Bernie thinks Lebron is greater than Jordan

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/d3v3dv/bernie_sanders_chooses_lebron_james_over_michael/

Lol looks like hes not knowledgeable about economics and basketball

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Lebron is better than Jordan though

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lebron is better than Jordan though

Lol no , LeBron is a better passer and rebounder but Jordan is the better man to man defender and way better scorer  . Jordan also has far more individual accolades then LeBron as well and far far less black marks on his resume .


Here are LeBron’s black marks :


2007 NBA Finals : 22 points per game on a horrible 36 % field goal percentage and a terrible PER and a game score of less than Manu Ginobili . While he shouldn’t be blamed for losing what so ever , a terrible individual performance like this is inexcusable.

2010 ECSF Games 5 and 6: Game 5 he was beyond bad and game 6 he had 9 turnovers .

2011 NBA finals : One of the If not the biggest choke job by a superstar in NBA finals history

 2014 NBA finals : His stars look good but his defense was horrid this series and most of these games he had one dominant quarter while being average for the remains 3


Jordan never ever had those black marks and if you want me to post his average playoff stats I can as well .

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Jordan will be remembered as the Greatest ever, LeBron will be remembered following in footsteps of Jordan & Kobe

[OSR stands with Israel]

Career wise nobody deserves to be mentioned in same sentence as Jordan with possible exception of Kareem . Peak wise only Shaq deserves to be mentioned in same sentence as Jordan


Here are Jordan’s playoff stats from the first 3 peak :


1991: 31.1 PPG , 8.4 APG, 6.4 RPG, 2.4 SPG , 52.4% FG(as a shooting guard by the way)  , 60% TS , Offensive Rating of 127!!!! , while a Defense rating of 101


1992: 34.5 PPG , 5.8 APG , 6.2 RPG, 2.0 SPG, 49.9% FG , 57.1% TS , Offensive Rating of 115 while Defensive Rating of 104


1993: 35.1 PPG, 6.0 APG , 6.7 RPG, 2.1 SPG, 47.5% FG , 55.3% TS, Offensive Rating of 119 while having a Defense Rating of 105

These are his finals in each one of those 3 seasons and he literally put up video game stats in those :


1991 Finals: 31.2 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 11.4 APG, 2.8 SPG, 55.8% FG , 61.2% TS , Offensive Rating of 125 and Defensive Rating of 102

1992 Finals: 35.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.7 SPG, 52.6% FG, 61.7% TS , Offensive Rating of 116 and Defense Rating of 104

1993 Finals: 41.0 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 50.8% FG, 55.8% TS, Offensive Rating of 119 and Defensive Rating of 112




Lastly also remember this is in time where handchecking was allowed

[OSR stands with Israel]

Jordan will be remembered as the Greatest ever, LeBron will be remembered following in footsteps of Jordan & Kobe

LeBron is clearly better than Kobe all time . He has him beat in almost every stat , accolade , has more Finals MVP’s was a better defender by far and was more impactful during his peak

[GeneralMacArthur]

Bernie is right for once.

[Xing]

Who care?

[RaphaelDLG]

@oldschoolrepublican -

Jordan played in an era where the complex Celtics / GSW style zone defense was illegal, making it way easier to score.  He also played on a team that won 52 games without him.

LeBron is as fast and as explosive as Jordan and about as good from deep but is 6'8" 250 lbs and can switch onto any position.  He also as you say passes and rebounds better.  The only thing he does worse are post moves.

[American2020]

Jordan never lost NBA Finals.

Jordan was awarded best scorer many times depiste the fact defeses were more severe than those today.

[Orwell]

@oldschoolrepublican -

Jordan played in an era where the complex Celtics / GSW style zone defense was illegal, making it way easier to score.  He also played on a team that won 52 games without him.

LeBron is as fast and as explosive as Jordan and about as good from deep but is 6'8" 250 lbs and can switch onto any position.  He also as you say passes and rebounds better.  The only thing he does worse are post moves.

Jordan played in an era of the Bad Boys Pistons defenses compared to Get to Work Defenses

[OSR stands with Israel]

@oldschoolrepublican -

Jordan played in an era where the complex Celtics / GSW style zone defense was illegal, making it way easier to score.  He also played on a team that won 52 games without him.

LeBron is as fast and as explosive as Jordan and about as good from deep but is 6'8" 250 lbs and can switch onto any position.  He also as you say passes and rebounds better.  The only thing he does worse are post moves.

Look at this video : https://youtu.be/p2v0LOhjsJs


https://youtu.be/4wLW2UwkcG4


https://youtu.be/AwVMMrApFBs : look at the description box of that video


The defenses of the late 80s and 1990s were at a while different level than the defenses today

Lastly the Eastern Conference Jordan played in way on a whole different level than the eastern conference LeBron has played in all these years . The best eastern conference team LeBron has beat was an aging Celtics team in 2012 . The 90s Knicks were way better than any Eastern Conference team LeBron has beaten .

[American2020]

@oldschoolrepublican -

Jordan played in an era where the complex Celtics / GSW style zone defense was illegal, making it way easier to score.  He also played on a team that won 52 games without him.

LeBron is as fast and as explosive as Jordan and about as good from deep but is 6'8" 250 lbs and can switch onto any position.  He also as you say passes and rebounds better.  The only thing he does worse are post moves.

Look at this video : https://youtu.be/p2v0LOhjsJs


https://youtu.be/4wLW2UwkcG4


https://youtu.be/AwVMMrApFBs : look at the description box of that video


The defenses of the late 80s and 1990s were at a while different level than the defenses today

Lastly the Eastern Conference Jordan played in way on a whole different level than the eastern conference LeBron has played in all these years . The best eastern conference team LeBron has beat was an aging Celtics team in 2012 . The 90s Knicks were way better than any Eastern Conference team LeBron has beaten .

Indeed.

Lebron James, Stephen Curry and many other players'd go to hospital if they'd play against Bad Boys.

[YE]

Just as a heads up, while the header was relevant, I moved this to OT since has mostly evolved and become basically basketball discussion which I love but likely more suited to this board.

[RaphaelDLG]

@oldschoolrepublican -

Jordan played in an era where the complex Celtics / GSW style zone defense was illegal, making it way easier to score.  He also played on a team that won 52 games without him.

LeBron is as fast and as explosive as Jordan and about as good from deep but is 6'8" 250 lbs and can switch onto any position.  He also as you say passes and rebounds better.  The only thing he does worse are post moves.

Look at this video : https://youtu.be/p2v0LOhjsJs


https://youtu.be/4wLW2UwkcG4


https://youtu.be/AwVMMrApFBs : look at the description box of that video


The defenses of the late 80s and 1990s were at a while different level than the defenses today

Lastly the Eastern Conference Jordan played in way on a whole different level than the eastern conference LeBron has played in all these years . The best eastern conference team LeBron has beat was an aging Celtics team in 2012 . The 90s Knicks were way better than any Eastern Conference team LeBron has beaten .

Defenses were harder as in more physical, yes, but not necessarily harder for a tall, strong player skilled at isolation to score against.

[bagelman]

Lebron can really help a Democrat in Ohio. What can Jordan do?

[7,052,770]

Jordan never lost NBA Finals.

Overall worst argument by far. Jordan did lose some in earlier rounds. If Jordan had made 9 finals and gone 6-3 in them, that would make his resume BETTER than going 6-0, not worse.

Similarly, Lebron could have a better finals record by losing earlier some years, but to his credit, he didn't.

Finally, the whole comparison is kinda silly, because they all had a supporting cast to help them win games and championships, and Jordan's were usually better than Lebron's, AND the quality of the other teams must be taken into account, and the GSW dynasty was a much stronger concentration of talent than Jordan ever faced.

[HillGoose]

but does he think the ceiling is the roof?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Jordan never lost NBA Finals.

Overall worst argument by far. Jordan did lose some in earlier rounds. If Jordan had made 9 finals and gone 6-3 in them, that would make his resume BETTER than going 6-0, not worse.

Similarly, Lebron could have a better finals record by losing earlier some years, but to his credit, he didn't.

Finally, the whole comparison is kinda silly, because they all had a supporting cast to help them win games and championships, and Jordan's were usually better than Lebron's, AND the quality of the other teams must be taken into account, and the GSW dynasty was a much stronger concentration of talent than Jordan ever faced.

The Eastern Conference LeBron has played in is a joke compared to the Eastern Conference MJ played in.


Take 2007 for example where people say : LeBron made the finals with that trash team while MJ never did. Well yah in the 1980s Michael Jordan's eastern conference opponents were The Larry Bird/Kevin McHale Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons while LeBron faced a Pistons team that didnt have the anchor of their two championship runs: Ben Wallace.

By the way put that Cavs team in the west and even if assume they win the same amount of games they would have in OTL(which they wouldnt), the Cavs would be the 6th seed where they would play the San Antonio Spurs in the first round who swept them in real life.  On the other hand the Eastern Conference MJ played in was better than the West back in the day by a long shot.


The best team LeBron has beaten in the East was a aging Celtics team in 2012 while MJ on the other hand took down the Two Time Champion Bad Boy Pistons in 91, A Very Good and Physical Knicks team in 92 and 93, took down a Heat Team that had Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway, and a better version of a Pacers team that took the Shaq/Kobe Lakers to 6 games in 2000.


While yes the 2017 and 2018 Warriors were better by leaps and bounds then any team the Bulls beat, the 2016 Version would still lose to the 1997 Jazz in a 7 game series as well(1997 Jordan was also no where near as great as first three peat Jordan as well).

[Donerail]

Lebron can really help a Democrat in Ohio. What can Jordan do?

North Carolina is likely to be closer than Ohio this cycle, so the Democratic nominee should say they think MJ's better — provides an advantage in a state more likely to be decisive, loses some votes in a state that's less likely to matter. Of course, that might not be true w/ Bernie's coalition, so I'm not gonna condemn his decision here.

[Sirius_]

Read it as Lebanon is greater than Jordan.

[bagelman]

Lebron can really help a Democrat in Ohio. What can Jordan do?

North Carolina is likely to be closer than Ohio this cycle, so the Democratic nominee should say they think MJ's better — provides an advantage in a state more likely to be decisive, loses some votes in a state that's less likely to matter. Of course, that might not be true w/ Bernie's coalition, so I'm not gonna condemn his decision here.

How many people in NC really care though? Jordan's been retired for a while. (Honest question)

[DINGO Joe]

Lebanon was once a much nicer country than Jordan.