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« on: August 11, 2019, 05:39:28 AM »
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Hello people! I have decided to make this thread about my country's politics, as it's name suggests. Since tommorow, I'll post daily updates on what sh**t goes on around here. It will be a lot since we are having all kinds of elections in the 2019-2020 cycle. Next one is presidential in November. Enjoy! If you have any questions on the topic, feel free to ask
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 03:17:58 PM »

Hey and welcome!

I have a question. From what I know about Romanian politics, it seems like ideology is, at best, an afterthought, and conflicts are mostly around clashes of egos. If that's true, then is there some overarching...thing that differentiates the parties? I understand that Romanian politics used to be based around one's opinion of Băsescu, but now that he's gone, what's the dividing line? Is it something like mildly autocratic Ceaușescu nostalgics (PSD and their puppets) vs. everybody else? Or am I entirely wrong about this?
You'd be entirely correct if you gave this answer 15 years ago, however ever since Basescu's election a more coherent debate started to emerge in Romania, between West vs East. And I don't mean that geo-politically (even PSD was afraid to attack the EU before Dragnea came along) but more like a debate on the political/cultural/organisation system the country should adopt. It is between the syncronisation with the Western Countries or adopting a model whose best comparison, even through imperfect, is with the one of Belarus. Basescu was the one who started this debate even through its roots were already in the society, by adopting a more West-leaning speech compared to all other politicians (calling Basescu a supported of the Western system, would be incorrect, he was rather a moderate on this debate), which is the reason he was so polarising. The 2010 austerity measures stopped this debate for a while, the focus being driven towards Basescu and his drastic cuts. However, once Basescu and his party lost control due to popular anger, Victor Ponta and then even more so Liviu Dragnea governed exactly in the "Eastern" way, which would be fine in 2000 but not in 2019. This led to a wave of hostility against them and their party, PSD, and made Romanians more and more leaning towards the "Western" side. If we were to translate this theory to the existing parties, USR-PLUS would be the "party of the West", PSD-ALDE-UDMR and disguised ProRo the one of the East. PNL is rather incoherent on all of this. Hope I clarified things for you all.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 05:59:39 PM »

11th August 2019 - Days of fire for Prime Minister Dancila
Viorica Dancila, the first female Prime Minister of Romania, who was picked for her obedience to her Boss, Liviu Dragnea, has taken charge of the party after the corrupt PSD Leader was imprisoned, has been trying to create a "PSD with a human face" (Author's note: the phrase is notorious in Romania due to its 1st President post-communism said he wants to build "socialism with a human face" rather then a capitalistic society. He also said he'll build an "original democracy") following large segments of society going mad at Dragnea and his puppets and demolished them at the EU elections. However her plan was thwarted by recent developments.
First of all, the spark which started the fire was the state's incompetence in rescuing a kidnapped girl who phoned the emergency number 5 times and was told to close the phone because she was keeping the line busy. Afterwards, the Police waited 19 hours to locate the girl and 4 hours to sit in front of the house of the kidnapper waiting for a warrant they didn't need. (if that doesn't tell you everything about the Romanian state, idk what could). In the mean time, the girl went missing, likely dead. The public outrage was taken by the Police and the PSD, who ruled for more then half of the time since revolution and is seen as guilty of the authorities's incompetence.
Second of all, ALDE, PSD's coalition partner, threatened to leave the ship as its support declined due to it being PSD's loudest puppet for many years, and join ProRomania (anti-Dragnea&Dancila PSD faction which is led by Victor Ponta) in opposition. A reason for this might be Dancila refusing to back Tariceanu (the leader of ALDE) for President but run herself. If ALDE leaves the coalition, PSD will no longer have a majority unless the Hungarians and other minorities join them (unlikely) and snap elections will be held.
And third of all, yesterday it was the 1st aniversary of 10 august 2018, in which the Police used force against anti-PSD protestors and harmed thousands of peaceful men and women and even children. This action was likely ordered by Dragnea and executed by his protege and Homeland Security Secretary, Carmen Dan. 20.000 rallied to Bucharest in commemoration, and likely the number would have grown if the deeply despised Dragnea and Dan were still around on the political scene. The PSD made no comments on this, in stark difference to last year when Dragnea said the rally was an "attempt by the deep state, using the misinformed Romanians outside the country, to stage a coup d'etat against the PSD govt"
But this is not it, because the above-mentioned Dragnea, now in jail, contested the election of Viorica Dancila as PSD Leader saying it is not statutory. If the judges decide he is right, it is unclear what will happen next.
So overall a bad week for Dancila when she could have afforded it the least, given how close the Presidential election is.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2019, 07:41:25 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2019, 08:20:51 AM by RGM2609 »

Welcome to the forum, really looking forward to you staying round!

Just a small style point: It's much easier on the eyes if you separate paragraphs by skipping a line.

What is Victor Ponta's game with PRO? IIRC he was perceived as a corrupt strongman so it's hard to buy him as some sort of liberal reformer. What's you view on the guy?
I don't like the guy because I don't believe his shocking transformation, I think he has no political ideology and is just swinging around being what he thinks the electorate wants him to be. He was a typical PSD corrupt leader as PM, after Dragnea ousted him he turned into full nationalism and conspiracy theories and then, when PSD took over that message, he became the liberal reformer he "is" today. Another reason for which I am skeptical of his change is that he welcomed with open arms Adrian Tutuianu, a man who used to dominate my county or state idk which is more accurate and is very controversial to say the least, in his party. I used to think he wants to come back to PSD when Dragnea gets ousted but now I believe his game is more long term - pushing PSD into PiS/Orban ideology while taking its electorate away. About the "liberal reformer" thing - he is appealing to what I like to call "embarassed PSD fans" - people respected in their communities likely from small towns or large rural areas who supported PSD when it was strong and powerful but started to turn away from it in the Dragnea Era when supporting it publicly would lead to them being ridiculed and lose prestige. This is one of his largest voting groups, together with people mobilised by PSD politicians who defected. He is also kind of getting a reevaluation now, especially when compared to Dragnea - the average Romanian still dislikes him, but doesn't hate him anymore. I hope I clarified the Ponta thing
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 01:35:33 PM »

What is PLUS doing now with Ciolos as leader of the RENEW group in the EP? Is he still active in Romanian media, or do they have other figures who can keep the party afloat?
Not really. PLUS was pretty much a one men party (no offense to all of its respectable members), and with him going in Bruxelles, it faded into the background. They signed an electoral alliance for the entire cycle with USR so they will get a few members into offices but it is pretty clear to everyone which party dominates the alliance - internally, publicly and electoraly. I think the Party's future is either an absorbtion or becoming for USR like KDNP is for Fidesz, tho Romanian politics tend to complicate in surprising ways
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 05:24:59 PM »

12th August 2019 - Ponta's gamble likely failed: PSD-ALDE continues without PRO, and how bad can Dancila's proposals for EU Commissar be

Ponta's attempt to either break the coalition or get in it seams to have failed - in an extraordinary meeting Dancila ceded a lot of ground to ALDE and its leader, Tariceanu. More Cabinet positions for the party who got 4% at the last EU election (ALDE) the canceling of the budgetary reconciliation PSD was planning due to their financial incompetence which buried Romania in debt and deficit and the rewriting of the disastrous governmantal agenda which was wrote by Dragnea, who is one in jail. The biggest losers were Ponta and his party, who Dancila refused to include in the majority and ALDE sacrificed their plans to join PRO in favor of PSD's offers. However the elephant în the room, the presidential election, was not settled. Tariceanu is desperate to run for the job with PSD's backing, who refused the proposal and nominated Dancila. Tariceanu is known for his ego, and might despise Dancila for running against him so much that he may return to PRO. But we will see.

Dancila's proposals for the EU Commissar  were 2: Rovana Plumb and Dan Nica. Both are disastreous and I doubt EU accepting them. Dan Nica was sued for fraud with IT licences, lied on the floor of the EU Parliament about 98% of those accused of corruption în Romania are found innocent (real date: 10%), supported Dragnea's push against justice and was alledgedly payed by a Swedish company for lobby. Rovana Plumb is even worse. I happen to live in the county/state she rules over with puppets and I can tell you this: she is nicknamed "Mommy" because she appoints her son in all kinds of important offices without him proofing any kind of competence at any point, she is suspected to have given an island to the County/State ruled by Dragnea while Secretary, dar a big supported of Dragnea and his corrupt actions, she registred her car in Bulgaria to avoid paying a tax that was proposed and put în place by ... herself, and she praised all PSD Leaders while în power then after they are gone slam them. For example, she seemed close to having an orgasm while daily praising Dragnea în the EU campaign, and even went as far as saying that "Romania is Dragnea's". After he got arrested she said she has better things to do then visiting the, according to her earlier statement, owner of Romania. Ponta got treated în the same way and Dancila is on track of getting it too. So yeah...


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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2019, 05:57:06 AM »

With von der Leyen's insistence on a gender-equal comission, I guess a female candidate would be more likely to end up being accepted. I think currently, 12 male and 9 female commissioners have been nominated. But corruption charges like the one you mention certainly seem like something the EP could use to reject a nominee if they wish to
The investigation into Plumb was stopped by the Romanian Parliament's refusal to cancel her judicial immunity. Now that she is a member of the EU Parliament, idk if she still has immunity. She might even get arrested without it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 05:20:45 PM »

13 August 2019 - Tariceanu puts Dancila in a tight spot and the Crimes of Caracal still in the spotlight

Senate Chairman and ALDE Leader Calin Popescu Tariceanu once again changed his mind while sleeping. After yesterday seemingly coming to an agreement with Dancila on the future of the coalition, today he said the cabinet is "incompetent" and state agencies just pretend to be working, which are pretty big words coming from someone in power. This statements put PM Dancila in a very tight spot, who is seemingly blackmailed by ALDE. To be fair she did today gaffes too, by accusing sexism as the reason she is criticized and appointing the men of media oligarch Dan Voiculescu to coordinate the building of roads. About Tariceanu, I still think his goal is the Presidency, and tries to blackmail both PSD and Pro Romania into supporting him, but he has taken things too far and I wouldn't be surprised if both decide to screw him over due to how annoyed they are.

The Crimes of Caracal are still in the spotlight as the 2 girls seem to be dead due to the state's incompetence. Political implications later. Now just RIP...

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2019, 05:45:46 PM »

Sorry guys I accidentaly deleted everything I wrote so I will give you a quick update since I don't feel I am up to writing it again now: Tariceanu and Dancila continue to clash, Dancila said that Tariceanu was likely thinking of ALDE's Secretaries when he said the Cabinet was incompetent even tho she later backed down and said that people from both parties need to go, and Mayor Firea of Bucharest did new strange things: imposed a tax on cars to cover up for the waste that happened during her tenure and which bankrupted the entire city, all while trying desperately to save her ineffective and declared illegal municipal public companies through loopholes. Also, please tell me what u think of this so far!
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2019, 09:56:24 AM »

Great to have you on the forum! Thank you for these updates. Like Tack said, please don’t feel obligated to post daily updates if there’s nothing big going on, but I greatly appreciate reading your posts about what’s going on in Romania Cheesy
Thanks everyone! Weirdly, everyone here just minded his/her own busniess so far today and nothing of note happened - except maybe for an incident at President Iohannis's Navy Day Speech, where a soldier fainted during the speech but he continued coldly. However this doesn't clash with Iohannis's cynical, cold public personna so is unlikely to produce any effects
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2019, 12:47:26 PM »

Thank you for having you on the forum. Do you have an idea who i would vote for in Romania if i vote PVDA-PTB in Belgium (a bit to the left than Sanders, BE (Portugal), Podemos, Corbyn's Labour and similar to PCF and PaP in Italy. Or are the social dems really the best option. Are they truly left-wing?
Definetly not. There are American billionares, fascist movements and authentic conservatives that are to the left of PSD economically, socially or both. About the vote - hmm. If you are integrated in the Romanian current debate (details in the thread), you'd most likely vote for USR-PLUS, because I doubt you like Neo-Feudalism. If you continue to vote based on Western ideologies tho, I think you'd vote for a small activist party named Demos.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2019, 06:37:11 PM »

Viorica Dancila's electoral journey goes badly - like everything for her this days.
PM Dancila has already started campaigning for the Presidential election, by going in an official visit all around Moldova - a region which was traditionally enslaved by PSD but started rising up in the Ponta-Dragnea Era, an visit in which she visited party HQs and hospitals in which she bragged about the quality of the healthcare system (in which people go to hospital with cold and leave it dead or with some grave ilness) and how much the PSD govt doubled the salaries of doctors and other public workers (so much our government is almost bankrupt in the name of populism). Her visit was however instantly ridiculed because she used a helicopter to go to the region which has no highways after years and years of PSD government. She also met a few hecklers in Iasi, a city which is nowadays hating PSD but it could have been worse. Dragnea had a rally there in which he brought people from all corners of Moldova but there came as many people to counter-manifesto from Iasi only. The PM met with the Leader of the Hungarian party, probably to discuss a new governing majority if ALDE leaves. She made a few announcments about replacing some Secretaries and re-writing the governing program, nothing big tho. She also responded to criticism to her disastreous EU Commissar proposals by saying: "it was my choice to propose them". I would be very disappointed if they ever get close to the job.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2019, 05:42:08 PM »

Nothing big today - except Dancila announcing another PSD Convention in August 24th to likely nominate her as a Presidential candidate. Her running likely against her will is gonna be the last straw on her crumbling political future - especially if she, as polls suggest, fails to get in the 2nd round.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2019, 04:37:32 PM »

Dancila - new weird statements

While the rest of the political scene seems to be rather quiet during this hot days around here, Viorica Dancila seems desperate to shock by saying falsehoods. In the context of President Iohannis's visit to Donald Trump come August 20th, she claimed the President somehow needed her approval to go, as well as the one of the PSD-controlled Parliament's. That is a shocking statement given the fact that the President actually leads Romania's foreign policy. The gaffe-loving Prime Minister also claims that Iohannis is going there just to make photos with Trump, and she should make him an agenda on which he should report to the people. The diplomacy of "making photos" was risen to the rank of art by no other then Liviu Dragnea, Dancila's former political master, who in an attempt to gain prestige, dictated on live TV that Romania should move its Embassy to Jerusalem, without even announcing the President, who leads the foreign policy as I said. Iohannis opposed this power grab, and this escalated to an embarassing circus lasting for a few months, with Benjamin Netanyahu canceling his visit twice. At the end, Dragnea-Dancila got their way, but the prestige expected to be gained didn't materialise for them. So pretty rich of Dancila to accuse others of using diplomacy to make photos. Also, she said that the underdogs won the last 3 presidential elections so she isn't worried about the polls that show her far, far behing. While this is technically true, none of the above-mentioned underdogs start at such a low level as her, and also, the PSD candidates were the ones in the last 3 elections who were upset by them, soo...not a good comparison there.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2019, 07:59:19 AM »

Thank you for having you on the forum. Do you have an idea who i would vote for in Romania if i vote PVDA-PTB in Belgium (a bit to the left than Sanders, BE (Portugal), Podemos, Corbyn's Labour and similar to PCF and PaP in Italy. Or are the social dems really the best option. Are they truly left-wing?
Definetly not. There are American billionares, fascist movements and authentic conservatives that are to the left of PSD economically, socially or both. About the vote - hmm. If you are integrated in the Romanian current debate (details in the thread), you'd most likely vote for USR-PLUS, because I doubt you like Neo-Feudalism. If you continue to vote based on Western ideologies tho, I think you'd vote for a small activist party named Demos.
It depends on whether USR-PLUS is more like M5S or En Marche. I dislike EM, but like M5S. I like an anti-corruption platform but i am skeptical of other policies.
Yeah, I think they are more like En Marche, altho they aren't in government, so an opposition En Marche idk. So not USR PLUS. My best bet is Demos.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2019, 11:29:46 AM »

Thank you for having you on the forum. Do you have an idea who i would vote for in Romania if i vote PVDA-PTB in Belgium (a bit to the left than Sanders, BE (Portugal), Podemos, Corbyn's Labour and similar to PCF and PaP in Italy. Or are the social dems really the best option. Are they truly left-wing?
Definetly not. There are American billionares, fascist movements and authentic conservatives that are to the left of PSD economically, socially or both. About the vote - hmm. If you are integrated in the Romanian current debate (details in the thread), you'd most likely vote for USR-PLUS, because I doubt you like Neo-Feudalism. If you continue to vote based on Western ideologies tho, I think you'd vote for a small activist party named Demos.
It depends on whether USR-PLUS is more like M5S or En Marche. I dislike EM, but like M5S. I like an anti-corruption platform but i am skeptical of other policies.
Yeah, I think they are more like En Marche, altho they aren't in government, so an opposition En Marche idk. So not USR PLUS. My best bet is Demos.
I think Demos as well. Have seen their website, and it looks great. Unfortunately it doesn't have a lot of electoral support yet.
That just shows how NOT left vs right the society is. When all parties except USR-PLUS (who is actually a mixture of progressives, centrists and conservatives under a centrist platform, a banner of modernisation and representing basically the political way for the supporters of Western models to fight PSD) could easily be described as Rightist Conservatives, in any other country to the West of Romania, a leftist party like Demos would rise immediately.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2019, 04:49:12 PM »

The coalition drama reaches its ending point

The expiring date of the ultimatum that ALDE placed on Dancila and PSD is today - and the PM has not followed its terms, which involve a new govt platform and the dismissal of some Secretaries. Not only that but she seemed to... ignore Tariceanu and his demands, not attending the Coalition meeting of today despite not having any reasons for doing so. Also today, Dancila will leave the country and meet with Ursula von der Leyern, likely to lobby for her awful Commissar candidates. This attitude seems strange, especially as if ALDE leaves, she is out of coalition partner options. UDMR vocally said they will not join any government headed by PSD, despite them being loyal partners of the same PSD in the Dragnea Era, likely because they fear the electoral consequences if they join the government. And the ProRomania option is now clearly off the table too, as Ponta revealed on Facebook that he had a meeting with Dancila, where he went with 5 conditions to join the govt. Dancila, probably not understanding them, quickly agreed with the 4 conditions on policies, but rejected the 5th demanding her to back down from running for President. Then, she called on a vote in the PSD Council, claiming that the party rejected a coalition with Pro Romania. This started a Facebook war in which Dancila called Ponta a "liar", a "double-faced", a "attention seeker" and a " backroom dealer" while Ponta called Dancila "illiterate", "the puppet of oligarchs" and accused her the speeches of Liviu Dragnea. Both are correct about the other. We'll see what happens today, but one thing is clear: if ALDE leaves, a new government is improbable to form, leading to snap elections likely in the same day with the presidential one, in November.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2019, 04:36:36 PM »

Big day in foreign policy

Today Klaus Iohannis met with US President Trump at the White House. They discussed the visas for Romanians and the security of the country against any attacks. At the end of the meeting President Trump had kind words for Romania and Iohannis, honouring the progress my country has made, saying Iohannis is very respected and does a great job, as well as mentioning the ever improving Romanian-American relationship.
Viorica Dancila also went to an important meeting today with Ursula von der Leyern, however any details failed to reach Bucharest. The fact that Plumb and Nica never went to a hearing with der Leyern however shows that their appointment was likely rejected.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2019, 04:52:22 PM »

ALDE doesn't leave the government for now

Despite Dancila's refusal to respect ALDE's ultimatum which expired 2 days ago, the party isn't leaving the coalition and said they will "discuss what to do in the next month". After a meeting between Tariceanu and PM Dancila, they said they will discuss "results, perspectives and options" in September inside the party. This stumble just adds to ALDE's failures this years: the failed attempt to convince Dragnea to accept Tariceanu as PSD's candidate for Presidency, the epic failure from the EU election, when they did not reach the threshold and got 4% despite targeting 10%, the failure to dominate the coalition after Dragnea went down, the failure to get Ponta's party in the coalition and now this. At the same meeting, the 2 corrupts have decided that PSD-ALDE will participate in the extraordinary session of Parliament the opposition asked for and reject some stuck bills backed by Dragnea when he was rulling the nation (one written by the corrupt politicians 's most proeminent backer, Florin Iordache, and meant to bail them out of jail).
The EU Commissar drama however goes on. Dancila said she asked Von der Leyern for an important position like Transportation, Energy or the Environment, however no one knows who will occupy the position Romania will get. Dancila seems to drop Nica and stick with Plumb. We'll see

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 06:37:19 AM »

PSD seem to be a complete trainwreck of a party. Why were they reelected with such a big margin in 2016?
In terms of raw votes they didn't perform that well: 3.2 million votes from their natural electorate of about 4. However, their main opponent, PNL, was caught in a really bad spot: huge internal division, no clue on what message to promote, the ousting of Ponta and no PSD govt for the last year left the society apathic, just came from a huge defeat at the local elections, USR took away the votes of many well-educated people. That, together with PSD carefully avoiding to anger anyone during the campaign, led to a massive crash: 1.4 million votes for PNL, and left PSD the winner of a very low turnout election
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2019, 07:45:52 AM »

What kind of people vote for ALDE? The same embarassed ex-PSD crowd that supports Ponta?
It is a mystery to me too lol. I used to think that the embarrassed crowd is equally split between ALDE and Ponta, but the EU election made me think that 80-90% of those voters are Ponta's not ALDE's. As of right now, I think a few hundreds of thousands of voters are supporting ALDE and they are a combo of party members, voters from rural areas that are brought to vote by ALDE's few local officials, ex-PNL voters who left with Tariceanu in 2014, retirees who watch Antena 3/RTV a lot and bureaucrats who remember how good they were payed when Tariceanu was PM and now that he is in power, uniting the dots.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2019, 04:21:42 PM »

Sadly nothing of note happened today, however tommorow Viorica Dancila will have her launching rally, that could be fun. Also following the crimes from Caracal, PSD is preparing in a publicity stunt an Emergency Order to raise punishments for criminals, rapists and other violent offenders, after they themselfes lowered said punsihments across the board in an effort to save Dragnea from going to jail.
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2019, 04:38:36 PM »

Dancila changes Cabinet, new nominees face backlash, ALDE continues to humiliate itself

Today, Viorica Dancila announced a few changes to the Cabinet positions. The Education Secretary position would be taken by Serban Valeca, a nationalist in the 1990s who got into social-democracy after Adrian Nastase made him the Secretary of Research in 2000-2004, a position he also occupied for 6 months in 2017, and lacks any accomplishments to justify his appointment. This naming was necessary due to Dancila finally removing Ecaterina Andronescu, the one who buried the educational system in her 4 terms as Secretary, but not due to her sheer incompetence but due to her opposing Dancila within the party and refusing to postpone the start of school by a week to satisfy the hotel owners. However, the acting Secretary also refused to postpone, so he was not kept. The Homeland Security Secretary would be Mihai Fifor, this appointment being the least controversial. The one which started a lot of controversies was the one at Justice, where Ana Birchall was shockingly removed from her position to become the Deputy PM on Strategic Partenerships. This removal was because Birchall refused to appoint PSD members to jobs in the Department and wanted to disband Dragnea's Special Direction for Investigating Justices and Prosecuters. The one to replace her would be Dana Girbovan, the President of the Judge's Union, and a known supporter of Dragnea's attempts to shut down the judicial system. This appointment got a lot of heat, PNL and USR-PLUS attacking Girbovan's loud endorsement of all Executive Orders, Judicial Commissions, Special Directions and Legislative Modifications started by Dragnea, to some of which her organisation, which is contested by many judges, took an active part in. She also is an fierce opponent of the anti-corruption crusade started by the National Direction Against Corruption and a supporter of corrupt politicians. Some even compared her with the hated Florin Iordache. Another nominee taking some heat was Iulian Iancu, the new Deputy PM for Economical Matters, who is known as the voice of Russia's gas interests in Romania, blocking for many years the exploitation of gas in the Black Sea, forcing from the Industry Committee many modifications on the matter that advantaged Russia.
ALDE still hasn't waken up from its defeats and still threatens to ally with ProRomania and leave the government. After Dancila won the coalition game, they know they can't reasonably leave after all of this, but still threaten to. It is sad how low this party has gotten. I am 80% sure ALDE will not leave the government, because Tariceanu would likely care more for his parliamentary immunity and Senate Chairman position then for Ponta or his (Tariceanu's) failed from the beginning quest for the Presidency. But he has done surprising things before.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2019, 04:15:05 PM »

Would you like me to use pictures from now on?
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2019, 04:47:58 PM »

PSD Congress validates Viorica Dancila as party's presidential nominee

After almost 3 years of PSD-ALDE governing, the Romanians might not have too much bread. But they definetly didn't lack circus today. 1.000 people all around the country were brought up to clap when asked and listen more or less carefully to the slogans shouted today from the stage. The Prime Minister went into the room and was overwhelmed by people giving her flowers and trying to kiss her hand. She came together with Serghei Stanisev, who proudly announced that the relationships between PSD and PES returned to normalcy thanks to Viorica Dancila (Am really disappointed by PES allowing this corrupt right-wing party in their ranks). Then the Homeland Security Secreatry and Treasury Secretary went on to give speeches praising their new boss, once again showing how spineless some people from this party can be, and with this came the rousing speech of the PSD nominee for President. She said she grew up in a small town in a working class family and started getting involved with PSD 23 years ago, by putting up posters on walls and conducting door-to-door campaigning. The PM also said the country can't be run from Cotroceni or Parliament, but from between people. She also goes on about safety for people and the rule of law, when her own government made a laughing stock out of those notions by freeing serial killers and rapists to allow some corrupt politicians to leave too, saying she started a fight against criminality and the abuse against children - good goals, but given her track record, I doubt anything will come out of this fights -, promised reforms in the disastreous healthcare and education system, praised the growth in wages which bankrupted the budget and other on-paper accomplishments of the Dragnea Cabinets, attacked Iohannis by saying "a President isn't going to EU to answer, but to represent", Barna with "he builds up hatred in people's souls", and them both by "they are not close to Romanians, nor do they love them". Also in a weird rant towards PNL and USR-PLUS halfway through her speech she said: "they are walking over dead bodies", "they are cynical, cruel and hateful towards the Romanian people" and "they don't get what the people want". After this "extraordinary" speech, she went back to her only weapon - appeals to Christianity and Feminism. Classy! Somehow the people in the room still clapped.
Obviously after this, PNL and USR-PLUS responded forcefully, with Barna saying that he is so out-of-touch that he is going to small towns in Moldova by truck while Dancila visits party HQs by helicopter, and the PNL leader claiming Dancila should first try to win in her small town where she lost the Mayoral election in a landslide, before running for President. It is highely unlikely Dancila will get anywhere close to the Presidency. She is polling at historical lows for PSD and its candidates and even entering the 2nd round seems out-of-reach for her, which would be a humiliation for thia giant party but a much needed gift for Romania.
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