is that, if you can't win an election the normal way, then you can use the recall process to instead hold an off-season special election where the far smaller electorate may be more favorable to you. This isn't representative democracy.

Yup. Off elections and ballot measures shouldn't exist either.

Agree with you on off-year elections. Coming from my state, though, disagree on ballot measures.

[LiberalDem19]

Man, these people are dumber than the Minnesota Republicans. 9 months after getting their asses handed to them, they try to recall the woman who beat them by 6.5%. Honestly, if the GOP brand wasn't so toxic in coastal metros, they could probably flip states like Oregon.