Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[OneJ]

Since the last one is about to hit 80 pages, might as well. Here's the first thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=312152.0

[Pericles]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

[GeneralMacArthur]

List of terrible people involved in the Sanders campaign:

• Nina Turner, national co-chair, former director of Our Revolution Super PAC:  Nina was a Jill Stein supporter in 2016 and begged to be on the Green ticket.  Despite never winning a single election in her life (primary or general), Nina spent most of the election interim on CNN talking about how terrible the Democratic Party's 2018 midterm strategy was.  She hired Tezlyn Figaro, a rabid pro-Trump racist, to be part of Our Revolution because they were pals on CNN.
• David Sirota, speechwriter, writes all Bernie's tweets:  The notoriously vitriolic blogger and opinion writer (his most well-known pieces include Hugo Chavez's Economic Miracle and Let's Hope The Boston Marathon Bomber Is A White American), Sirota is recently famous for writing a series of dishonest and roundly-criticized hit pieces against Bernie's 2016 candidates under the guise of a journalist while secretly being employed as an attack dog by the Sanders campaign.  Had Edward Isaac-Dovere not made the discovery, Sirota might still to this day be masquerading as an "independent journalist."
• Briahna Joy Gray, national press secretary:  Another proud 2016 Jill Stein supporter.  Before working for Sanders, she was an Intercept journalist well-known for agreeing with Trump that the Russia hacking was a hoax.  Since joining the campaign she's become notorious for picking juvenile fights with random journalists and Twitter personalities, including doxxing Hoarse Whisperer.
• RoseAnn DeMoro, director of pro-Bernie SuperPAC "National Nurses United":  Yet another 2016 Jill Stein surrogate.  Despite the name, "National Nurses United" only actually represents a small number of nurses in California (most nurses are represented by ANA, which endorsed Clinton).  NNU spent millions supporting Bernie, and staffed lots of his events, but despite being a SuperPAC they say they're not actually a SuperPAC because they're not funded by billionaires.  In California politics, DeMoro is known as an extremist gadfly who trashes the local party on the daily.
• Linda Sarsour, surrogate:  Sarsour is one of the most controversial and problematic people on the left today.  She is a notorious pro-Sharia anti-semite who in 2016 encouraged people to write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein.  She is virtually inseparable from Winnie Wong, senior political advisor to the Sanders campaign, who organized People For Bernie, the organization that is itself virtually inseparable from National Nurses United.  Wong herself is best friends with Cassandra Fairbanks, the onetime pro-Bernie grifter who switched over to the Trump grift after Bernie lost.
• Susan Sarandon, surrogate:  Sarandon famously endorsed Jill Stein in 2016 and hoped Trump would defeat Hillary, believing Hillary was the antichrist and the only way to get to Bernie 2020 was for Trump to make things so terrible people would have no choice but to vote for Sanders.  After the election she was happy Trump won.
• Killer Mike, surrogate:  "Surrogate" is underselling it -- Killer Mike played a huge role in Bernie's 2016 campaign and introduced him at tons of events, and looks to do the same this year.  After Bernie lost, he endorsed Jill Stein and said Trump and Clinton were the same person.  He spent the interim between elections hanging out on NRA TV telling black voters that Democrats were wrong about guns.
• Cornel West, surrogate:  Surprise!  West also supported Jill Stein in 2016.  This was after Bernie blackmailed the DNC into letting West help write the Democratic platform.  Like Sarandon, West preferred "Brother" Trump to Clinton, writing Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents.  West has a history of saying really f***ing awful things over the years.
• Shaun King, surrogate:  Well-known Twitter scam artist.  Don't take it from me, take it from the founder of Black Lives Matter.  At least he's the only person on this list who says he voted for Clinton.

Can anyone name a single person in any of the other campaigns as bad as the least-problematic of the above Team Sanders individuals?

[YE]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

[Cassandra]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

He's more likely to be buoyed by Biden collapsing. Warren's base of support comes from a completely different social class than we Bernie voters do, and clearly want nothing to do with us.

[The Mikado]

Sanders has it, straight through to Milwaukee. The Revolution grows daily.

I am interpreting the thread so far as "people saying the opposite of what they believe in." If I'm misinterpreting the joke, please disregard.

[YE]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

He's more likely to be buoyed by Biden collapsing. Warren's base of support comes from a completely different social class than we Bernie voters do, and clearly want nothing to do with us.

A Biden collapse is unlikely. The slow decline we’ve been seeing from him so far may continue, though low info voters (the ones who have Sanders as a 2nd choice) are most likely to stick with him.

[Zaybay]

Y'all are being a bit too sure of the primary's trajectory more than 5 months out, and with IA being a reported tossup between the major campaigns. I think its safe to say that the candidate will likely be from the top 3, but who from that group is difficult to parse.

The data we have so far indicate that Warren and Sanders are still rather even right now, with Biden up by about 10 points. Who knows what the data will look like come 1 or even 2 months out from now?

[Donerail]

Can anyone name a single person in any of the other campaigns as bad as the least-problematic of the above Team Sanders individuals?

The Biden campaign: Joe Biden

[GeneralMacArthur]

Can anyone name a single person in any of the other campaigns as bad as the least-problematic of the above Team Sanders individuals?

The Biden campaign: Joe Biden

🙄

[Pericles]

I think Warren has more of an ability to capitalize on early state wins to get a majority than Bernie does.

[Continential]

Can anyone name a single person in any of the other campaigns as bad as the least-problematic of the above Team Sanders individuals?

The Biden campaign: Joe Biden

Symone Sanders is one.

[The Other Castro]

"Bernie Sanders Campaign Shakes Up New Hampshire Operation"

In a series of moves, the campaign has replaced the New Hampshire state director, Joe Caiazzo, with Shannon Jackson, who is deeply enmeshed in Mr. Sanders’s inner circle and who led the senator’s re-election campaign in Vermont last year. Mr. Caiazzo, who was Mr. Sanders’s political director in Massachusetts and Rhode Island during the 2016 campaign, has been named state director in Massachusetts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire.html

[NOVA Green]

"Bernie Sanders Campaign Shakes Up New Hampshire Operation"

In a series of moves, the campaign has replaced the New Hampshire state director, Joe Caiazzo, with Shannon Jackson, who is deeply enmeshed in Mr. Sanders’s inner circle and who led the senator’s re-election campaign in Vermont last year. Mr. Caiazzo, who was Mr. Sanders’s political director in Massachusetts and Rhode Island during the 2016 campaign, has been named state director in Massachusetts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire.html

Was about to post this....

No question that NE DEM Primaries and Caucuses are a Sanders/Warren show....

It will be interesting to see shifting patterns in NE, especially once we start seeing more drop-offs....

Biden doesn't appear to be particularly popular in the Six States of NE, and after all there is something called: "The Shot Heard Around the World"....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_heard_round_the_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

Warren/Sanders are fighting hard for Democratic voters in NE, and quite frankly Dems need voters in 2020 from places like Worcester, Massachusetts, and not posh folks from the upper-middle class communities...

Brilliant Move, shift Caiazzo,to hit hard in places in RI and Falls River MA.

I'm not a hater on Warren, but we have to move the Democratic Party on the Left on substance and not just image, and we need to contest all of the Democratic Working Class Factory Towns of New England, many of which swung heavily Trump, where quite frankly Warren appears as a bit too much of an academic....

[Eraserhead]

I think Warren has more of an ability to capitalize on early state wins to get a majority than Bernie does.

Why? She has considerably less appeal with non-white Democrats.

[free my dawg]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

Like I've said before, Bernie and Warren's stylistic differences are strong enough to distinguish their supporter bases. Him dropping out would probably throw the election to Biden, who offers the same nostalgic appeal and appeals to a more working-class crowd.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

Like I've said before, Bernie and Warren's stylistic differences are strong enough to distinguish their supporter bases. Him dropping out would probably throw the election to Biden, who offers the same nostalgic appeal and appeals to a more working-class crowd.

Appeals to rationality and reality are verboten in this place, sawx.  The Old Atlas Sanders thread is merely a group therapy session for people here who hate Sanders to talk about how much they think he sucks.  Half the posts already are just call and response to General MacArthur's disastrous shrieking into the void.  Who writes posts like he does about candidates he doesn't even like?  Disturbing stuff!

[YE]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

Like I've said before, Bernie and Warren's stylistic differences are strong enough to distinguish their supporter bases. Him dropping out would probably throw the election to Biden, who offers the same nostalgic appeal and appeals to a more working-class crowd.

That depends on how much support Sanders is actually receiving, especially in the Southern Super Tuesday states.

If Biden is at 60 in a three way but would be 70 in a 1 vs 1 against Warren, sure.

If Sanders and Warren are at 15 percent each or slightly below that, Biden is getting almost every delegate in the Deep South instead of just 75-80% in a 1 vs 1 race.

[Frodo]

Sanders campaign wracked by dissension
A staff shakeup and loss of an endorsement to Elizabeth Warren has allies warning of deeper problems.

[James Monroe]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

Like I've said before, Bernie and Warren's stylistic differences are strong enough to distinguish their supporter bases. Him dropping out would probably throw the election to Biden, who offers the same nostalgic appeal and appeals to a more working-class crowd.

Appeals to rationality and reality are verboten in this place, sawx.  The Old Atlas Sanders thread is merely a group therapy session for people here who hate Sanders to talk about how much they think he sucks.  Half the posts already are just call and response to General MacArthur's disastrous shrieking into the void.  Who writes posts like he does about candidates he doesn't even like?  Disturbing stuff!

You have to question a candidate with the toxic supporters he surrounds himself with in this election and the election cycle before. Bernie Sanders has been off-putting for the vast majority of voters, many seeing him as the cranky old white guy who is pissed his "vision" can't passed through congress.  Why remain with a guy who wants nothing more than for the Democratic Party to go into oblivion and surrounds himself with Russian surrogates? Half of these people supported f'ing Jill Stein, Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee who was backed by Vladimir Putin in a attempt to undermine the democratic republic electoral process. TBFH, look at what you write about Kamala Harris and all the candidates not name Saint Bernard, just pure vitriol garbage.

[James Monroe]

The article rings true in many respects, but I don't view losing the support of a heavily-gentrified WFP as an insurmountable problem for Sanders.

Let Warren focus on the NPR set. Let it continue to define her. If Sanders does well again in this cycle, he will have a younger, poorer, less degreed, and less white set of voters to thank for it.

I'm a working class Millennial. As the candidacy of Kamala Harris has gone downhill I'll pledge my support to Elizabeth Warren as the best candidate to unite all factions of each candidate base.

[Lisa's voting Biden]

Bernie Sanders' Iowa political director has left the campaign:

https://www.apnews.com/61db8fecb1e6487a8ecf7b09af318f45

[Eraserhead]

Latinos love Senator Sanders!

https://www.univision.com/univision-news/politics/sanders-and-biden-win-third-democratic-debate-cement-position-as-favorites-among-hispanics

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Bernie hit 1 million donors.

[Shadows]

Sanders creates history hitting 1M donors & 2.5M donations. This is a new record in terms of time frame & by a wide margin.