Universal health care

[Frodo]

the Bismarck model?  

One of these days that is going to trigger a nervous breakdown...

Explain? 

[Banjo Broski]

I oppose all form of health care. Repeal Obamacare go back to what we had before also cut Medicare.

[Gass3268]

Obamacare is hear to stay! The only thing to do now is to expand it!

[General White]

I oppose UHC.

[Franzl]

I oppose UHC.

Survival of the fittest, eh?

[General White]

I oppose UHC.

Survival of the fittest, eh?

Free healthcare with no taxes is not a right.

[Franzl]

I oppose UHC.

Survival of the fittest, eh?

Free healthcare with no taxes is not a right.

As I said: survival of the fittest.

[General White]

I oppose UHC.

Survival of the fittest, eh?

Free healthcare with no taxes is not a right.

As I said: survival of the fittest.

The thing about healthcare is you have to lower the cost but keep it in the free market like in the 50s.

[Vosem]

Obamacare is hear to stay! The only thing to do now is to expand it!

Good luck with not having Republican state administrations/Congress not slowly grind it down, or at least degenerate very large parts into lawsuits that may well not be settled in the law's favor. Also keep in mind that folks who want to repeal the law outright continue to form an outright majority in the United States, and keep in mind that while Republicans just accepted the Great Society, repealing parts of the New Deal was still a mainstream position that could've won well into the early 1950s -- or fifteen years later. It's perfectly plausible that, in the aftermath of the wave of 2028, Obamacare finally gets repealed. Or sooner. Or it could stay; 2012 was basically it's biggest threat and clearly it's passed that hurdle.

But it ain't getting expanded.

[Kushahontas]

when did the git-r-done types join the forum?

[Tender Branson]

A comparison of the Austrian and US healthcare system by CNN in 3 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXvDSGYtHFw

A more detailed report is here:

http://austrianinformation.org/current-issue-summer-2012/2012/8/21/austrias-health-care-system.html

http://www.bmg.gv.at/cms/home/attachments/2/1/2/CH1015/CMS1287855495948/the_austrian_health_care_system_2010_e1.pdf

[General White]

A comparison of the Austrian and US healthcare system by CNN in 3 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXvDSGYtHFw

A more detailed report is here:

http://www.bmg.gv.at/cms/home/attachments/2/1/2/CH1015/CMS1287855495948/the_austrian_health_care_system_2010_e1.pdf

Wow good links. Id be willing to pay for Universal Healthcare if we reformed to a Progressive taxation but only after we balance the budget,deport all 12million illegal immigrants/secure our borders/fine mexico for all there evil criminal illegals and make them pay use for all there damage,bring jobs back home and reform to a fair tax system.

[Tender Branson]

This pretty much sums up my opinion on this:

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[Franzl]

That sentiment isn't just an Austrian one...but rather of the entire rich world with the exception of the United States.

[anvi]

Of the viable systems out there now (and yes, these are somewhat artificial classifications), my rankings of best to worst are:

Bismarck
Beveridge
National Health Insurance model
U.S. System
Out-of-Pocket Systems

[Marnetmar]

when did the git-r-done types join the forum?

Kushahontas just because im redneck does not mean i a idiot or a dumbass

I hate universal healthcare it the dumbest idea ever obamacare almost as bad i say we have a 100% privatized healthcare system who with me.

Why is it a dumb idea? Saying that something is a bad idea without actually explaining why makes you look like an idiot in my eyes whether I agree with you or not.

Do your own research or go home.

[Supermariobros]

Oppose how are we going to afford it?. The Canadian economy is broke from a full out Free Healthcare system. Everyperson should be made to buy there own Private Insurance its that simple.

[Franzl]

Oppose how are we going to afford it?. The Canadian economy is broke from a full out Free Healthcare system. Everyperson should be made to buy there own Private Insurance its that simple.

Why are we getting so many idiots lately?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Everyperson should be made to buy there own Private Insurance its that simple.

So you support Obamacare, then?

[Supermariobros]

Oppose how are we going to afford it?. The Canadian economy is broke from a full out Free Healthcare system. Everyperson should be made to buy there own Private Insurance its that simple.

Why are we getting so many idiots lately?

Wow so just because I dont support government run healthcare means im a idiot?. Try again.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Oppose how are we going to afford it?. The Canadian economy is broke from a full out Free Healthcare system. Everyperson should be made to buy there own Private Insurance its that simple.

Why are we getting so many idiots lately?

Wow so just because I dont support government run healthcare means im a idiot?. Try again.

This might have more to do with it.

[anvi]

In the '50's, a lot of the major health insurance plans like Blue Cross were non-profit organizations, and that gave them tax-exempt status and enabled them to charge low premiums.  Other commercial plans during this decade began to be offered through employers where unions negotiated good work contracts.

There are different degrees to which government regulates health care.  In some systems, government owns the hospitals and many of the care facilities as well as pays the medical bills, while in others, like Bismarck systems, providers are private, and what the government does is annually negotiated medical price caps and require insurance companies to be non-profit orgainizations.  

The Canadian economy is not broke.  In fact, one of the benefits of having alternative health care systems to the U.S. is that they cost the countries in which they exist far, far less than ours costs us, and have superior medical outcomes in many important areas to boot.  

There are good reasons that people favor and oppose different health care and insurance systems.  But, in the U.S., when people throw around labels like "socialized medicine" and such, they often don't inform themselves very much about the systems they are criticizing.

[DC Al Fine]

The Canadian economy is not broke.  In fact, one of the benefits of having alternative health care systems to the U.S. is that they cost the countries in which they exist far, far less than ours costs us, and have superior medical outcomes in many important areas to boot.  

Err, our economy is certainly not broken, but our medical outcomes aren't the best. Wait times and expanding costs are a major issue in Canada.

[Franzl]

The Canadian economy is not broke.  In fact, one of the benefits of having alternative health care systems to the U.S. is that they cost the countries in which they exist far, far less than ours costs us, and have superior medical outcomes in many important areas to boot.  

Err, our economy is certainly not broken, but our medical outcomes aren't the best. Wait times and expanding costs are a major issue in Canada.

The average person still can expect better outcomes on average (before someone quotes some study showing somewhat better cancer survival rates in the U.S.), and that for less money and with total security throughout life.

[anvi]

The Canadian economy is not broke.  In fact, one of the benefits of having alternative health care systems to the U.S. is that they cost the countries in which they exist far, far less than ours costs us, and have superior medical outcomes in many important areas to boot.  

Err, our economy is certainly not broken, but our medical outcomes aren't the best. Wait times and expanding costs are a major issue in Canada.

Health care costs are rising in every system given the growing populations and improvements in medical technology.  But wait times in Canada are surely a problem.  I've generally found Bismarck systems much more efficient in that respect.