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« on: August 02, 2019, 12:01:35 PM »
« edited: November 30, 2019, 11:34:43 PM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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DUMB REPEALING REPEAL ACT
To reinstate regulations previous Congresses have decided to waste its time meddling in
Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress

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SECTION I. TITLE
This law shall be referred to as the Dumb Repealing Repeal Act.

SECTION II. DUMB REGULATIONS REPEAL ACT
The following sections in the Dumb Regulations Repeal Act (F.L. 12-18) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Section II: Sub-sections 3-8, 11, 14-17, and 19-20,
Section III: Sub-sections 1, 7-9, and 11-19,
Section IV: Sub-sections 1-2, 5-8, 10, 12, and 14-20,
Section V: Sub-sections 3-7, 9, 11-16, and 18,
Section VI: Sub-sections 1-4, 6, 10, 12-14, 16, and 18,
Section VII: Sub-sections 1-3, 5-7, 9-10, 15-17, and 19-20, and
Section VIII: Sub-sections 1, 5-6, 8, 10-11, 13-14, 18, and 20.
The following sections in the Dumb Regulations Repeal Act 9: Nein! Nein! Nein! (F.L. 13-20) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Section II: Sub-sections 2, 4-5, 7-11, 13-14, 16-17, and 19-26.
The Dumb Regulations Repeal Act 12: Boom Boom Pow! (F.L. 13-33) is repealed.
The following sections in the Dumb Regulation Repeal Act XI: Food Glorious Food (F.L. 13-36) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Section II: Sub-sections 1, 3-4, 7-9, 12, 17-22, 25-26, 28-29, and 31-34.
The following sections in the Dumb Regulation Repeal Act X: This Land is Our Land (F.L. 13-40) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Section II: Sub-sections 15, 17, 18, 19b-21, 23, 34-39, 43, 45-47, and 50.
The following sections in the Dumb Regulations Repeal Act 15: Quinoa may be Food  (F.L. 16-06) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Section II.a: Sub-sections i.-vii.
The following sections in the Dumb Regulations Repeal Act 16-17 (F.L. 18-03) are repealed and their regulations reinstated:
Sections 1-2, 4-5, 7, 9, 13, 15-21, 26-29, 31-32, 41, 43-45, 47-68, 70-74, and 76-96.

Section III. IMPLEMENTATION
This legislation shall take effect immediately upon its passage into law.

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 12:02:26 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2019, 10:04:44 PM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

The sponsor has 24 hours to Advocate and the Senators have 48 hours to respond.


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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2019, 10:04:58 PM »

meant to say advocate above, not object.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 12:55:24 AM »

ah, Ontario?
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2019, 12:57:59 AM »

Sorry for missing this.

Anyway, this bill brings back dozens of regulations that were repealed by many of the DRAAs we've had over multiple Congresses, the overwhelming majority of which were never even debated properly.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2019, 09:58:40 AM »

Gee. Where are the senators demanding this be tabled for missing the 24 hour deadline?

Sorry for missing this.

Anyway, this bill brings back dozens of regulations that were repealed by many of the DRAAs we've had over multiple Congresses, the overwhelming majority of which were never even debated properly.

And yet you think "proper debate " is to reimpose HUNDREDS of crimes without so much as listing what you are reimposing? At least when those laws were passed by BOTH houses of Congress over more than a year, the bills actually listed what was being changed in the bill itself. This "bill" and summary dont so much as mention a single actual thing its seeking to impose. Last month multiple Senators said 50 changes in a single bill was too much to debate and refused to so much as identify any concerns with said bills until final vote (shamefully abdicating responsibility for debate). Now apparently while 50 was too much 250 is not?!

Plus this is imposing crimes, not removing them. That should require MORE debate as dumb criminal charges actually ruin people's lives. How are people supposed to know what the crimes are when you cant even be bothered to list them. In the past we've ALWAYS gone out of our way to highlight changes to the code specifically so that the public knows whats going on. That cannot at all be said of this bill. It is unacceptable to impose 250 new crimes while being soo lazy you cant even list what it is you are locking people up for. And saying muh subsection 7 of section 4 of bill 13-11 is not a proper list. It doesn't summarize the new crime at all.

I know why too. Several of the crimes this would impose are regressive attacks on progress that no liberal progressive would ever support. So surprise surprise, no mention of anything. Im guessing the expectation is that this entire "debate" will be a few senators saying "looks good" without even seeing what the new 250 crimes being imposed are. Thats both dangerous and the opposite of the claim of needing debate. Every single crime being imposed here was eliminated after not only being publicly identified with specificity, but also being debated ... twice or more. And there were more than 15 separate bills so you are basically nullifying 30 votes and their debate with NO debate. Thats the opposite of what the author claims to be doing here. This is the epitome of "we have to pass it to see whats in it".

This would completely reverse our efforts at criminal reform, again making HUNDREDS of new, victimless crimes that only the rich will be able to navigate with their expensive lawyers. Thats regressive to the max.

Additionally, most of these were factored into the last GDP growth numbers. Merely being consistent this bill would result in a decrease in GDP. So this not only imposes hundreds of new, victimless crimes but also hurts the economy. Again, all without even bothering to actually identify what it actually doing. I mean, for example this bill prohibits anyone from serving as a foster parent if they have a past drug conviction even for drugs now legal ... how is that "progressive"? How is that necessary? Why is that not mentioned anywhere in the joke of advocacy. Again, what a month ago 2 great bills were tabled despite having summaries that explained every, single provision, simply for not being within 24 hours. Here, we also have a bill for which there was no advocacy in 24 hours and the only summary eventually posted is 1 sentence long ... again for a bill that does 250 separate things. That's unacceptable.

So where's the list of actual things you are imposing? Absent that there can be no good faith debate on this and the bill should be tabled or frankly rejected.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2019, 06:34:25 PM »

Maybe the reason the advocacy was short was because it was 2 AM when I posted it and I was rushed? Also, how can you say the DRAAs were debated reasonably when every time it was just people taking you at your word because nobody knows what the hell these regulations are?

Anyway, I'm putting this list into a few posts to make it more accessible and because it'll break the character limit. Explanations in italics:
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DUMB REGULATION APPEALS ACT 1 (F.L. 12-18) SECTIONS I-VII REPEALS
The regulation capping the amount of water allowed during a toilet flush is hereby repealed. 42 U.S. Code § 6295 shall be amended accordingly.

The regulation limiting dishwashers to 3.1 gallons per cycle is hereby repealed. 10 CFR 429.19 shall be amended accordingly. Both this and the regulation above will help with water conservation

The regulation telling people that they cannot smoke in their home is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 965.653 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only applies to public housing, despite the framing here

The regulation mandating that existing swimming pools install mechanical pool lifts is hereby repealed. 28 CFR 35.150(b) and 28 CFR 36.304(d) shall be amended accordingly. Makes pools more accessible to people with disabilities

The regulation criminalizing drunk skydiving is hereby repealed. 14 CFR 105.7(a) shall be amended accordingly. Seems reasonable to criminalize something that's clearly dangerous

The regulation prohibiting the sale of onion rings made with diced onions as “onion rings” is hereby repealed. 21 CFR 102.39 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation just means onion rings made of diced onions have to state it, they can still call it onion rings

The regulations prohibiting wine labels which comment on a competitor’s products, contain obscene or indecent images, contain a brand name similar to a type of liquor, or contain the bottling date in too large a font are hereby repealed. 27 CFR 4.39 shall be amended accordingly. The first item on the list is to prevent slander, the second is for obvious reasons, and the third is to prevent consumer confusion. I am willing to amend out the bottling date part, because who cares?

The regulation mandating that HUD participants compile racial data is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 570 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes it harder for renters to hide racial discrimination

The regulation mandating that ATF Form 4473 compile racial data is hereby repealed. 27 CFR 478.124 and 28 CFR 25.7 shall be amended accordingly. Same as the above regulation but for firearms transactions

The regulation prohibiting the importation of gas masks without registering under the Arms Control Act is hereby repealed. 22 U.S.C. § 2794 and 27 CFR 447.42 shall be amended accordingly. Considering that through my reading of both regulations that gas masks aren't mentioned once, I'm certain this repeals a lot more than just gas masks

The regulation requiring that a juvenile rancher or farmer needs written parental permission rather than just parental permission to carry a handgun while working is hereby repealed. 18 USC § 922(x)(3)(A)(ii) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes it easier for it to be known that children have permission to carry handguns on ranches

The regulation banning the sale of lawn darts is hereby repealed. 16 CFR 1306 shall be amended accordingly. Lawn darts is a game that had a record of killing 3 children and injuring 6100 children before it was banned. We don't need to bring it back

ATF Form 4 shall be amended to eliminate question 15 asking for reason of purchase. This regulation requires a reason for someone to purchase either a short barreled shotgun, short barreled rifle, a machine gun, suppressor, or destructive device

The FDA Guidance Document labeling Fecal Microbiota for Transplantation (FMT) as a biologic drug subject to the exclusivity requirements of the Orphan Drug Act and the Biologics Price Competition Innovation Act is hereby rescinded. FDA Draft Guidance on FMT dated March 1, 2016 shall be rescinded accordingly. This is one that's likely to be amended out since it's only a draft guideline that doesn't appear to have been finalized.

The following fertilizer ingredients shall be re-added to the list of approved inert ingredients:

a. Argon
b. Benzoyl Peroxide
c. Copper Acetate
d. Dioctyl Phthalate
e. Ethane
f. Nitrous Oxide
g. Rotenone
h. Turpentine Oil
40 CFR 152.3 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation prevents fertilizers from containing unnecessary ingredients

The regulation on fertilizer purchases of more than 25 pounds is hereby eliminated. 6 U.S.C. § 488a is hereby repealed. This regulation regulates the purchase of ammonium nitrate, which is used in fertilizer but also explosives.

The regulation requiring the recall of any vehicle with easy to peel off warning labels is hereby eliminated. 49 CFR 573.6 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure warning labels stay on cars better.

The lawful carrying of firearms in Army Corps of Engineers recreation areas shall not be prohibited. 36 CFR 327.13 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation designates ACoE recreation areas as gun free zones

Caffeine shall not be interpreted as an "unsafe food additive" in alcoholic beverages. FDA Guidance Letter dated November 17, 2010 is hereby rescinded. Caffeine and alcohol are well known to be an incredibly dangerous combination.

The regulation banning the sale of flavored tobacco is hereby eliminated. 21 U.S.C. § 387g shall be amended accordingly. Flavored tobacco is the most addictive kind of tobacco, particularly with underage users.

Partially-hydrogenated oils shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated June 17, 2015 is hereby rescinded. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats, which are obviously not safe.

Stevia rebaudiana leaf extracts shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated August 17, 2016 is hereby rescinded. Given that I currently can't find the source document, I will amend this out

Attaching a removable device that launches cans shall not constitute the manufacture of “Any Other Weapon” requiring registration with ATF. 26 U.S.C. § 5845(e) shall be amended accordingly and ATF Letter 907010: WJS 3311/303501 is hereby rescinded. This regulation basically makes anything that fires a projectile using blanks a "firearm"

The regulation banning the melting of pennies and nickels is hereby eliminated. 31 CFR 82.1 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that there aren't people melting thousands of coins for the more valuable scrap metal in them, thus harming the metal supply

The regulation on matchbook staples is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1202 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is intended to make matchbooks safer

Incandescent lamps shall be exempt from federal energy conservation standards. 42 U.S.C. § 6295 shall be amended accordingly. This makes sure that incandescent lightbulbs have to follow the same rules as other lightbulbs

The regulation limiting the shapes of egg noodles available for sale in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 139.150(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes a clear definition for egg noodles

The regulation requiring vessel operators on the St Lawrence Seaway to possess a copy of Part 401 of Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations when traveling through the St. Lawrence Seaway is hereby eliminated. 33 CFR 401.94(a) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that regulations are easily accessible to those operating vessels

The regulation prohibiting clotheslines longer than 15 feet and limiting each campsite to 1 clothesline each in Zion National Park is hereby eliminated. 2016 Zion National Park Superintendants Compendium (a)(7) to 36 CFR 2.10 shall be amended accordingly. This is a regulation that prevents damage to the Zion National Park

The determination that a shoelace can be a Machine Gun is hereby rescinded. ATF Determination Letter 3311/2007-615 (903050:JPV) is hereby rescinded. The source document actually says shoelaces can't be machine guns but can be used to increase the fire rate of a gun to make it as such

The regulation setting a minimum ratio of raisins to bread in order to sell raisin bread in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 136.160(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation sets a clear definition of raisin bread.

It shall be prohibited for any government officer to unilaterally convert railroad easements across private land into bike trail easements under the Rails to Trails program. 16 CFR 1248 shall be amended accordingly. This is one I will amend out.

The regulation prohibiting the possession of nunchucks in Fort Lewis is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 552.121(d) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only prohibits nunchuck possession outside legitimate martial arts training, despite the framing

The regulation setting a minimum ratio of beans to franks to sell beans and franks in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 319.309 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that there is at least a reasonable amount of franks in beans and franks

The regulation prohibiting motorcyclists from wearing headphones in Fort Stewart is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 636.35 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation prohibits people driving US government vehicles from wearing headphones. Also, the regulation doesn't mention Fort Stewart anyway so uh...

The regulation requiring that labels on uncooked chicken contain a graphic of a skillet is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 381.125(b)(3)(iii) shall be amended accordingly. This is a graphic that'd be useful to symbolize it needs to be cooked, especially for those which English isn't a first language

The regulations capping the number of gallons on untaxed beer or wine a family may brew or ferment for personal consumption is hereby eliminated. 26 U.S.C. § 5042 and 26 U.S.C. § 5053(e)(2) shall be amended accordingly. It seems pretty clear that if you're making more than 200 gallons of alcohol, you're probably going to sell it

The regulation prohibiting food packaging from mentioning “Love” as a food ingredient is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 101.4(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. Another blatant lie! This regulation only covers the ingredient list, but he frames it as banning it on the advertising part of the packaging.

The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant advertised as "lasting all day" unless it reduces armpit sweat by 20% over 24 hours in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly I don't think it's good to allow misleading advertising

The regulation prohibiting the importation of air soft rifles lacking a blaze orange barrel cap is hereby eliminated. 15 CFR 272 is hereby repealed. This regulation helps make sure people can tell if a gun is fake or not, preventing intimidation

The regulation requiring commercial dog walkers to visibly wear their commercial dog walking badge on Presidio National Trust Land is hereby eliminated. 36 CFR 1002.6(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps curb unlicensed dog walkers

The regulation prohibiting the sale of cashmere wool that contains more than 3% fibers with an average diameter exceeding 30 microns is hereby eliminated. 15 USC 68b(a)(6)(C) shall be amended accordingly. I think I'll amend this one out, since this does seem oddly specific

The regulation mandating that tampons be tested for absorbency with a condom machine is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 801.430(e) and (f) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps make sure that tampons actually work before they're brought onto the market

The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of fireworks that dumb people might mistake for food is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1500.17(a)(8 ) shall be amended accordingly. It's likely going to be children that would make these mistakes.

The regulation prohibiting the sale of Pool Slides with handrails that extend more than 18 inches above the top of the slide runway platform is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1207.5(d) shall be amended accordingly This makes sure that handrails are actually reachable

The regulation prohibiting gum chewing while in Wind Cave National Park is hereby eliminated. 36 CFR 1.5 shall be amended accordingly. This seems like a regulation to prevent spit out gum being all over a park

The regulations classifying the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns as destructive devices is hereby eliminated. ATF Ruling 94-1 and ATF Ruling 94-2 are hereby rescinded. Both of these are rulings that are consistent with the definition of "destructive device"

The regulation requiring bunk beds sold in interstate commerce to contain a warning not to horseplay on the bed is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1513.6(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly. Seems reasonable to contain warnings on things not to do

The regulation prohibiting unnecessary empty space in food containers is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 100.100 shall be amended accordingly. Why would you want unnecessary empty space?

The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of toiletries containing microbeads is hereby eliminated. 21 USC § 331 (ddd) and § 333(aaa) shall be amended accordingly. Microbeads are a great danger to our environment

The regulation that rhubarb sherbert sold in interstate commerce be at least 10% rhubarb is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 135.140(d) shall be amended accordingly. Seems odd that you would want anything less

The regulation subjecting new force-air furnaces and residential wood heaters to New Source Pollution Standards is hereby eliminated. 40 CFR 60 shall be amended accordingly. Yet another repeal that's bad for the environment. Why does Mr. R hate the environment so much?

The regulation prohibiting public eating establishments from serving unlabeled yellow margarine in a restaurant unless each serving is triangular is hereby eliminated. 21 U.S.C. §347(c) shall be eliminated. This is to prevent confusion of unlabeled margarine and butter.

The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant without a warning directing users to “apply to underarms only” is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(d) shall be eliminated. This seems like a reasonable warning to me

The regulation prohibiting egg processing workers from wearing jewelry or nail polish while handling eggs is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 590.560(g) shall be amended accordingly. I don't think one would want nail polish on their eggs

The regulation subjecting all vaping products to the same regulations as cigarettes shall be delayed until January 1, 2025. Vaping shares many of the same health issues as smoking, so it's quite reasonable to apply the same regulations to both.

The regulation mandating rather than permitting that a participating jurisdiction under the HOME program set aside 15% of its funds for Community Housing Development Organizations is hereby eliminated. 24 CFR 92.300 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that community housing development gets the funding it needs

The regulation prohibiting the sale of baby pacifiers with leather or chain attached is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR §1500.18(a)(8 ) & 1511.6 shall be amended accordingly This is a regulation to protect from babies choking on pacifiers

The regulation prohibiting cosmetic labiaplasty is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C § 116(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is against FGM. Surely we should be against that!

The regulation determining that the replacement of copper mesh in a suppressor with a copper scrubbing pad is the manufacture of a suppressor requiring a special manufacturers license is hereby eliminated. ATF Determination Letter 903050:MRC 3311/2010-1001 (11/26/10) is hereby rescinded. This regulation prevents non-licensed manufacturers from replacing copper meshes, which is reasonable.

Collodial silver shall be considered an eligible over the counter medicine for the purposes of expenditures from Health Savings Account monies. Title XLII-7 of the Code of Atlasia shall be amended accordingly. Literally no scientific evidence suggests that collodial silver is safe or effective medicine.

The regulation prohibiting the production and use of a physical voluntary barter currency is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C. § 486 shall be amended accordingly This regulation is clearly targeted at coins that look like real currency, preventing counterfeit

The regulation determining that the replacement of a rubber suppressor wipe is the manufacture of a suppressor requiring a special manufacturers license is hereby eliminated. ATF Determination Letter 901040:GS 5320/99-0115 (8/23/99) shall be the appropriate determination on suppressor wipes. See the copper mesh regulation above

If any other Senators and observers would like to assist me and demonstrate the other appeals, that would be very much appreciated as just these first 6 sections of the first DRAA took quite a while for me to go through.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2019, 06:40:53 PM »

I will note that I find it extremely far fetched that removing some requirements for warning labels somehow drastically increases our GDP.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 06:52:59 PM »

I look forward to voting for this in the house.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2019, 10:14:56 PM »
« Edited: August 04, 2019, 10:17:58 PM by Mr. Reactionary »

Maybe the reason the advocacy was short was because it was 2 AM when I posted it and I was rushed? Also, how can you say the DRAAs were debated reasonably when every time it was just people taking you at your word because nobody knows what the hell these regulations are?

Anyway, I'm putting this list into a few posts to make it more accessible and because it'll break the character limit. Explanations in italics:
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DUMB REGULATION APPEALS ACT 1 (F.L. 12-18) SECTIONS I-VII REPEALS
The regulation capping the amount of water allowed during a toilet flush is hereby repealed. 42 U.S. Code § 6295 shall be amended accordingly.

The regulation limiting dishwashers to 3.1 gallons per cycle is hereby repealed. 10 CFR 429.19 shall be amended accordingly. Both this and the regulation above will help with water conservation

No actually. The dumb cap on dishwashers actually led to an INCREASE in water consumption, because dishwashers often have to be run TWICE to be sanitary.  See attached report: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=EERE-2014-BT-STD-0021-0021

Ditto for toilets that cant adequately move human waste. We should not be sacrificing sanitation on the altar of "doing something" for the environment that actually makes things worse off. Just like recycling, the feel-good environmental strategies do little more than make the participant feel good. Wasting water and endangering sanitation just so some twiggy greens can pat themselves on the back is dumb.


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The regulation telling people that they cannot smoke in their home is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 965.653 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only applies to public housing, despite the framing here

The FRAMING is that someone living in public housing is still living in a HOME. How dare the government threaten to kick people out of public housing for smoking literally in the privacy of their HOME! You would punish the most vulnerable in society as part of some nanny-state crusade. That's extremely condescending to the poor.


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The regulation mandating that existing swimming pools install mechanical pool lifts is hereby repealed. 28 CFR 35.150(b) and 28 CFR 36.304(d) shall be amended accordingly. Makes pools more accessible to people with disabilities

It doesn't make pools more accessible to anyone when they shutdown. A ton on pools in lower cost motels shut down rather than spend the high costs to upgrade for an occasional speculative guest. That is the curse of unintended consequences that just arent being considered when you impose a criminal mandate on every aspect of our life. People will do the least cost thing needed to stay out of trouble ... in this case it is often discontinuing the pool service. See: https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Hotel-News/Hotels-scramble-to-meet-chair-lift-mandate-for-swimming-pools

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The regulation criminalizing drunk skydiving is hereby repealed. 14 CFR 105.7(a) shall be amended accordingly. Seems reasonable to criminalize something that's clearly dangerous

If we policed everything that was "dangerous" we'd all be in jail. That the federal government, a government of limited powers intended only to handle the big things, should demand breathalyzer tests for all skydivers, is intrusive and beyond the powers of the feds.

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of onion rings made with diced onions as “onion rings” is hereby repealed. 21 CFR 102.39 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation just means onion rings made of diced onions have to state it, they can still call it onion rings

Word policing now? Who the hell cares what if they call diced onion onion rings just onion rings for short? No consumer is harmed by not being warned of the dreaded dicing. This is why criminal laws have become such a joke. There is no victim in calling onion rings onion rings without going into extreme detail as to the preparation method in the flipping title of the dish.

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The regulations prohibiting wine labels which comment on a competitor’s products, contain obscene or indecent images, contain a brand name similar to a type of liquor, or contain the bottling date in too large a font are hereby repealed. 27 CFR 4.39 shall be amended accordingly. The first item on the list is to prevent slander, the second is for obvious reasons, and the third is to prevent consumer confusion. I am willing to amend out the bottling date part, because who cares?

# 1 sweeps in MORE than just slander though. A key component of a constitutional regulation of speech (and this totally regulates speech) is narrowly tailoring the regulation to only sweep in the problem speech. Wine Brand A saying "Better than Wine Brand B" on the label is NOT slander. It's opinion. Who the hell cares about opinion? # 2 is NOT obvious to me ... why should the government censor wine labels? They literally used this regulation in real life to censor images of naked cherubs. It is highly problematic towards free speech. See: https://libationlawblog.com/2017/04/28/will-lee-v-tam-end-the-ttbs-censorship-of-beer-wine-and-spirits-labels-found-obscene-or-indecent/ . I still cant believe its a lefty being the prude on this. # 3 honestly the patronizing view of consumers taken by many of these DUMB regs is insulting. If a consumer buys Redbone Wine instead of Reddog Wine, that's at most a learning experience for the customer ... making it a crime to name your product a non-trademarked name you want is absurd. And # 4, I care ... why that should EVER be a crime is beyond explanation.

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The regulation mandating that HUD participants compile racial data is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 570 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes it harder for renters to hide racial discrimination


And it makes it easier for Nazis to LITERALLY have a list of which races live in which houses ... nationwide. That's beyond terrifying. That's a pogrom waiting to happen. Race should not be something we make note of in every facet of our life just to try and use fake math to justify a political talking point.

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The regulation mandating that ATF Form 4473 compile racial data is hereby repealed. 27 CFR 478.124 and 28 CFR 25.7 shall be amended accordingly. Same as the above regulation but for firearms transactions

Ditto for this schitt too ... they most likely reason I can think of for the government to have a list of gunowners by race is to disarm disfavored minorities whether they be the Japanese or Muslims or who knows? Privacy rights should most certainly countervail here over this big brother spying.

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The regulation prohibiting the importation of gas masks without registering under the Arms Control Act is hereby repealed. 22 U.S.C. § 2794 and 27 CFR 447.42 shall be amended accordingly. Considering that through my reading of both regulations that gas masks aren't mentioned once, I'm certain this repeals a lot more than just gas masks

1. No it doesn't if you look at how these are written. The latter sentence merely states that the cited law be "amended accordingly" ... accordingly how? To the first sentence. The scope of these regs is always the wording of the first sentence. So if you really dont think the citation aligns with the first sentence, it doesnt matter because the cited law is ONLY changed to reflect the first sentence. 2., nope gas masks are totally covered. They are listed as "defense articles" but trust me, they are there. See this ATF faq: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-and-implements-war-arms-export

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The regulation requiring that a juvenile rancher or farmer needs written parental permission rather than just parental permission to carry a handgun while working is hereby repealed. 18 USC § 922(x)(3)(A)(ii) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes it easier for it to be known that children have permission to carry handguns on ranches

It also imposes criminal penalties for a victimless paperwork violation on a CHILD. How progressive. The reg you would reinstate here doesnt even require the juvenile rancher to CARRY the signed permission slip so it really isnt making anything easier for anyone. It's just a purposeful stumbling block to burden and discourage the activity ... an activity that protects children from wolves. Think of the children ... why should they be eaten or go to jail over a piece of paper?

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The regulation banning the sale of lawn darts is hereby repealed. 16 CFR 1306 shall be amended accordingly. Lawn darts is a game that had a record of killing 3 children and injuring 6100 children before it was banned. We don't need to bring it back

Lawn darts has been "brought back" for over a year. It's already back out there. Nannystate feds policing children's games is beyond absurd. If you don't want to play, don't. But to ruin everyone else's fun is ridiculous. Do children really play outside anymore? why discourage it even more by banning games?

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ATF Form 4 shall be amended to eliminate question 15 asking for reason of purchase. This regulation requires a reason for someone to purchase either a short barreled shotgun, short barreled rifle, a machine gun, suppressor, or destructive device

And? WHY I choose to exercise a goddamn enumerated constitutional right is irrelevant to that government form. Again, whatever happened to privacy? There is no "NEED" requirement for my rights. That my time should be wasted and privacy violated like this is offensive.

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The FDA Guidance Document labeling Fecal Microbiota for Transplantation (FMT) as a biologic drug subject to the exclusivity requirements of the Orphan Drug Act and the Biologics Price Competition Innovation Act is hereby rescinded. FDA Draft Guidance on FMT dated March 1, 2016 shall be rescinded accordingly. This is one that's likely to be amended out since it's only a draft guideline that doesn't appear to have been finalized.

So your ONLY reason for reconsidering exclusive federal patents for HUMAN POOP is that they were ONLY draft guidance? That a progressive would think its OK to grant exclusive rights for poop transplants to big corporations under ANY circumstance is astonishing.

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The following fertilizer ingredients shall be re-added to the list of approved inert ingredients:

a. Argon
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40 CFR 152.3 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation prevents fertilizers from containing unnecessary ingredients

What does that even mean? "Unnecessary" ... the manufacturer should decide the necessity as long as the ingredients are inert and safe. These werent originally banned because they were problematic or harmful, they were banned because existing manufacturers opted for other ingredients. It didnt make these ingredients suddenly unsafe. If other manufacturers think they might be advisable to use, they should have that freedom. Unnecessarily limiting choice is dumb, especially when they choice has 0 harmful effect on consumers or the environment.

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The regulation on fertilizer purchases of more than 25 pounds is hereby eliminated. 6 U.S.C. § 488a is hereby repealed. This regulation regulates the purchase of ammonium nitrate, which is used in fertilizer but also explosives.

It is also ridiculously, ridiculously burdensome for every farmer to have to submit paperwork to the FB flippin I every time they buy schit to mix into the soil, not to mention the staff hours eaten up. The number of vendors of fertilizers tanked after the original dumb regs were imposed. Hands of our poop!

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The regulation requiring the recall of any vehicle with easy to peel off warning labels is hereby eliminated. 49 CFR 573.6 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure warning labels stay on cars better.

And can cost MILLIONS of dollars in recalls. My car is not defective because it is easier to peel of the ugly labels on my sun visor ... if anything its worth MORE. The huge costs for the barest of benefits is not worth it. See for example: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2013-14-chevrolet-camaro-recalled-for-label-problem.html.

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The lawful carrying of firearms in Army Corps of Engineers recreation areas shall not be prohibited. 36 CFR 327.13 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation designates ACoE recreation areas as gun free zones

Why in the hell should they be gun free zones? Every other similar type of recreation area on federal land allows for human rights ... why should it be different only at ACoE sites?

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Caffeine shall not be interpreted as an "unsafe food additive" in alcoholic beverages. FDA Guidance Letter dated November 17, 2010 is hereby rescinded. Caffeine and alcohol are well known to be an incredibly dangerous combination.

If I want to drink 4Loko how the hell is it any of your damn business? This goes beyond nannystatism to literal prohibition. It's like you want to regress to the 1920s. This is an incredibly arbitrary line to draw as far as victimless private activities are concerned. What's next? Red meat? Potato chips? Staring at phone screens?

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The regulation banning the sale of flavored tobacco is hereby eliminated. 21 U.S.C. § 387g shall be amended accordingly. Flavored tobacco is the most addictive kind of tobacco, particularly with underage users.

Oh, so this is what's next ... if you don't smoke, then don't. But leave me alone. If I want to smoke clove cigarettes or a green apple blunt, again that's my damn business ... not some racist cops. The amount of control you want to impose is embarrassing.

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Partially-hydrogenated oils shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated June 17, 2015 is hereby rescinded. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats, which are obviously not safe.


And we are again on the Bloomberg Nannystate jackboot food police kick. How about you decide what you put in your body, and we all decide what we put in ours. If I want transfat, or rare steaks, or raw oysters ... that's my damn business. Go police your own family.

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Stevia rebaudiana leaf extracts shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated August 17, 2016 is hereby rescinded. Given that I currently can't find the source document, I will amend this out

https://www.fda.gov/media/113099/download

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Attaching a removable device that launches cans shall not constitute the manufacture of “Any Other Weapon” requiring registration with ATF. 26 U.S.C. § 5845(e) shall be amended accordingly and ATF Letter 907010: WJS 3311/303501 is hereby rescinded. This regulation basically makes anything that fires a projectile using blanks a "firearm"

Can cannons are not dangerous on their own and that the ATF should be treating them as abnormally dangerous is absurd. This is what we are talking about here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bdhAKOlF2w  It launches soda cans not bullets.

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The regulation banning the melting of pennies and nickels is hereby eliminated. 31 CFR 82.1 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that there aren't people melting thousands of coins for the more valuable scrap metal in them, thus harming the metal supply

But they aren't though: http://www.coinflation.com/unitedstates/

Other than pre-1982 pennies (a coin type we have discontinued in Atlasia) this isnt a big risk. That the melting of other types of coins is allowed suggests its not an inherent problem of currency mutilation. I doubt we have a small change problem in Atlasia.

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The regulation on matchbook staples is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1202 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is intended to make matchbooks safer

That's irrelevant. The CPSC was tasked with reviewing regs for matchboxes solely to prevent them from self-igniting. The Staple rule in question they flat out admit has NOTHING to do with preventing matchbooks from self-igniting. The regulation exceeded the delegation by Congress and is unconstitutional on nondelegation and due process grounds.

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Incandescent lamps shall be exempt from federal energy conservation standards. 42 U.S.C. § 6295 shall be amended accordingly. This makes sure that incandescent lightbulbs have to follow the same rules as other lightbulbs

Thereby pricing them out of existence. It eliminates choice. Let me choose to buy the lightbulbs I want and you buy the ones you want (or burn hemp candles instead). This bill should be called the "Anti-Choice Nannystate Criminalization of Everything Act"

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The regulation limiting the shapes of egg noodles available for sale in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 139.150(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes a clear definition for egg noodles

Good God. Why do we need a phucking mandatory shape rule for noodles? It's so insulting that the government literally wont allow pasta shaped like something fun. There is NO CONSUMER BENEFIT to this.

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The regulation requiring vessel operators on the St Lawrence Seaway to possess a copy of Part 401 of Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations when traveling through the St. Lawrence Seaway is hereby eliminated. 33 CFR 401.94(a) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that regulations are easily accessible to those operating vessels

If I can pull it off the internet on my phones Im going to do it. That I should face criminal charges and be denied access to a public waterway for not having a dumb book I don't need to physically have in my possession in my possession is beyond acceptable.

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The regulation prohibiting clotheslines longer than 15 feet and limiting each campsite to 1 clothesline each in Zion National Park is hereby eliminated. 2016 Zion National Park Superintendants Compendium (a)(7) to 36 CFR 2.10 shall be amended accordingly. This is a regulation that prevents damage to the Zion National Park

How?! Why should Susie be criminally charged for having a 15 foot clothesline but not Tina who only had a 13 foot clothesline? Why does that 2 feet matter? There is no logic or reason there. It's about fear and control.

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The determination that a shoelace can be a Machine Gun is hereby rescinded. ATF Determination Letter 3311/2007-615 (903050:JPV) is hereby rescinded. The source document actually says shoelaces can't be machine guns but can be used to increase the fire rate of a gun to make it as such

A man was convicted for possessing a machine simply for having a semiautomatic rifle and a shoestring tied around the trigger. Thats legally not a machine gun and yet ATF argued otherwise. We should not be ratifying the abandonment of defined criminal law just to “nail” people we think should be criminals who aren’t.

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The regulation setting a minimum ratio of raisins to bread in order to sell raisin bread in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 136.160(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation sets a clear definition of raisin bread.
The cost of verifying that every loaf of raisin bread contains an identical number of raisins is beyond expensive and unreasonable. There is no consumer benefit and certainly no safety issue. Again, its just word policing.

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It shall be prohibited for any government officer to unilaterally convert railroad easements across private land into bike trail easements under the Rails to Trails program. 16 CFR 1248 shall be amended accordingly. This is one I will amend out.

Good … because again, this was in response to the Supreme Court ruling that the program was unconstitutional.

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The regulation prohibiting the possession of nunchucks in Fort Lewis is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 552.121(d) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only prohibits nunchuck possession outside legitimate martial arts training, despite the framing
Again, the FRAMING is that your right to own or carry nunchucks is limited. That you can use them solely for martial arts training does not mean you can magically carry them around as well. This should NOT be criminal. Hell, this encourages the carrying of NON-LETHAL weapons. Shouldn’t someone who hates gun rights support that?

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The regulation setting a minimum ratio of beans to franks to sell beans and franks in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 319.309 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that there is at least a reasonable amount of franks in beans and franks
Again, the cost and scale of verifying that every can is identical is great and prices out smaller firms. As the Senate is literally considering a bill on food mergers, it seems strange to be simultaneously trying to force out all but the richest of food processors.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2019, 10:15:41 PM »

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The regulation prohibiting motorcyclists from wearing headphones in Fort Stewart is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 636.35 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation prohibits people driving US government vehicles from wearing headphones. Also, the regulation doesn't mention Fort Stewart anyway so uh...

So you hate music and government employees listening to it?

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The regulation requiring that labels on uncooked chicken contain a graphic of a skillet is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 381.125(b)(3)(iii) shall be amended accordingly. This is a graphic that'd be useful to symbolize it needs to be cooked, especially for those which English isn't a first language

Like no one notices it though. Its compelled speech for something no one even sees. That’s ridiculous.

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The regulations capping the number of gallons on untaxed beer or wine a family may brew or ferment for personal consumption is hereby eliminated. 26 U.S.C. § 5042 and 26 U.S.C. § 5053(e)(2) shall be amended accordingly. It seems pretty clear that if you're making more than 200 gallons of alcohol, you're probably going to sell it

Sounds like judgmental nannystate policing of private conduct. Leave our beer alone. That you may not consume that much does not make such consumption impossible.

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The regulation prohibiting food packaging from mentioning “Love” as a food ingredient is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 101.4(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. Another blatant lie! This regulation only covers the ingredient list, but he frames it as banning it on the advertising part of the packaging.

Again you are claiming bad intentions even though that’s not the case based of the wording. As stated above, the amended is limited to the first sentence, which deals with “love” as an ingredient. So yes, duh, the citation is to regs for ingredient lists. The amendment is that “love” is not something that can be considered a “false ingredient list”. See: https://time.com/4969114/fda-granola-love/

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant advertised as "lasting all day" unless it reduces armpit sweat by 20% over 24 hours in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly I don't think it's good to allow misleading advertising
It’s only misleading with an absurdly literalist take on puffery. No one wears deodorant expecting it to last through showers and sleep for a literal 24 hour period. This just demands stupid, pointless tests through word policing.

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The regulation prohibiting the importation of air soft rifles lacking a blaze orange barrel cap is hereby eliminated. 15 CFR 272 is hereby repealed. This regulation helps make sure people can tell if a gun is fake or not, preventing intimidation
A clear plastic airsoft rifle will not be viewed as real, even if it lacks a stupid looking orange plastic disk. It just devalues the toys and makes them look dumb.

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The regulation requiring commercial dog walkers to visibly wear their commercial dog walking badge on Presidio National Trust Land is hereby eliminated. 36 CFR 1002.6(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps curb unlicensed dog walkers

Such a HUGE problem I guess … requiring someone to wear something is a dress code and it infringes upon freedom of expression. We should not be doing that simply so that someone can walk a dog in a park. Nothing progressive about that.

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of cashmere wool that contains more than 3% fibers with an average diameter exceeding 30 microns is hereby eliminated. 15 USC 68b(a)(6)(C) shall be amended accordingly. I think I'll amend this one out, since this does seem oddly specific

These are all oddly specific. Just table this.

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The regulation mandating that tampons be tested for absorbency with a condom machine is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 801.430(e) and (f) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps make sure that tampons actually work before they're brought onto the market
It locks in an arcane, 1970s era method for testing the absorbancy. Tampons should be free to innovate and be based off actual use, not how it hold up in a condom machine.

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The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of fireworks that dumb people might mistake for food is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1500.17(a)(8 ) shall be amended accordingly. It's likely going to be children that would make these mistakes.

They’re not allowed to buy fireworks though so … why does that matter?

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of Pool Slides with handrails that extend more than 18 inches above the top of the slide runway platform is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1207.5(d) shall be amended accordingly This makes sure that handrails are actually reachable
By some but not all. Again, when you lock in “oddly specific” rules for even the mundane you freeze out innovation and real life tailoring. Waterslides do not need to be regulated to death.

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The regulation prohibiting gum chewing while in Wind Cave National Park is hereby eliminated. 36 CFR 1.5 shall be amended accordingly. This seems like a regulation to prevent spit out gum being all over a park
The nannystate police have come for our biodegradeable chewing gum …

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The regulations classifying the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns as destructive devices is hereby eliminated. ATF Ruling 94-1 and ATF Ruling 94-2 are hereby rescinded. Both of these are rulings that are consistent with the definition of "destructive device"
Not at all. These are civilian shotguns and should not be regulated as “weapons of war” just because they look scary. I thought Joe Biden wanted us to keep our shotguns.

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The regulation requiring bunk beds sold in interstate commerce to contain a warning not to horseplay on the bed is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR 1513.6(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly. Seems reasonable to contain warnings on things not to do

If we were going to make it a crime to not mention every hypothetical “harm” imaginable for every product a loaf of bread would come with a 10 page contract. No one who can read an instruction manual thinks its OK to horseplay on a bunk bed. The idea is that its targeted at children, but they aren’t reading an instructions manual so this is just mandating stuff just to mandate it. Awful government philosophy.

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The regulation prohibiting unnecessary empty space in food containers is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 100.100 shall be amended accordingly. Why would you want unnecessary empty space?
Who cares why I want it? Let me make that choice. Don’t make it a flippin crime.

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The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of toiletries containing microbeads is hereby eliminated. 21 USC § 331 (ddd) and § 333(aaa) shall be amended accordingly. Microbeads are a great danger to our environment
And a great way to suspend solids in face wash. You do you, let us do us.

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The regulation that rhubarb sherbert sold in interstate commerce be at least 10% rhubarb is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 135.140(d) shall be amended accordingly. Seems odd that you would want anything less
I don’t care if it seems odd. That we should impose such a rigorously specific standard on such a niche product is infuriating. 9% rhubarb … go to jail. 10% … that’s great. So arbitrary and unworthy of criminal penalties.

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The regulation subjecting new force-air furnaces and residential wood heaters to New Source Pollution Standards is hereby eliminated. 40 CFR 60 shall be amended accordingly. Yet another repeal that's bad for the environment. Why does Mr. R hate the environment so much?
The large bulk of people who have wood burning heaters are poor, rurals. I gladly stand with them over unnecessarily costly methods of heating their home. The NSPS would jack up the price on new wood stoves and hurt poors. So to answer your question, I “hate” the environment when it leads to unnecessary regs that hurt poor consumers. These are definite costs for speculative benefits (Do you really think wood burning is the big pollution driver in Atlasia?). So I guess the counter question is why do you hate poor rurals and want their heating costs to go up?

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The regulation prohibiting public eating establishments from serving unlabeled yellow margarine in a restaurant unless each serving is triangular is hereby eliminated. 21 U.S.C. §347(c) shall be eliminated. This is to prevent confusion of unlabeled margarine and butter.
How many people here actually knew that if it’s a triangle its margarine but if its square its butter? This was a residual protectionist reg imposed by the milk lobby. They used to be so powerful they federally banned margarine and filled milk. We should not be imposing protectionist measures for certain industries over others like that.

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant without a warning directing users to “apply to underarms only” is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(d) shall be eliminated. This seems like a reasonable warning to me
Really? Because its commonsense to apply to underarms only?  As previously stated every commonsense statement or speculative hypothetical should not be in a warning label. Warning labels are compelled speech, and to be justified they must be limited to what is necessary, not to any and all truth.

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The regulation prohibiting egg processing workers from wearing jewelry or nail polish while handling eggs is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 590.560(g) shall be amended accordingly. I don't think one would want nail polish on their eggs
That’s not how that works. This just targets women workers for expressing themselves … another dress code.

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The regulation subjecting all vaping products to the same regulations as cigarettes shall be delayed until January 1, 2025. Vaping shares many of the same health issues as smoking, so it's quite reasonable to apply the same regulations to both.
And they will be. This delays implementation to allow device manufacturers to switchover. Why you want people smoking cigarettes over vaping is beyond me, but its not very progressive.

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The regulation mandating rather than permitting that a participating jurisdiction under the HOME program set aside 15% of its funds for Community Housing Development Organizations is hereby eliminated. 24 CFR 92.300 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure that community housing development gets the funding it needs

Actually no, not at all. As someone whose job is to keep a HUD participating jurisdiction compliant with the rules, you don’t know what you are talking about. This makes CHDOs optional. You can totally still rely on them if your PJ wants. But my local government is much, much, much better at qualifying low income people for housing assistance than either of the private CHDOs we partner with. We would absolutely be better at using that money that the private groups, and we shouldn’t be penalized for using that 15% of our total award on successful programs rather than paying a corporation that money even though that corporation has spent more than 3 years building 2 new houses (single family) and STILL is not done yet. Some CHDOs work well, but I know for a fact we could have put 5 families in houses for what they got just for 2 (and not even 2 since they houses aren’t finished yet after 3 years). So you are arguing for a mandatory corporate welfare set aside even when a robust government housing program could more efficiently use that money. Not very progressive.

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The regulation prohibiting the sale of baby pacifiers with leather or chain attached is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR §1500.18(a)(8 ) & 1511.6 shall be amended accordingly This is a regulation to protect from babies choking on pacifiers
Doesn’t seem particularly well tailored to that.

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The regulation prohibiting cosmetic labiaplasty is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C § 116(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is against FGM. Surely we should be against that!
I thought a woman was sovereign over her own bodily autonomy. “My body, my choice”. We heard a lot of that Regionally from opponents of parental consent for abortions by minors. If a woman is truly sovereign over her body, and based of her sovereign right to choose, she and her doctor (also a woman) go forward with cosmetic labiplasty, why is that any man’s business?

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The regulation determining that the replacement of copper mesh in a suppressor with a copper scrubbing pad is the manufacture of a suppressor requiring a special manufacturers license is hereby eliminated. ATF Determination Letter 903050:MRC 3311/2010-1001 (11/26/10) is hereby rescinded. This regulation prevents non-licensed manufacturers from replacing copper meshes, which is reasonable.
How the phuck is it reasonable to say I can’t replace a material that is consumed naturally by operation of the product. That’s like saying I’m manufacturing a new vehicle every time I replace a sparkplug or change the oil. I mean, we are literally talking about dish cleaning supplies. ATF should not be regulating dish cleaning supplies.

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Collodial silver shall be considered an eligible over the counter medicine for the purposes of expenditures from Health Savings Account monies. Title XLII-7 of the Code of Atlasia shall be amended accordingly. Literally no scientific evidence suggests that collodial silver is safe or effective medicine.

This should be a decision between a woman and her doctor. If they want to use their own HSA money on a treatment that works for some people, that’s their business. More nannystate bullying of what people can put into their bodies.

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The regulation prohibiting the production and use of a physical voluntary barter currency is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C. § 486 shall be amended accordingly This regulation is clearly targeted at coins that look like real currency, preventing counterfeit
You can ban counterfeiting without banning choice. I owned a Liberty Dollar warehouseslip that totally even said “This is not legal tender money” on it and the feds still raided the company, stole all the gold and silver and ron paul coins, and used the “well stupid people might get confused so MULTIPLE FELONY CHARGES for you! Line of argument. As long as its voluntary and nonfraudulent that’s our right to protest.

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The regulation determining that the replacement of a rubber suppressor wipe is the manufacture of a suppressor requiring a special manufacturers license is hereby eliminated. ATF Determination Letter 901040:GS 5320/99-0115 (8/23/99) shall be the appropriate determination on suppressor wipes. See the copper mesh regulation above
Again, these naturally breakdown over the life of the product and are meant to be replaced … that doesn’t mean you are manufacturing a new product by replacing that part. Restringing tennis rackets or guitars, changing spools in a weed eater, changing a tire … these don’t create a new product. This is nothing but a backdoor attempt to ban hearing protection devices.

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If any other Senators and observers would like to assist me and demonstrate the other appeals, that would be very much appreciated as just these first 6 sections of the first DRAA took quite a while for me to go through.

All the more reason not to impose 250 new crimes on the people of Atlasia in 1 swoop.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2019, 12:27:49 AM »

So the one thing that seems absolutely clear is that Mr. R reaallly wants to protect the rights of businesses to scam people.




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The regulation telling people that they cannot smoke in their home is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 965.653 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only applies to public housing, despite the framing here

The FRAMING is that someone living in public housing is still living in a HOME. How dare the government threaten to kick people out of public housing for smoking literally in the privacy of their HOME! You would punish the most vulnerable in society as part of some nanny-state crusade. That's extremely condescending to the poor.

But the regulation doesn't just affect public housing...it applies to public hallways, community centers, and daycares. Are you seriously suggesting that people should have an absolute right to smoke in daycares?
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The regulation mandating that existing swimming pools install mechanical pool lifts is hereby repealed. 28 CFR 35.150(b) and 28 CFR 36.304(d) shall be amended accordingly. Makes pools more accessible to people with disabilities

It doesn't make pools more accessible to anyone when they shutdown. A ton on pools in lower cost motels shut down rather than spend the high costs to upgrade for an occasional speculative guest. That is the curse of unintended consequences that just arent being considered when you impose a criminal mandate on every aspect of our life. People will do the least cost thing needed to stay out of trouble ... in this case it is often discontinuing the pool service. See: https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Hotel-News/Hotels-scramble-to-meet-chair-lift-mandate-for-swimming-pools

By this logic, may as well repeal the entire ADA.
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The regulations prohibiting wine labels which comment on a competitor’s products, contain obscene or indecent images, contain a brand name similar to a type of liquor, or contain the bottling date in too large a font are hereby repealed. 27 CFR 4.39 shall be amended accordingly. The first item on the list is to prevent slander, the second is for obvious reasons, and the third is to prevent consumer confusion. I am willing to amend out the bottling date part, because who cares?

# 1 sweeps in MORE than just slander though. A key component of a constitutional regulation of speech (and this totally regulates speech) is narrowly tailoring the regulation to only sweep in the problem speech. Wine Brand A saying "Better than Wine Brand B" on the label is NOT slander. It's opinion. Who the hell cares about opinion? # 2 is NOT obvious to me ... why should the government censor wine labels? They literally used this regulation in real life to censor images of naked cherubs. It is highly problematic towards free speech. See: https://libationlawblog.com/2017/04/28/will-lee-v-tam-end-the-ttbs-censorship-of-beer-wine-and-spirits-labels-found-obscene-or-indecent/ . I still cant believe its a lefty being the prude on this. # 3 honestly the patronizing view of consumers taken by many of these DUMB regs is insulting. If a consumer buys Redbone Wine instead of Reddog Wine, that's at most a learning experience for the customer ... making it a crime to name your product a non-trademarked name you want is absurd. And # 4, I care ... why that should EVER be a crime is beyond explanation.

So, between #1 and #3 it's very clear what the goals here are: to legalize willful deception by allowing wine manufacturers to design packaging that deliberately tries to make consumers think it's something that it isn't.
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The regulation prohibiting the importation of gas masks without registering under the Arms Control Act is hereby repealed. 22 U.S.C. § 2794 and 27 CFR 447.42 shall be amended accordingly. Considering that through my reading of both regulations that gas masks aren't mentioned once, I'm certain this repeals a lot more than just gas masks

1. No it doesn't if you look at how these are written. The latter sentence merely states that the cited law be "amended accordingly" ... accordingly how? To the first sentence. The scope of these regs is always the wording of the first sentence. So if you really dont think the citation aligns with the first sentence, it doesnt matter because the cited law is ONLY changed to reflect the first sentence. 2., nope gas masks are totally covered. They are listed as "defense articles" but trust me, they are there. See this ATF faq: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-and-implements-war-arms-export

Yeah but isn't their some ambiguity there? "The regulation....is repealed. [Citations] are amended accordingly" could be read to be striking the full provision within that citation that regulates the specified instance as well as many other things, no?
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The regulation on fertilizer purchases of more than 25 pounds is hereby eliminated. 6 U.S.C. § 488a is hereby repealed. This regulation regulates the purchase of ammonium nitrate, which is used in fertilizer but also explosives.

It is also ridiculously, ridiculously burdensome for every farmer to have to submit paperwork to the FB flippin I every time they buy schit to mix into the soil, not to mention the staff hours eaten up. The number of vendors of fertilizers tanked after the original dumb regs were imposed. Hands of our poop!

It is ridiculous that you continue to insist on framing this as solely a regulation about fertilizer when it's also a regulation about explosives lol.
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The regulation requiring the recall of any vehicle with easy to peel off warning labels is hereby eliminated. 49 CFR 573.6 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure warning labels stay on cars better.

And can cost MILLIONS of dollars in recalls. My car is not defective because it is easier to peel of the ugly labels on my sun visor ... if anything its worth MORE. The huge costs for the barest of benefits is not worth it. See for example: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2013-14-chevrolet-camaro-recalled-for-label-problem.html.

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Caffeine shall not be interpreted as an "unsafe food additive" in alcoholic beverages. FDA Guidance Letter dated November 17, 2010 is hereby rescinded. Caffeine and alcohol are well known to be an incredibly dangerous combination.

If I want to drink 4Loko how the hell is it any of your damn business? This goes beyond nannystatism to literal prohibition. It's like you want to regress to the 1920s. This is an incredibly arbitrary line to draw as far as victimless private activities are concerned. What's next? Red meat? Potato chips? Staring at phone screens?

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Partially-hydrogenated oils shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated June 17, 2015 is hereby rescinded. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats, which are obviously not safe.


And we are again on the Bloomberg Nannystate jackboot food police kick. How about you decide what you put in your body, and we all decide what we put in ours. If I want transfat, or rare steaks, or raw oysters ... that's my damn business. Go police your own family.

"If I want transfat" - implying that someone eating a product containing trans fats will actually be aware of that more than 5% of the time. Trans fats most certainly are dangerous, and most people wouldn't really be aware they're consuming any. It's not like there are going to be "trans fat options" and "non trans fat options" - manufacturers will just use them and try as hard as possible to obfuscate their presence.

Again, I'm actually fine with most of these products being publicly sold. What I'm not fine with is manufacturers being deliberately misleading about them. By using trans fats and then keeping the knowledge of them confined to the nutrition label on the back (a label which, I will note, you want to neuter even further), that's exactly what's happening.
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Incandescent lamps shall be exempt from federal energy conservation standards. 42 U.S.C. § 6295 shall be amended accordingly. This makes sure that incandescent lightbulbs have to follow the same rules as other lightbulbs

Thereby pricing them out of existence. It eliminates choice. Let me choose to buy the lightbulbs I want and you buy the ones you want (or burn hemp candles instead). This bill should be called the "Anti-Choice Nannystate Criminalization of Everything Act"

So according to this logic all environmental regulations should be repealed. Endangered Species Act? "I shoot what I want and you shoot what you want". Clean Water Act? "I pollute where I want and you pollute where you want".

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The regulation prohibiting clotheslines longer than 15 feet and limiting each campsite to 1 clothesline each in Zion National Park is hereby eliminated. 2016 Zion National Park Superintendants Compendium (a)(7) to 36 CFR 2.10 shall be amended accordingly. This is a regulation that prevents damage to the Zion National Park

How?! Why should Susie be criminally charged for having a 15 foot clothesline but not Tina who only had a 13 foot clothesline? Why does that 2 feet matter? There is no logic or reason there. It's about fear and control.

Just going to note that this is a line of reasoning that can be used to repeal almost anything. In many cases, lines have to be drawn somewhere. Haven't actually looked into the reg but that's not a meaningful argument lol.
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The determination that a shoelace can be a Machine Gun is hereby rescinded. ATF Determination Letter 3311/2007-615 (903050:JPV) is hereby rescinded. The source document actually says shoelaces can't be machine guns but can be used to increase the fire rate of a gun to make it as such

A man was convicted for possessing a machine simply for having a semiautomatic rifle and a shoestring tied around the trigger. Thats legally not a machine gun and yet ATF argued otherwise. We should not be ratifying the abandonment of defined criminal law just to “nail” people we think should be criminals who aren’t.

So wait. He modified a non-machine gun to behave exactly like a machine gun, but we shouldn't consider it a machine gun because of the materials used in the modification?
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The regulation setting a minimum ratio of raisins to bread in order to sell raisin bread in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 136.160(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation sets a clear definition of raisin bread.
The cost of verifying that every loaf of raisin bread contains an identical number of raisins is beyond expensive and unreasonable. There is no consumer benefit and certainly no safety issue. Again, its just word policing.
Once again, this thing with 'word policing'. Yes, there is a consumer benefit to what you call "word policing" - it prevents manufacturers from LYING. Again, you seem awfully worked up about the idea that businesses should not be able to lie about their products.
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The regulation prohibiting the possession of nunchucks in Fort Lewis is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 552.121(d) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only prohibits nunchuck possession outside legitimate martial arts training, despite the framing
Again, the FRAMING is that your right to own or carry nunchucks is limited. That you can use them solely for martial arts training does not mean you can magically carry them around as well. This should NOT be criminal. Hell, this encourages the carrying of NON-LETHAL weapons. Shouldn’t someone who hates gun rights support that?

Wait, are civilians normally allowed to carry firearms on military bases in all circumstances?

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The regulation requiring that labels on uncooked chicken contain a graphic of a skillet is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 381.125(b)(3)(iii) shall be amended accordingly. This is a graphic that'd be useful to symbolize it needs to be cooked, especially for those which English isn't a first language

Like no one notices it though. Its compelled speech for something no one even sees. That’s ridiculous.

I mean, the argument here can be made to remove pretty much any labeling or other transparency requirement. Which of course you probably support, but I don't think most of Congress does.
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The regulation prohibiting food packaging from mentioning “Love” as a food ingredient is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 101.4(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. Another blatant lie! This regulation only covers the ingredient list, but he frames it as banning it on the advertising part of the packaging.

Again you are claiming bad intentions even though that’s not the case based of the wording. As stated above, the amended is limited to the first sentence, which deals with “love” as an ingredient. So yes, duh, the citation is to regs for ingredient lists. The amendment is that “love” is not something that can be considered a “false ingredient list”. See: https://time.com/4969114/fda-granola-love/

So the implications of this cannot be understated. Mr. R is advocating permitting food manufacturers to LIE on ingredients lists. Trying to turn ingredients lists and nutrition labels into complete jokes which manufacturers can just use for unrelated advertising is the first step to eliminating them completely.
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The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant advertised as "lasting all day" unless it reduces armpit sweat by 20% over 24 hours in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly I don't think it's good to allow misleading advertising
It’s only misleading with an absurdly literalist take on puffery. No one wears deodorant expecting it to last through showers and sleep for a literal 24 hour period. This just demands stupid, pointless tests through word policing.

So again, Mr. R is advoacting permitting manufacturers to lie on packaging. I'd be perfectly open to a more flexible alternate standard, but instead you want any manufacturer to be able to say this regardless of what the product actually is.
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The regulation mandating that tampons be tested for absorbency with a condom machine is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 801.430(e) and (f) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps make sure that tampons actually work before they're brought onto the market
It locks in an arcane, 1970s era method for testing the absorbancy. Tampons should be free to innovate and be based off actual use, not how it hold up in a condom machine.
So then do you have a proposal for an alternate standard you'd like used? Or would you prefer they just be sold untested?
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The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of toiletries containing microbeads is hereby eliminated. 21 USC § 331 (ddd) and § 333(aaa) shall be amended accordingly. Microbeads are a great danger to our environment
And a great way to suspend solids in face wash. You do you, let us do us.

This river over here is a great place to dump all of our factory's waste products! You do you, let us do us.
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The regulation that rhubarb sherbert sold in interstate commerce be at least 10% rhubarb is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 135.140(d) shall be amended accordingly. Seems odd that you would want anything less
I don’t care if it seems odd. That we should impose such a rigorously specific standard on such a niche product is infuriating. 9% rhubarb … go to jail. 10% … that’s great. So arbitrary and unworthy of criminal penalties.

Uh, are any food manufacturing executives ever actually going to jail over any of this stuff?
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The regulation subjecting all vaping products to the same regulations as cigarettes shall be delayed until January 1, 2025. Vaping shares many of the same health issues as smoking, so it's quite reasonable to apply the same regulations to both.
And they will be. This delays implementation to allow device manufacturers to switchover. Why you want people smoking cigarettes over vaping is beyond me, but its not very progressive.

Wait, why does it take six years to change over? Many large e-cig brands haven't even been around longer than that...
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The regulation prohibiting the sale of baby pacifiers with leather or chain attached is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR §1500.18(a)(8 ) & 1511.6 shall be amended accordingly This is a regulation to protect from babies choking on pacifiers
Doesn’t seem particularly well tailored to that.

You don't see how regulating chains or leather straps is well tailored to prevent strangling?
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The regulation prohibiting cosmetic labiaplasty is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C § 116(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is against FGM. Surely we should be against that!
I thought a woman was sovereign over her own bodily autonomy. “My body, my choice”. We heard a lot of that Regionally from opponents of parental consent for abortions by minors. If a woman is truly sovereign over her body, and based of her sovereign right to choose, she and her doctor (also a woman) go forward with cosmetic labiplasty, why is that any man’s business?

I mean FGM is still a major enough and well known issue that it seems rather intentionally dishonest to stick it in the middle of a much longer bill and avoid referring to it in the terms it's generally referred to with in a political context.
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Collodial silver shall be considered an eligible over the counter medicine for the purposes of expenditures from Health Savings Account monies. Title XLII-7 of the Code of Atlasia shall be amended accordingly. Literally no scientific evidence suggests that collodial silver is safe or effective medicine.

This should be a decision between a woman and her doctor. If they want to use their own HSA money on a treatment that works for some people, that’s their business. More nannystate bullying of what people can put into their bodies.

This logic of course leads to the idea that it should be completely legal to send all your HSA money to scam televangelists because they'll heal you or whatever. The goal here is very clear: to allow money intended for healthcare to instead go towards scams.

So again, despite your ridiculous hand-wringing about "so many new crimes", the vast majority of things you want to be kept legal are just allowing businesses to cheat and scam people.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2019, 06:26:22 AM »

So the one thing that seems absolutely clear is that Mr. R reaallly wants to protect the rights of businesses to scam people.

Its not a scam to not meet some absurd literalist take on what a product "is" according to some bureaucrat. I have not scammed anyone by selling them raisin bread with 12 raisins one day and the raisin bread with 15 raisins the next. I have not scammed anyone by selling deodorant marketed as all day protection if it only holds up for 16 hours. I have not scammed anyone by saying my product is made with love. These are absurd attempts to have federal law enforcement regulate almost everything down to the last raisin, bean, and onion ring (excuse me Diced Onion Onion Ring).


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The regulation telling people that they cannot smoke in their home is hereby repealed. 24 CFR 965.653 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only applies to public housing, despite the framing here

The FRAMING is that someone living in public housing is still living in a HOME. How dare the government threaten to kick people out of public housing for smoking literally in the privacy of their HOME! You would punish the most vulnerable in society as part of some nanny-state crusade. That's extremely condescending to the poor.

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But the regulation doesn't just affect public housing...it applies to public hallways, community centers, and daycares. Are you seriously suggesting that people should have an absolute right to smoke in daycares?

The change did not apply to every single square foot of public housing property ... it applied inside frickin dwelling units. Again, the change is limited to the first sentence which says nothing about daycares. If i wanted to repeal the entire regulation Id have said the citation was repealed, not amended. There were occasional citations where we did that. That was not the case here, and the citation remains but for the change adopted.

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The regulation mandating that existing swimming pools install mechanical pool lifts is hereby repealed. 28 CFR 35.150(b) and 28 CFR 36.304(d) shall be amended accordingly. Makes pools more accessible to people with disabilities

It doesn't make pools more accessible to anyone when they shutdown. A ton on pools in lower cost motels shut down rather than spend the high costs to upgrade for an occasional speculative guest. That is the curse of unintended consequences that just arent being considered when you impose a criminal mandate on every aspect of our life. People will do the least cost thing needed to stay out of trouble ... in this case it is often discontinuing the pool service. See: https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Hotel-News/Hotels-scramble-to-meet-chair-lift-mandate-for-swimming-pools

By this logic, may as well repeal the entire ADA.
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The regulations prohibiting wine labels which comment on a competitor’s products, contain obscene or indecent images, contain a brand name similar to a type of liquor, or contain the bottling date in too large a font are hereby repealed. 27 CFR 4.39 shall be amended accordingly. The first item on the list is to prevent slander, the second is for obvious reasons, and the third is to prevent consumer confusion. I am willing to amend out the bottling date part, because who cares?

# 1 sweeps in MORE than just slander though. A key component of a constitutional regulation of speech (and this totally regulates speech) is narrowly tailoring the regulation to only sweep in the problem speech. Wine Brand A saying "Better than Wine Brand B" on the label is NOT slander. It's opinion. Who the hell cares about opinion? # 2 is NOT obvious to me ... why should the government censor wine labels? They literally used this regulation in real life to censor images of naked cherubs. It is highly problematic towards free speech. See: https://libationlawblog.com/2017/04/28/will-lee-v-tam-end-the-ttbs-censorship-of-beer-wine-and-spirits-labels-found-obscene-or-indecent/ . I still cant believe its a lefty being the prude on this. # 3 honestly the patronizing view of consumers taken by many of these DUMB regs is insulting. If a consumer buys Redbone Wine instead of Reddog Wine, that's at most a learning experience for the customer ... making it a crime to name your product a non-trademarked name you want is absurd. And # 4, I care ... why that should EVER be a crime is beyond explanation.

So, between #1 and #3 it's very clear what the goals here are: to legalize willful deception by allowing wine manufacturers to design packaging that deliberately tries to make consumers think it's something that it isn't.
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The regulation prohibiting the importation of gas masks without registering under the Arms Control Act is hereby repealed. 22 U.S.C. § 2794 and 27 CFR 447.42 shall be amended accordingly. Considering that through my reading of both regulations that gas masks aren't mentioned once, I'm certain this repeals a lot more than just gas masks

1. No it doesn't if you look at how these are written. The latter sentence merely states that the cited law be "amended accordingly" ... accordingly how? To the first sentence. The scope of these regs is always the wording of the first sentence. So if you really dont think the citation aligns with the first sentence, it doesnt matter because the cited law is ONLY changed to reflect the first sentence. 2., nope gas masks are totally covered. They are listed as "defense articles" but trust me, they are there. See this ATF faq: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-and-implements-war-arms-export

Yeah but isn't their some ambiguity there? "The regulation....is repealed. [Citations] are amended accordingly" could be read to be striking the full provision within that citation that regulates the specified instance as well as many other things, no?
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The regulation on fertilizer purchases of more than 25 pounds is hereby eliminated. 6 U.S.C. § 488a is hereby repealed. This regulation regulates the purchase of ammonium nitrate, which is used in fertilizer but also explosives.

It is also ridiculously, ridiculously burdensome for every farmer to have to submit paperwork to the FB flippin I every time they buy schit to mix into the soil, not to mention the staff hours eaten up. The number of vendors of fertilizers tanked after the original dumb regs were imposed. Hands of our poop!

It is ridiculous that you continue to insist on framing this as solely a regulation about fertilizer when it's also a regulation about explosives lol.
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The regulation requiring the recall of any vehicle with easy to peel off warning labels is hereby eliminated. 49 CFR 573.6 shall be amended accordingly. This regulation makes sure warning labels stay on cars better.

And can cost MILLIONS of dollars in recalls. My car is not defective because it is easier to peel of the ugly labels on my sun visor ... if anything its worth MORE. The huge costs for the barest of benefits is not worth it. See for example: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2013-14-chevrolet-camaro-recalled-for-label-problem.html.

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Caffeine shall not be interpreted as an "unsafe food additive" in alcoholic beverages. FDA Guidance Letter dated November 17, 2010 is hereby rescinded. Caffeine and alcohol are well known to be an incredibly dangerous combination.

If I want to drink 4Loko how the hell is it any of your damn business? This goes beyond nannystatism to literal prohibition. It's like you want to regress to the 1920s. This is an incredibly arbitrary line to draw as far as victimless private activities are concerned. What's next? Red meat? Potato chips? Staring at phone screens?

Does "unsafe food additive" mean it's actually banned, or just further regulated?
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Partially-hydrogenated oils shall be classified as “generally recognized as safe”. The FDA Final Determination dated June 17, 2015 is hereby rescinded. Partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fats, which are obviously not safe.


And we are again on the Bloomberg Nannystate jackboot food police kick. How about you decide what you put in your body, and we all decide what we put in ours. If I want transfat, or rare steaks, or raw oysters ... that's my damn business. Go police your own family.

"If I want transfat" - implying that someone eating a product containing trans fats will actually be aware of that more than 5% of the time. Trans fats most certainly are dangerous, and most people wouldn't really be aware they're consuming any. It's not like there are going to be "trans fat options" and "non trans fat options" - manufacturers will just use them and try as hard as possible to obfuscate their presence.

Again, I'm actually fine with most of these products being publicly sold. What I'm not fine with is manufacturers being deliberately misleading about them. By using trans fats and then keeping the knowledge of them confined to the nutrition label on the back (a label which, I will note, you want to neuter even further), that's exactly what's happening.
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Incandescent lamps shall be exempt from federal energy conservation standards. 42 U.S.C. § 6295 shall be amended accordingly. This makes sure that incandescent lightbulbs have to follow the same rules as other lightbulbs

Thereby pricing them out of existence. It eliminates choice. Let me choose to buy the lightbulbs I want and you buy the ones you want (or burn hemp candles instead). This bill should be called the "Anti-Choice Nannystate Criminalization of Everything Act"

So according to this logic all environmental regulations should be repealed. Endangered Species Act? "I shoot what I want and you shoot what you want". Clean Water Act? "I pollute where I want and you pollute where you want".

so pretty much this


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The regulation prohibiting clotheslines longer than 15 feet and limiting each campsite to 1 clothesline each in Zion National Park is hereby eliminated. 2016 Zion National Park Superintendants Compendium (a)(7) to 36 CFR 2.10 shall be amended accordingly. This is a regulation that prevents damage to the Zion National Park

How?! Why should Susie be criminally charged for having a 15 foot clothesline but not Tina who only had a 13 foot clothesline? Why does that 2 feet matter? There is no logic or reason there. It's about fear and control.

Just going to note that this is a line of reasoning that can be used to repeal almost anything. In many cases, lines have to be drawn somewhere. Haven't actually looked into the reg but that's not a meaningful argument lol.
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The determination that a shoelace can be a Machine Gun is hereby rescinded. ATF Determination Letter 3311/2007-615 (903050:JPV) is hereby rescinded. The source document actually says shoelaces can't be machine guns but can be used to increase the fire rate of a gun to make it as such

A man was convicted for possessing a machine simply for having a semiautomatic rifle and a shoestring tied around the trigger. Thats legally not a machine gun and yet ATF argued otherwise. We should not be ratifying the abandonment of defined criminal law just to “nail” people we think should be criminals who aren’t.

So wait. He modified a non-machine gun to behave exactly like a machine gun, but we shouldn't consider it a machine gun because of the materials used in the modification?
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The regulation setting a minimum ratio of raisins to bread in order to sell raisin bread in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 136.160(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation sets a clear definition of raisin bread.
The cost of verifying that every loaf of raisin bread contains an identical number of raisins is beyond expensive and unreasonable. There is no consumer benefit and certainly no safety issue. Again, its just word policing.
Once again, this thing with 'word policing'. Yes, there is a consumer benefit to what you call "word policing" - it prevents manufacturers from LYING. Again, you seem awfully worked up about the idea that businesses should not be able to lie about their products.
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The regulation prohibiting the possession of nunchucks in Fort Lewis is hereby eliminated. 32 CFR 552.121(d) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation only prohibits nunchuck possession outside legitimate martial arts training, despite the framing
Again, the FRAMING is that your right to own or carry nunchucks is limited. That you can use them solely for martial arts training does not mean you can magically carry them around as well. This should NOT be criminal. Hell, this encourages the carrying of NON-LETHAL weapons. Shouldn’t someone who hates gun rights support that?

Wait, are civilians normally allowed to carry firearms on military bases in all circumstances?

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The regulation requiring that labels on uncooked chicken contain a graphic of a skillet is hereby eliminated. 9 CFR 381.125(b)(3)(iii) shall be amended accordingly. This is a graphic that'd be useful to symbolize it needs to be cooked, especially for those which English isn't a first language

Like no one notices it though. Its compelled speech for something no one even sees. That’s ridiculous.

I mean, the argument here can be made to remove pretty much any labeling or other transparency requirement. Which of course you probably support, but I don't think most of Congress does.
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The regulation prohibiting food packaging from mentioning “Love” as a food ingredient is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 101.4(a)(1) shall be amended accordingly. Another blatant lie! This regulation only covers the ingredient list, but he frames it as banning it on the advertising part of the packaging.

Again you are claiming bad intentions even though that’s not the case based of the wording. As stated above, the amended is limited to the first sentence, which deals with “love” as an ingredient. So yes, duh, the citation is to regs for ingredient lists. The amendment is that “love” is not something that can be considered a “false ingredient list”. See: https://time.com/4969114/fda-granola-love/

So the implications of this cannot be understated. Mr. R is advocating permitting food manufacturers to LIE on ingredients lists. Trying to turn ingredients lists and nutrition labels into complete jokes which manufacturers can just use for unrelated advertising is the first step to eliminating them completely.
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The regulation prohibiting the sale of deodorant advertised as "lasting all day" unless it reduces armpit sweat by 20% over 24 hours in interstate commerce is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 350.50(b)(3) shall be amended accordingly I don't think it's good to allow misleading advertising
It’s only misleading with an absurdly literalist take on puffery. No one wears deodorant expecting it to last through showers and sleep for a literal 24 hour period. This just demands stupid, pointless tests through word policing.

So again, Mr. R is advoacting permitting manufacturers to lie on packaging. I'd be perfectly open to a more flexible alternate standard, but instead you want any manufacturer to be able to say this regardless of what the product actually is.
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The regulation mandating that tampons be tested for absorbency with a condom machine is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 801.430(e) and (f) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation helps make sure that tampons actually work before they're brought onto the market
It locks in an arcane, 1970s era method for testing the absorbancy. Tampons should be free to innovate and be based off actual use, not how it hold up in a condom machine.
So then do you have a proposal for an alternate standard you'd like used? Or would you prefer they just be sold untested?
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The regulation prohibiting the manufacture or sale of toiletries containing microbeads is hereby eliminated. 21 USC § 331 (ddd) and § 333(aaa) shall be amended accordingly. Microbeads are a great danger to our environment
And a great way to suspend solids in face wash. You do you, let us do us.

This river over here is a great place to dump all of our factory's waste products! You do you, let us do us.
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The regulation that rhubarb sherbert sold in interstate commerce be at least 10% rhubarb is hereby eliminated. 21 CFR 135.140(d) shall be amended accordingly. Seems odd that you would want anything less
I don’t care if it seems odd. That we should impose such a rigorously specific standard on such a niche product is infuriating. 9% rhubarb … go to jail. 10% … that’s great. So arbitrary and unworthy of criminal penalties.

Uh, are any food manufacturing executives ever actually going to jail over any of this stuff?
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The regulation subjecting all vaping products to the same regulations as cigarettes shall be delayed until January 1, 2025. Vaping shares many of the same health issues as smoking, so it's quite reasonable to apply the same regulations to both.
And they will be. This delays implementation to allow device manufacturers to switchover. Why you want people smoking cigarettes over vaping is beyond me, but its not very progressive.

Wait, why does it take six years to change over? Many large e-cig brands haven't even been around longer than that...
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The regulation prohibiting the sale of baby pacifiers with leather or chain attached is hereby eliminated. 16 CFR §1500.18(a)(8 ) & 1511.6 shall be amended accordingly This is a regulation to protect from babies choking on pacifiers
Doesn’t seem particularly well tailored to that.

You don't see how regulating chains or leather straps is well tailored to prevent strangling?
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The regulation prohibiting cosmetic labiaplasty is hereby eliminated. 18 U.S.C § 116(b) shall be amended accordingly. This regulation is against FGM. Surely we should be against that!
I thought a woman was sovereign over her own bodily autonomy. “My body, my choice”. We heard a lot of that Regionally from opponents of parental consent for abortions by minors. If a woman is truly sovereign over her body, and based of her sovereign right to choose, she and her doctor (also a woman) go forward with cosmetic labiplasty, why is that any man’s business?

I mean FGM is still a major enough and well known issue that it seems rather intentionally dishonest to stick it in the middle of a much longer bill and avoid referring to it in the terms it's generally referred to with in a political context.
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Collodial silver shall be considered an eligible over the counter medicine for the purposes of expenditures from Health Savings Account monies. Title XLII-7 of the Code of Atlasia shall be amended accordingly. Literally no scientific evidence suggests that collodial silver is safe or effective medicine.

This should be a decision between a woman and her doctor. If they want to use their own HSA money on a treatment that works for some people, that’s their business. More nannystate bullying of what people can put into their bodies.

This logic of course leads to the idea that it should be completely legal to send all your HSA money to scam televangelists because they'll heal you or whatever. The goal here is very clear: to allow money intended for healthcare to instead go towards scams.

So again, despite your ridiculous hand-wringing about "so many new crimes", the vast majority of things you want to be kept legal are just allowing businesses to cheat and scam people.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2019, 07:35:52 PM »

I am not going to try and pick these apart one by one, but for instance on the close line regulation where Sestak says you have to draw line somewhere, isn't it in our interest to air on the side of not criminalizing something versus criminalizing it. While you say the argument can be used to repeal almost every regulation/law the reverse it also true, whereby every law/regulation becomes justified in turn. Therefore if such a regulation is necessary, perhaps minimizing that cutoff to the furthest extent possible while still achieving the objective is the best course.

Also I find the response to the point about mass scale of this reinstatement to have loud echos of "how can you attack Xahar, while defending Napoleon", though probably unintentionally since the sponsor was not present in the game when that meme came about (in fact the word meme was not even common place back then IIRC).

Some of these may indeed have a purpose, including for instance I am open to the arguments about the silver/HSA thing, but when it comes to the raisins or the onion rings, no one is going to be harmed if the federal government scales back its presence on those matters.

From working in a retail where I spend 95% of my time handling grocery products I can say that people are very picky by nature in terms of what they buy and either you get the "give me Great Value, its just as good as the name brand" or you get the "that cheap stuff is crap give me the name brand".

I think people have and will continue to make such determinations based on a wide variety of logical and illogical determinations and they will continue to do so no matter what the federal gov't says a particular food must contain in order to remain classified as one food instead of another.

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 12:28:37 PM »

So just as an update, I haven't forgotten about this. This is been one of the stupidest busy weeks ive had in a long, long time so ive basically been doing work work every evening until like 10 this week. Ill rebut the posted stuff as soon as i can.

Also remember weve only had about 60 of 250 new crimes referenced in the debate so far so we still have 75% of the bill to debate as well.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2019, 12:24:13 AM »

I realize this is a complex topic and such but could we resume discussion of the other portions of this bill like in the immediate future?

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 01:54:56 AM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 02:19:33 AM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.


This is a problem with many of these regulations repeal bills as well, though to arguably the credit of the sponsor, he’s always voted against these for largely that reason.

Yeah I think the sponsor got a start on this (because I recall him and a few others going through this on a Sunday while I was flying home from a vacation in Montana) and combined with all the other bills (we got through 32 last Congress after all), it seems to have fallen through the wayside. Spending so much time not on the 1st page hasn’t helped.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2019, 01:40:55 AM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.


This is a problem with many of these regulations repeal bills as well, though to arguably the credit of the sponsor, he’s always voted against these for largely that reason.

Yeah I think the sponsor got a start on this (because I recall him and a few others going through this on a Sunday while I was flying home from a vacation in Montana) and combined with all the other bills (we got through 32 last Congress after all), it seems to have fallen through the wayside. Spending so much time not on the 1st page hasn’t helped.

I would point out it is in slot 3 of the noticeboard though, which is rather near the top.  Operating from the board threads is so inefficient, particularly when you can just click to where you need to go so easily from the noticeboard.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2019, 03:51:40 AM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.


This is a problem with many of these regulations repeal bills as well, though to arguably the credit of the sponsor, he’s always voted against these for largely that reason.

Yeah I think the sponsor got a start on this (because I recall him and a few others going through this on a Sunday while I was flying home from a vacation in Montana) and combined with all the other bills (we got through 32 last Congress after all), it seems to have fallen through the wayside. Spending so much time not on the 1st page hasn’t helped.

I would point out it is in slot 3 of the noticeboard though, which is rather near the top.  Operating from the board threads is so inefficient, particularly when you can just click to where you need to go so easily from the noticeboard.

That requires people to be unlazy and click on the noticeboard Tongue You don’t know how many times back in the last term of the House where a bill would fall through the wayside even if being voted on due to it falling to the 2nd page.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2019, 10:39:28 PM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.


This is a problem with many of these regulations repeal bills as well, though to arguably the credit of the sponsor, he’s always voted against these for largely that reason.

Yeah I think the sponsor got a start on this (because I recall him and a few others going through this on a Sunday while I was flying home from a vacation in Montana) and combined with all the other bills (we got through 32 last Congress after all), it seems to have fallen through the wayside. Spending so much time not on the 1st page hasn’t helped.

I would point out it is in slot 3 of the noticeboard though, which is rather near the top.  Operating from the board threads is so inefficient, particularly when you can just click to where you need to go so easily from the noticeboard.

That requires people to be unlazy and click on the noticeboard Tongue You don’t know how many times back in the last term of the House where a bill would fall through the wayside even if being voted on due to it falling to the 2nd page.

Do you guys have a discord channel for the House?
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 12:31:21 AM »

This bill annoys me. For so short a text, it contains a lot of changes and a lot of moving parts that seems to be a tall order to actually debate them.

I have also PMed the major players a while ago now, and yet nothing has occurred since then.


This is a problem with many of these regulations repeal bills as well, though to arguably the credit of the sponsor, he’s always voted against these for largely that reason.

Yeah I think the sponsor got a start on this (because I recall him and a few others going through this on a Sunday while I was flying home from a vacation in Montana) and combined with all the other bills (we got through 32 last Congress after all), it seems to have fallen through the wayside. Spending so much time not on the 1st page hasn’t helped.

I would point out it is in slot 3 of the noticeboard though, which is rather near the top.  Operating from the board threads is so inefficient, particularly when you can just click to where you need to go so easily from the noticeboard.

That requires people to be unlazy and click on the noticeboard Tongue You don’t know how many times back in the last term of the House where a bill would fall through the wayside even if being voted on due to it falling to the 2nd page.

Do you guys have a discord channel for the House?

Not with the entire House, no.

I wouldn't say it changed the outcome of things though. We consistently got everyone on the Labor/Pax side to show up and vote fairly quickly without much effort (now getting people to cosponsor other bills so not all of the slots are empty obviously required some more communication) which usually got us past 5 votes, with the Feds/ACP usually voting no or not voting at all on everything else.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 12:41:39 AM »

To help get the ball rolling again, I offered thoughts on this privately (I intended to do it on here at the time but I didn't get around to it) that I'm pasting here.

[11:18 PM] YE: The cap on beer makes the most sense for sure
[11:19 PM] YE: Iffy on the smartphone one
[11:19 PM] YE: He’s right on the Love one unless I’m missing something
[11:21 PM] YE: The unliscened dog one and air soft rifles seem fine regs
[11:22 PM] YE: Lean towards trusting him on the tampon one but not sure
[11:23 PM] YE: Watersales and fireworks ones seem fine regulations
[11:24 PM] YE: The chewing gum one is kinda nannystating
[11:25 PM] YE: The bunk breads reg is fine
[11:26 PM] YE: Empty space one I don’t think is criminalized/enforced anywhere IRL
[11:28 PM] YE: The micro breads and air furnaces ones seem justifiable regs even if they have downsides
[11:29 PM] YE: In regards to rhubarb you have to draw the line somewhere
[11:30 PM] YE: Not sure on the margarine and butter reg honestly
[11:31 PM] YE: The dedorant one isn’t a deal breaker but that reg has merit
[11:32 PM] YE: I trust Reactionary on HOME
[11:36 PM] YE: The pacifier reg seems reasonable
[11:36 PM] YE: FGM warrants separate debate and shouldn’t be in a bill like this
[11:38 PM] YE: Copper mesh reg seems reasonable
[11:39 PM] YE: Colloidal silver should not be on specificed health savings accounts I think
[11:40 PM] YE: The barter currency one seems iffy to me could go either way
[11:41 PM] YE: The rubber suppressor wipe reg is fine
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2019, 02:56:24 AM »

Ontario would you be on board with an amendment that reflects the above chat log?
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2019, 03:58:53 PM »

I would support the proposed amendment
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