UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[MaxQue]

So if Corbyn (or indeed some hypothetical "unity" figure) could get all non-Tory MPs behind them, they would at least have a chance.

Again, the issue isn't Corbyn. It is in the interest of Change UK and their spin-offs to have an election as late as possible, so their MPs don't get unemployed.

No, the entire issue is Corbyn.  He is toxic and I don't know why leftists here want to defend him.

I don't like Corbyn but he is less toxic than the "centrist" careerists of Change UK (who are polling 0%, so clearly I'm not alone thinking that).

[Zaybay]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-caretaker-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-a9064616.html

Jeremy Corbyn is leaving open the option of supporting an alternative caretaker prime minister, as he vows to do “everything necessary to stop a disastrous no-deal Brexit”.

In a speech in the midlands, the Labour leader will not rule out backing a different stopgap, after the Liberal Democrats and rebel Tories dismissed putting him in No 10 to avert a crash-out on 31 October.

Aides said he remained focused on seeking to persuade MPs to back him, if Boris Johnson can be toppled in a no-confidence vote – but described it only as the “simplest and most democratic” solution.

[JerryArkansas]

So if Corbyn (or indeed some hypothetical "unity" figure) could get all non-Tory MPs behind them, they would at least have a chance.

Again, the issue isn't Corbyn. It is in the interest of Change UK and their spin-offs to have an election as late as possible, so their MPs don't get unemployed.

No, the entire issue is Corbyn.  He is toxic and I don't know why leftists here want to defend him.

I don't like Corbyn but he is less toxic than the "centrist" careerists of Change UK (who are polling 0%, so clearly I'm not alone thinking that).

That's the same as comparing colon to pancreatic cancer.  They're both toxic and the issues surrounding them stem from that toxin.

[DaWN]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-caretaker-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-a9064616.html

Jeremy Corbyn is leaving open the option of supporting an alternative caretaker prime minister, as he vows to do “everything necessary to stop a disastrous no-deal Brexit”.

In a speech in the midlands, the Labour leader will not rule out backing a different stopgap, after the Liberal Democrats and rebel Tories dismissed putting him in No 10 to avert a crash-out on 31 October.

Aides said he remained focused on seeking to persuade MPs to back him, if Boris Johnson can be toppled in a no-confidence vote – but described it only as the “simplest and most democratic” solution.

Then what the f!ck was the point of the tantrum when it was suggested last week? I honestly think he's just f!cking with us at this point.

Anyway, I told you all it wouldn't matter, and yet...

[Blair]

So if Corbyn (or indeed some hypothetical "unity" figure) could get all non-Tory MPs behind them, they would at least have a chance.

Again, the issue isn't Corbyn. It is in the interest of Change UK and their spin-offs to have an election as late as possible, so their MPs don't get unemployed.

Well not really- all of change know they’re going to lose/retire so they’d happily back a Harman Govt in extending/revoking A50 and bowing out- the biggest egos and ones most worried about losing are Chukka, Heidi and Wollaston- all of whom are expected to run as Lib Dem’s and have a tiny chance of being elected.

They’re entire existence is about not thinking JC is fit to be Leader of Labour- so why would they make him PM when an alternative to stopping Brexit exists

[MaxQue]

So if Corbyn (or indeed some hypothetical "unity" figure) could get all non-Tory MPs behind them, they would at least have a chance.

Again, the issue isn't Corbyn. It is in the interest of Change UK and their spin-offs to have an election as late as possible, so their MPs don't get unemployed.

Well not really- all of change know they’re going to lose/retire so they’d happily back a Harman Govt in extending/revoking A50 and bowing out- the biggest egos and ones most worried about losing are Chukka, Heidi and Wollaston- all of whom are expected to run as Lib Dem’s and have a tiny chance of being elected.

They’re entire existence is about not thinking JC is fit to be Leader of Labour- so why would they make him PM when an alternative to stopping Brexit exists

Because that alternative doesn't exist and is not on table despite LD screams. It's Corbyn PM or No Deal Brexit.

[Silent Hunter]

Of course it exists, Corbyn can create it any time he wants.

[CumbrianLefty]

Alternatively, find some other way of avoiding no deal. But time is running out there.

[vileplume]

The danger for the Lib Dems isn't that people who like Corbyn will stop voting for them (which I agree there are very few of) but that those who lent them a vote to stop Brexit think they're blocking an attempt to stop no deal. You don't have to like Corbyn to think it was a tactical error to rule out a government lead by him before any discussions happened, something that neither the SNP, Plaid or Greens or even a couple of Tory rebels did.

The Lib Dem problem is that you can't court Conservative Remain voters in the south without losing dissatisfied Labour voters elsewhere. Not really a controversial statement.

Conservative Remain voters/soft Leave voters are electorally more important to the Lib Dems though for the simple reason that they're more prevalent in Lib Dem target seats. Focusing on Labour Remainers at the expense of Tory Remainers would see them get decent seconds in places like Lambeth and Islington but very few extra seats.

If there's one thing Tory Remainers hate more than Brexit it's Jerermy Corbyn so Swinson definitely made the correct electoral choice by not jumping into bed with him.

[CumbrianLefty]

Of course it exists, Corbyn can create it any time he wants.

I have to say, the idea people like you seem to have that Labour MPs would support some unelected "grandee" en masse - even if Corbyn said they should, itself highly unlikely - is far more improbable than that the leader of the opposition should be made PM for a few weeks to do literally one thing.

Total magical thinking.

[Silent Hunter]

They're not exactly supporting Corbyn, are they?

[CumbrianLefty]

The point is, all but a literal handful *will* support him in a VoNC and then as temporary PM.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Of course it exists, Corbyn can create it any time he wants.

I have to say, the idea people like you seem to have that Labour MPs would support some unelected "grandee" en masse - even if Corbyn said they should, itself highly unlikely - is far more improbable than that the leader of the opposition should be made PM for a few weeks to do literally one thing.

Total magical thinking.

Ah yes sorry, we all forgot that the parliamentary Labour party loves Jeremy Corbyn so much they will not accept anyone except him as Prime Minister...

Catch yourself on! You're the one magical thinking!

If this was truly about stopping no-deal (which it clearly isn't), obviously it wouldn't matter one bit if the Prime Minister is Corbyn or anyone else who support the idea of asking for an extension with the EU.

[Silent Hunter]

The point is, all but a literal handful *will* support him in a VoNC and then as temporary PM.

A literal handful is enough to stop him becoming PM... and he needs all the other opposition MPs.

[CumbrianLefty]

And the same holds for any hypothetical "third party" figure.

[DaWN]

And the same holds for any hypothetical "third party" figure.

Which is why this entire episode has probably been a complete waste of time from the very beginning.

[Silent Hunter]

There is probably enough support for a successful VoNC, but only to trigger another election.

[DaWN]

Lol. Literally none of the potential caretaker PMs are popular. British politics in a nutshell.

[Silent Hunter]

Yep. I hope I can still get my Pop Tarts in a No Deal then.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-caretaker-pm-stop-no-deal-brexit-a9064616.html

Jeremy Corbyn is leaving open the option of supporting an alternative caretaker prime minister, as he vows to do “everything necessary to stop a disastrous no-deal Brexit”.

In a speech in the midlands, the Labour leader will not rule out backing a different stopgap, after the Liberal Democrats and rebel Tories dismissed putting him in No 10 to avert a crash-out on 31 October.

Aides said he remained focused on seeking to persuade MPs to back him, if Boris Johnson can be toppled in a no-confidence vote – but described it only as the “simplest and most democratic” solution.

Is he trying to go 1929 National Government or something? You know, a Labour-controlled cabinet with a token "centrist" Tory as the new Ramsay Macdonald?

[Silent Hunter]

Nick Boles has opposed Corbyn to lead a GNU:

Bloomberg Story

[Coastal Elitist]

I thought people didn't like Boris, yet recent polls show a big lead for the Tories with a clear majority. He better call a special election ASAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

[Devout Centrist]

I thought people didn't like Boris, yet recent polls show a big lead for the Tories with a clear majority. He better call a special election ASAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Those who forget their history something something...

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

I thought people didn't like Boris, yet recent polls show a big lead for the Tories with a clear majority. He better call a special election ASAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Those who forget their history something something...

...go crazy?

[Beezer]

Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament days after MPs return to work - and a matter of weeks before the Brexit deadline.

The BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, says it will make way for Boris Johnson's new administration to hold a Queen's Speech - laying out the government's future plans - on 14 October.

But it means MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.

A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU."

The idea of shutting down Parliament - known as prorogation - has caused controversy, with critics saying it would stop MPs being able to play their democratic part in the Brexit process.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632