The 150th Edition of College Football - Discussion and Pick 'Em Thread

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I miss the Pac 12 of 2011-2014 when they were the 2nd best conference year after year and in 2012 arguably the best conference . The BCS robbed the Ducks blind in 2012 when they awarded Alabama number 2 spot over Oregon despite the fact that Alabama lost to a far worse team than Oregon did by a larger margin as well .


I so wish there was a playoff that year because the would have won it all that year



2014 Mark Helfrich completely blew the title game with horrible coaching which foreshadowed how bad 2016-17 would be once the bulk of the team no longer was there

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I miss the Pac 12 of 2011-2014 when they were the 2nd best conference year after year and in 2012 arguably the best conference . The BCS robbed the Ducks blind in 2012 when they awarded Alabama number 2 spot over Oregon despite the fact that Alabama lost to a far worse team than Oregon did by a larger margin as well .


I so wish there was a playoff that year because the would have won it all that year



2014 Mark Helfrich completely blew the title game with horrible coaching which foreshadowed how bad 2016-17 would be once the bulk of the team no longer was there

While you're obviously correct that there should have been a playoff in 2012 and any other year, Alabama lost to Texas A&M (finished #t5 that year), while Oregon lost to Stanford (finished #7 that year). Alabama beat 3 teams that finished ranked (not counting Notre Dame) - 14 LSU, t5 Georgia, and 24 Michigan, while Oregon's only win over a team that finished ranked was 20 Oregon State. Alabama also won the SEC, while Oregon didn't win the Pac-12.

On a related subject, what's your opinion of Mark Helfrich? He seems like a guy who would be a sneaky good hire at Mississippi State. Sure, he was bad that one year, but over 4 years, he was 37-16 (24-12 Pac-12) with two top 10 finishes and a playoff. Even in 2016, he had several close losses and it looks like they struggled with a true freshman QB who's really good now as a senior.

Our best years with Dan Mullen were running a HUNH run-oriented spread, and Helfrich is a guy who can bring that back, and he has what seems like a good resume on top of that.

Mark Helfrich is an excellent OC but not a good Head Coach. 2013 and 2014 Oregon blew many games cause of bad coaching even though they had the best QB in College Football and probably the best talent as well . The 2015 National Championship game is a huge example of this, Helfrich called that game terribly which cost us the game. He went for too many big plays on first and second down  when shot-medium passes would have worked .



Then in the 2016 Alamo Bowl Helfrich blew a 31-0 lead and the 2016 regular season was just horrible.


Anyway right now he is the OC of the Chicago Bears and I dont think he will leave that position in quite some time

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So A Georgia team who lost to a worse team than Oregon gets ranked higher . That’s is 100% BS

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So A Georgia team who lost to a worse team than Oregon gets ranked higher . That’s is 100% BS

At the end of the day, Georgia will have to prove it by beating Auburn. Technically, Georgia > Florida > Auburn > Oregon in my book, but the Auburn loss was in the swamp, and I have mad respect for the talent on Oregon. SP+ basically agrees with that assessment including the fact that Florida got lucky by not playing in Alabama. FPI only agrees with Georgia, but I believe has been much less reliable. You can still count it as a win, but Wazzu had Oregon beat. This sport is not just wins and losses but how you win and lose.

Perhaps the part of the rankings that I find most confounding is Michigan over a Wisconsin team that murdered them. Give me a break with Illinois. Going to OT with The Army is worse than losing to Illinois while trailing for zero seconds.

Oregon choked that Auburn game badly , just like Georgia choked against SC but Oregon is better than Auburn . If Oregon beats Utah that will beat any win by Georgia by the way because Florida Hasn’t beaten anyone as good as Utah .


Oregon was robbed in 2012 by a biased system favoring the SEC and Oregon was the best team that year .

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Why does Oregon always play badly when they have a chance to win it all(2010,2012,2014, 2019)

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I'm so angry at this committee's anti-SEC bias.  A motivated Auburn or Alabama team would wipe the floor with teams like Penn State, Baylor, Utah, and Wisconsin.  That they are ranked above those SEC teams shows that the committee still doesn't understand that the top half of the SEC is miles above any other conference.  SEC teams shouldn't be penalized for playing each other.  It's just like the ACC in basketball most years- an under .500 team from the best conference is probably better than teams with good records from most major conferences.

Also, hot take- Texas A&M should be in the top 15-20 based on the fact that they haven't lost to anyone outside the committee's top 12 (or reality's top 10- playing it conservatively) and have crushed everyone else.

Texas A&M barely beat Arkansas and Ole Miss....

you might be the only person in the country that think the committee is antiSEC. They have 2 teams in right now (and honestly Georgia doesn't deserve it considering they lost to a team that was just nuked by Clemson). Alabama has 2 losses and Auburn has 3, they deserve to be ranked below Baylor and Utah etc for sure. Also, Wisconsin is going to be big 10 championship game and has looked good as of late, no reason for them to be below Alabama and Auburn either.

Let's let the computers take a look: http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings

The SEC has 5 of the top 7, Texas A&M is indeed a top 20 team, and 10 SEC teams are in the top 33.  Virginia, the second best ACC team, would be 11th in the SEC.

The computers were the same ones that put Florida St over Miami in 2000, Nebraska over Oregon in 2001 , Oklahoma over USC in 2003 and if they were still used in 2014 would have had Florida St play Alabama in the National Title Game.

The SEC is also very overrated due to them playing weak nonconference schedule year in and year out . Also Auburn barely beat Oregon , and that took Oregon choking hard or Oregon wins that game handily. The idea their is an Anti-SEC bias is laughable. The idea they would wipe the floor with Utah is laughable, and the fact is Oregon when they are "on"(which they havent been all season) would "wipe the Floor" with the SEC this year whose defense this year is completely laughable but the fact is the choked huge in 2 games so they dont deserve to be in the playoffs.

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Also Auburn barely beat Oregon , and that took Oregon choking hard or Oregon wins that game handily. The idea their is an Anti-SEC bias is laughable. The idea they would wipe the floor with Utah is laughable, and the fact is Oregon when they are "on"(which they havent been all season) would "wipe the Floor" with the SEC this year whose defense this year is completely laughable but the fact is the choked huge in 2 games so they dont deserve to be in the playoffs.

Yeah, it's a shame that SEC teams keep playing weak out-of-conference opponents like Oregon, a team that would, at best, place fourth in the SEC West.

Lmao no , they would be 2nd behind LSU and if they played consistently number 1. The SEC this year is weak , just going off past glory and not much else .

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Why the hell didnt Oregon play like this against Arizona St, if they did we would be in the playoffs.

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This is stupid, thanks for letting OU or Baylor into the playoff, Oregon. (unless Georgia upsets LSU)

Yah them dropping the ball against AZ St caused OU , Baylor or Georgia to get in the playoffs

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This is stupid, thanks for letting OU or Baylor into the playoff, Oregon. (unless Georgia upsets LSU)

Yah them dropping the ball against AZ St caused OU , Baylor or Georgia to get in the playoffs

2/3 of them are without a doubt more deserving of a playoff spot than Oregon.  You can't discount bad losses just because they shouldn't have lost (according to you).  Oregon wasn't a good enough team this year.  They're Notre Dame-tier.

Lol no Oregon would whoop any SEC Team this year when playing like this and yes I agree Oregon doesnt deserve the playoffs because they did choke two games which they shouldnt have choked.


SEC defenses this year are a joke and Oregon when playing like this would whoop them and we have evidence as they were whooping Auburn until they compeltely choked . Oregon is one of the two best teams when they play to their potential which they havent done this season so they dont deserve it.


But this season is probably one of the biggest what ifs along with what if there was a playoff in 2012(we win that year as well) , what if the refs didnt make two jaw droppingly bad calls in the BCS title game vs Auburn and what if Dixon didnt get injured in 2007

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This is stupid, thanks for letting OU or Baylor into the playoff, Oregon. (unless Georgia upsets LSU)

Yah them dropping the ball against AZ St caused OU , Baylor or Georgia to get in the playoffs

2/3 of them are without a doubt more deserving of a playoff spot than Oregon.  You can't discount bad losses just because they shouldn't have lost (according to you).  Oregon wasn't a good enough team this year.  They're Notre Dame-tier.

Lol no Oregon would whoop any SEC Team this year when playing like this and yes I agree Oregon doesnt deserve the playoffs because they did choke two games which they shouldnt have choked.


SEC defenses this year are a joke and Oregon when playing like this would whoop them and we have evidence as they were whooping Auburn until they compeltely choked . Oregon is one of the two best teams when they play to their potential which they havent done this season so they dont deserve it.


But this season is probably one of the biggest what ifs along with what if there was a playoff in 2012(we win that year as well) , what if the refs didnt make two jaw droppingly bad calls in the BCS title game vs Auburn and what if Dixon didnt get injured in 2007

Your definition of choke seems to be = "my team lost and that should never happen"

Um no if you watched that Oregon vs Auburn , Oregon was clearly the better team but lost due to these 3-4 unforced errors:

- Making an Unforced Fumbe on 1st and goal (Fumble was returned to Oregon 10)

- Dropping an easy endzone catch

- Missing a less than 25 yard field goal

- Of course we still blew a 21-6 lead as well

Against AZ state:

- On 3rd and 16 we for some dumb reason went for sack which allowed AZ state to get a man wide open for a TD

- Stubbornly passing the ball despite that not working all night and running plays working

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This feels like a loss that's going to set our program back multiple years. I just can't see us having a team this talented any time soon.

You are a Utah Fan, I thought you would be a fan of Michigan or Michigan St

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Also Auburn barely beat Oregon , and that took Oregon choking hard or Oregon wins that game handily. The idea their is an Anti-SEC bias is laughable. The idea they would wipe the floor with Utah is laughable, and the fact is Oregon when they are "on"(which they havent been all season) would "wipe the Floor" with the SEC this year whose defense this year is completely laughable but the fact is the choked huge in 2 games so they dont deserve to be in the playoffs.

Yeah, it's a shame that SEC teams keep playing weak out-of-conference opponents like Oregon, a team that would, at best, place fourth in the SEC West.

Lmao no , they would be 2nd behind LSU and if they played consistently number 1. The SEC this year is weak , just going off past glory and not much else .

I said Oregon choked that game massively and also one of our key WR , Juwan Johnson was out due to injury during that game and still it took a massive choke for us to lose .

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Both of these can be true:

1. The SEC is the top conference this year.

2. The SEC is down a bit this year and is not overwhelmingly dominant.

The Big 10 is the best conference this year

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Oregon is finally back !!!!



From the wreckage of Helfrich’s tenure as coach

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My Final Top 10:
1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Alabama
5. Georgia
6. Oregon
7. Florida
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin

Lol at Bama being above Oregon or Georgia. Oregon played better again Auburn than Bama did(both teams did choke though) , and Oregon's bowl win was more impressive. Georgia clearly had more wins over quality opponents then Bama.


The Top 5 for this year are clearly

1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio St
4. Georgia
5. Oregon

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My Final Top 10:
1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Alabama
5. Georgia
6. Oregon
7. Florida
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin

Flip Wisconsin and Florida and I actually agree...Alabama undoubtedly punched their top 5 credentials, and you almost have to consider them higher. Outplayed Auburn in everything but the score line.

So did Oregon  and if you want to use lack of quality wins against Oregon , it is even a bigger hit against Bama cause at least Oregon took down a top 10 team in the Rose Bowl while Bama's only quality win was against Michigan who are no where near as good of a team as Wisconsin. 

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My Final Top 10:
1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Alabama
5. Georgia
6. Oregon
7. Florida
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin

Flip Wisconsin and Florida and I actually agree...Alabama undoubtedly punched their top 5 credentials, and you almost have to consider them higher. Outplayed Auburn in everything but the score line.

So did Oregon  and if you want to use lack of quality wins against Oregon , it is even a bigger hit against Bama cause at least Oregon took down a top 10 team in the Rose Bowl while Bama's only quality win was against Michigan who are no where near as good of a team as Wisconsin.  

Auburn outgained Oregon by 60 yards. Alabama outgained Auburn by a whopping 160 yards. These are the same thing.

Oregon was up 15 as well and clearly outplayed Auburn for the vast majority of the game(They were up in all but the last 10 seconds of that game). Using total yardage against Oregon is extremely misleading as Red Zone defense was one of Oregon's strengths this year which is why you would see teams over and over get to the Oregon 25 but would fail to capitalize over and over again.


Oregon didn't need to outgain teams this year to win, while Bama most certainly did as Oregon was a defensive-oriented team this year while Bama was an offensive one which is a reversal from the early 2010s.


The Rose Bowl was a huge example of this