SB 19-41: G.I. Joe Act (Debating)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Really would like this discrepancy addressed:

Also Section II.b Clause 7 was removed via amendment in the House yet it is still present in the text.

Could we at least address this ^

[Devout Centrist]

Proposing an amendment:

G.I. JOE ACT

HOUSE BILL

SECTION I: NAME
a. This law shall be known as the G.I. Joe Act

SECTION II: WEAPONS PROGRAMS ELIMINATIONS
a. The following military weapons programs shall be eliminated:
   1. Eliminate C-130 Avionics Modernization Program;
   2. Eliminate C-17 Transport Aircraft Program;
   3. Eliminate C-27 Joint Cargo Aircraft Program;
   4. Eliminate EA-18G Growler Program;
   5. Eliminate EP-X Aircraft Program;
   6. Eliminate Far-Term Sea-Based Terminal Defense Program ;
   7. Eliminate Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Program;
   8. Eliminate Joint Strike Fighter Program;
   9. Eliminate JLENS blimp Program;
   10. Eliminate Littoral Combat Ship Program;
   11. Eliminate MEADS Program;
   12. Eliminate SM-3 II-B Missile Defense System Program;
   13. Eliminate TALOS Project;
   14. Eliminate Third Generation Infrared Surveillance Program;
   15. Eliminate Trident II Missile Program;
   16. Eliminate V-22 Osprey Program (Continue to use MH-60, H-92, CH-53)
b. The following military weapons shall be retired from service:
   1. HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter
   2. U-2 Spy Plane
   3. EP-3 Aires Aircraft
   4. Bell TH-67 Jet Ranger Helicopter
   5. Bell OH-58 Kiowa Helicopter
   6. A-10 Thunderbolt Attack Aircraft
  7. B-2 Spirit Bomber
   8. B-52 Stratofortress Bomber
c. A moratorium is hereby imposed on the purchase of the following until 2023:
   1. M-1 Abrams battle tanks
   2. San Antonio Class Amphibious Assault Ships
   3. Air Force Long Range Bomber research
d. Purchases of Operational Support Aircraft shall be reduced by 25%;
e. The naval fleet of small surface combat ships shall be reduced from 42 to 30. The ships to be retired shall be sold to foreign allies.
f. Funding for the Cruiser Modification Program shall be reduced by 30%

SECTION III: OTHER SAVINGS
a. No federal funding allocated for the Department of State shall be expended on counter-narcotics operations.
b. The National Guard shall be prohibited from enforcing drug laws on Atlasian soil.
c. The National Guard Agricultural Development Team program is hereby eliminated.
d. The High Risk Personnel Program for off-base housing is hereby eliminated.
e. Military bands shall be permitted to sell recordings of their music
f. Federal payments to private air carriers for transportation of military personnel shall not exceed those levels guaranteed in the contracted for agreement.

SECTION IV: TIME
a. This act shall take effect beginning in FY 2020.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

G.I. JOE ACT

HOUSE BILL

SECTION I: NAME
a. This law shall be known as the G.I. Joe Act

SECTION II: WEAPONS PROGRAMS ELIMINATIONS
a. The following military weapons programs shall be eliminated:
   1. Eliminate C-130 Avionics Modernization Program;
   2. Eliminate C-17 Transport Aircraft Program;
   3. Eliminate C-27 Joint Cargo Aircraft Program;
   4. Eliminate EA-18G Growler Program;
   5. Eliminate EP-X Aircraft Program;
   6. Eliminate Far-Term Sea-Based Terminal Defense Program ;
   7. Eliminate Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Program;
   8. Eliminate Joint Strike Fighter Program;
   9. Eliminate JLENS blimp Program;
   10. Eliminate Littoral Combat Ship Program;
   11. Eliminate MEADS Program;
   12. Eliminate SM-3 II-B Missile Defense System Program;
   13. Eliminate TALOS Project;
   14. Eliminate Third Generation Infrared Surveillance Program;
   15. Eliminate Trident II Missile Program;
   16. Eliminate V-22 Osprey Program (Continue to use MH-60, H-92, CH-53)
b. The following military weapons shall be retired from service:
   1. HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter
   2. U-2 Spy Plane
   3. EP-3 Aires Aircraft
   4. Bell TH-67 Jet Ranger Helicopter
   5. Bell OH-58 Kiowa Helicopter
   6. A-10 Thunderbolt Attack Aircraft
  7. B-2 Spirit Bomber
   8. B-52 Stratofortress Bomber
c. A moratorium is hereby imposed on the purchase of the following until 2023:
   1. M-1 Abrams battle tanks
   2. San Antonio Class Amphibious Assault Ships
   3. Air Force Long Range Bomber research
d. Purchases of Operational Support Aircraft shall be reduced by 25%;
e. The naval fleet of small surface combat ships shall be reduced from 42 to 30. The ships to be retired shall be sold to foreign allies.
f. Funding for the Cruiser Modification Program shall be reduced by 30%

SECTION III: OTHER SAVINGS
a. No federal funding allocated for the Department of State shall be expended on counter-narcotics operations.
b. The National Guard shall be prohibited from enforcing drug laws on Atlasian soil.
c. The National Guard Agricultural Development Team program is hereby eliminated.
d. The High Risk Personnel Program for off-base housing is hereby eliminated.
e. Military bands shall be permitted to sell recordings of their music
f. Federal payments to private air carriers for transportation of military personnel shall not exceed those levels guaranteed in the contracted for agreement.

SECTION IV: TIME
a. This act shall take effect beginning in FY 2020.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[YE]

Sorry for not noticing the certification error.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So about the M1 Abrams production question?

[Devout Centrist]

So about the M1 Abrams production question?

Ultimately, there will be some start-up costs associated with restarting M1 Abrams production. This is unavoidable.

However, let me be frank: we are rapidly moving away from traditional, symmetrical warfare. Main battle tanks sit rusting in fields for most of the lifetime (and hopefully they will continue to do so). Unless a future Administration wants to prosecute an offensive war, MBT's capabilities are limited at best. We ought to be investing in cyber defense instead of worrying about the start-up cost of MBT production in the future.

[Pyro]

I support the bill on the floor.
This appears to be a common sense reduction.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Perhaps but if it costs more to restart it when necessary than to keep it going that would be wasteful and counterproductive and so I would like to see the numbers if possible.

Also we are still waiting to here back about the numbers regarding the lost hardware in the Korean war and finally the transport fleet question hat Mr. R said he was looking into.

[Pericles]

Is there any progress with this?

[Devout Centrist]

Where are the numbers from the GM? Any preliminary estimates?

[Pericles]

Still nothing going on with this?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Lol. Sorry, totally forgot about this. Will try to project some numbers.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lol. Sorry, totally forgot about this. Will try to project some numbers.

Can we get a status update on this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lol. Sorry, totally forgot about this. Will try to project some numbers.

Can we get a status update on this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

On the matter of Tanks, I received this from the GM:

So for the tank thing the main holdup is figuring out how much yall want to buy after the moratorium ends. I found a few studies on punctuated purchases of military equipment like this and they basically agree that stopping production adds around 12% to the future startup costs. So if there is a moratorium until 2022 on m1 abrams purchases, the savings would be those costs expected to be spent on tanks through fy 2022, and the costs would be 12% on top of what would be spent on tanks.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I sent another inquiry about the other topics.

[Pericles]

Still no progress with this?

[Pericles]

Still no progress with this?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My last PM generated no response whatsoever.

[Dr. MB]

Motion to table.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to table.

Seconded

[Pericles]

Senators have 48 hours to vote on whether to table this bill, two thirds of those voting (excluding abstentions) must support the motion for it to pass.

[Dr. MB]

Aye

[ON Progressive]

Aye