Immigration hawks, where do you expect immigrants to come from?

[Santander]

Since EB-5 is so cheap, the US could attract a lot more quality middle-class immigrants if it did not have worldwide individual taxation.

[Santander]

Since EB-5 is so cheap, the US could attract a lot more quality middle-class immigrants if it did not have worldwide individual taxation.

Also Worldwide individual taxation is literally one of the most Immoral things that exists in the United States.

Something we can agree on 💯

[Santander]

Since EB-5 is so cheap, the US could attract a lot more quality middle-class immigrants if it did not have worldwide individual taxation.

Also Worldwide individual taxation is literally one of the most Immoral things that exists in the United States.

You benefit from being an American whether you're in America or not, in a way that citizens of other countries do not from their respective countries.

Territorial taxation would just give rich people an opportunity to shift money abroad to avoid taxes.

Because that worked out so well for Otto Warmbier. Please enlighten us on this form of American Exceptionalism. Sharing a taxation system with Burma and Eritrea is not exactly a badge of honor.

[Santander]

I mean, there are plenty of reasons to immigrate somewhere that aren't to do with the immediate impact on your income: life experience, curiosity, even career development.

That isn't immigration, that is international mobility. Expats aren't immigrants.

Immigrant, by definition, means taking up permanent residence in another country.

immigrant
NOUN
A person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/immigrant

[Santander]

I would be inclined to disagree. In practice,Temporary guest workers get called "immigrants" in practice - and most countries differentiate between non-permanent and permanent residency status, but people in both groups would be refered to as immigrants.

Expat is just a term for nice middle class people in well paid jobs to feel better about themselves.

I grew up with and have lived most of my life as an expat (both the compound type and the integrated type), and my entire life as an immigrant. Nobody I have encountered, whether from an Anglo-Saxon country or not, developed country or not, considered themselves an immigrant until they put down roots. They just considered themselves foreigners or expats, including my current colleagues, the majority of whom were born in the UK.

With that being said, for the purposes of this thread, the distinction is not particularly relevant.

[Santander]

I grew up as an immigrant too - and I know the phenomena that you're speaking of well. But the difference between how people perceive of themselves, and how they are perceived by the host country, is, well, it can be pretty drastic.

And of course, immigration statistics don't tend to differentiate there.

I certainly agree on both accounts there.

[Santander]

Many of them  don't want immigrants, unless they're white.

What's wrong with that?