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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2019, 11:47:24 AM »

Pete & Liz's numbers!!!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2019, 11:57:39 AM »

NUT!
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2019, 12:13:59 PM »

Sanders doesn't have much of a path if he pulls numbers like this in NH.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2019, 12:17:18 PM »

At least this will be Gabbard’s last debate
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2019, 12:43:24 PM »

Meh, Biden's numbers could be better. We'll see what happens, as long as Liz can't make inroads with African Americans, her path remains narrow even if she wins both Iowa and New Hampshire (which is far from granted). She could very well be the Ben Carson of 2020.

The Bern is obviously in deep trouble as multiple polls have shown. His die hard supporters may deny it, but he made a misscalculation to enter the race. A decent number of his 2016 voters only chose him because they disliked Hillary.

And it looks like Kamala is done. The Marco Rubio or even Scott Walker of 2020.
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2019, 01:18:01 PM »

I'd say that IA/NH are must wins for Warren/Sanders, and she's getting the better of him in both right now. But there's still a long way left to go.

That said, things start to get really, really interesting if Warren takes both IA and NH. It definitely wouldn't guarantee her the nomination, especially if Biden can hold down the fort with the black vote (particularly in the South), but it gives her a very credible path. Biden will likely win SC and the other Southern states barring something wildly unexpected, but margins matter. Will he be able to win them by the ~50+ point massive landslides that Hillary did? If so, he'll probably still take the nomination after much angst. If not, he'd be in serious danger of losing.

And LOL at Gabbard making the debate anyway after all the breathless commentary and spilled ink regarding "riggage." If she wasn't polling so abysmally she wouldn't have been teetering on the edge of qualification to the point that interpretation of a single poll would make any difference regardless.
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2019, 01:22:30 PM »
« Edited: September 24, 2019, 01:26:03 PM by TrendsareReal »

I'd say that IA/NH are must wins for Warren/Sanders, and she's getting the better of him in both right now. But there's still a long way left to go.

That said, things start to get really, really interesting if Warren takes both IA and NH. It definitely wouldn't guarantee her the nomination, especially if Biden can hold down the fort with the black vote (particularly in the South), but it gives her a very credible path. Biden will likely win SC and the other Southern states barring something wildly unexpected, but margins matter. Will he be able to win them by the ~50+ point massive landslides that Hillary did? If so, he'll probably still take the nomination after much angst. If not, he'd be in serious danger of losing.

And LOL at Gabbard making the debate anyway after all the breathless commentary and spilled ink regarding "riggage." If she wasn't polling so abysmally she wouldn't have been teetering on the edge of qualification to the point that interpretation of a single poll would make any difference regardless.

I’m curious to see the primary polls after this Ukraine thing, which looks like it’ll have the potential to gone on a while. I think it has a lot of potential to suck all of Warren’s momentum away while the spotlight is clearly on Trump and Biden and makes Biden look sympathetic

Nh/IA are must wins for anyone not named Biden.
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2019, 01:25:50 PM »

Very close.
What is going on with Bernie? It seems that he is faltering in many polls, everywhere.
Sanders should be looking really good in NH.
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2019, 01:26:11 PM »

I would love to see a Tulsi vs Kamala KO round 2!

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2019, 01:33:37 PM »


People start thinking that it might be better for the Democratic party if they nominate a Democrat.
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2019, 01:34:14 PM »

Meh, Biden's numbers could be better. We'll see what happens, as long as Liz can't make inroads with African Americans, her path remains narrow even if she wins both Iowa and New Hampshire (which is far from granted). She could very well be the Ben Carson of 2020.

The Bern is obviously in deep trouble as multiple polls have shown. His die hard supporters may deny it, but he made a misscalculation to enter the race. A decent number of his 2016 voters only chose him because they disliked Hillary.

And it looks like Kamala is done. The Marco Rubio or even Scott Walker of 2020.
Carson didn't even come in second place in a single state, lol.  Horrible analogy.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2019, 01:39:00 PM »

I'd say that IA/NH are must wins for Warren/Sanders, and she's getting the better of him in both right now. But there's still a long way left to go.

That said, things start to get really, really interesting if Warren takes both IA and NH. It definitely wouldn't guarantee her the nomination, especially if Biden can hold down the fort with the black vote (particularly in the South), but it gives her a very credible path. Biden will likely win SC and the other Southern states barring something wildly unexpected, but margins matter. Will he be able to win them by the ~50+ point massive landslides that Hillary did? If so, he'll probably still take the nomination after much angst. If not, he'd be in serious danger of losing.

And LOL at Gabbard making the debate anyway after all the breathless commentary and spilled ink regarding "riggage." If she wasn't polling so abysmally she wouldn't have been teetering on the edge of qualification to the point that interpretation of a single poll would make any difference regardless.

I’m curious to see the primary polls after this Ukraine thing, which looks like it’ll have the potential to gone on a while. I think it has a lot of potential to suck all of Warren’s momentum away while the spotlight is clearly on Trump and Biden and makes Biden look sympathetic

Nh/IA are must wins for anyone not named Biden.

Warren's rise started when she was one of the first major candidate to call for impeachment. If anything, the Ukraine scandal helps her.
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2019, 01:42:18 PM »

I'd say that IA/NH are must wins for Warren/Sanders, and she's getting the better of him in both right now. But there's still a long way left to go.

That said, things start to get really, really interesting if Warren takes both IA and NH. It definitely wouldn't guarantee her the nomination, especially if Biden can hold down the fort with the black vote (particularly in the South), but it gives her a very credible path. Biden will likely win SC and the other Southern states barring something wildly unexpected, but margins matter. Will he be able to win them by the ~50+ point massive landslides that Hillary did? If so, he'll probably still take the nomination after much angst. If not, he'd be in serious danger of losing.

And LOL at Gabbard making the debate anyway after all the breathless commentary and spilled ink regarding "riggage." If she wasn't polling so abysmally she wouldn't have been teetering on the edge of qualification to the point that interpretation of a single poll would make any difference regardless.

I’m curious to see the primary polls after this Ukraine thing, which looks like it’ll have the potential to gone on a while. I think it has a lot of potential to suck all of Warren’s momentum away while the spotlight is clearly on Trump and Biden and makes Biden look sympathetic

Nh/IA are must wins for anyone not named Biden.

Warren's rise started when she was one of the first major candidate to call for impeachment. If anything, the Ukraine scandal helps her.

The Ukraine scandal is all about Trump and Biden. No one will care that Warren is one of the 150+ Dems calling for impeachment.

This is the best thing Biden could have hoped for to give a boost to his flailing campaign
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2019, 01:51:05 PM »

I'd say that IA/NH are must wins for Warren/Sanders, and she's getting the better of him in both right now. But there's still a long way left to go.

That said, things start to get really, really interesting if Warren takes both IA and NH. It definitely wouldn't guarantee her the nomination, especially if Biden can hold down the fort with the black vote (particularly in the South), but it gives her a very credible path. Biden will likely win SC and the other Southern states barring something wildly unexpected, but margins matter. Will he be able to win them by the ~50+ point massive landslides that Hillary did? If so, he'll probably still take the nomination after much angst. If not, he'd be in serious danger of losing.

And LOL at Gabbard making the debate anyway after all the breathless commentary and spilled ink regarding "riggage." If she wasn't polling so abysmally she wouldn't have been teetering on the edge of qualification to the point that interpretation of a single poll would make any difference regardless.

I’m curious to see the primary polls after this Ukraine thing, which looks like it’ll have the potential to gone on a while. I think it has a lot of potential to suck all of Warren’s momentum away while the spotlight is clearly on Trump and Biden and makes Biden look sympathetic

Nh/IA are must wins for anyone not named Biden.

Warren's rise started when she was one of the first major candidate to call for impeachment. If anything, the Ukraine scandal helps her.

The Ukraine scandal is all about Trump and Biden. No one will care that Warren is one of the 150+ Dems calling for impeachment.

This is the best thing Biden could have hoped for to give a boost to his flailing campaign

Guess we'll find out but i cant say i agree.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2019, 01:58:55 PM »

Meh, Biden's numbers could be better. We'll see what happens, as long as Liz can't make inroads with African Americans, her path remains narrow even if she wins both Iowa and New Hampshire (which is far from granted). She could very well be the Ben Carson of 2020.

The Bern is obviously in deep trouble as multiple polls have shown. His die hard supporters may deny it, but he made a misscalculation to enter the race. A decent number of his 2016 voters only chose him because they disliked Hillary.

And it looks like Kamala is done. The Marco Rubio or even Scott Walker of 2020.
Carson didn't even come in second place in a single state, lol.  Horrible analogy.


The best analogy is Bernie 2016. With the added complication that Bernie is threatening to play spoiler, and he's definitely spiteful enough to stay in even when it becomes clear he doesn't have a chance.
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2019, 02:01:34 PM »

Meh, Biden's numbers could be better. We'll see what happens, as long as Liz can't make inroads with African Americans, her path remains narrow even if she wins both Iowa and New Hampshire (which is far from granted). She could very well be the Ben Carson of 2020.

The Bern is obviously in deep trouble as multiple polls have shown. His die hard supporters may deny it, but he made a misscalculation to enter the race. A decent number of his 2016 voters only chose him because they disliked Hillary.

And it looks like Kamala is done. The Marco Rubio or even Scott Walker of 2020.
Carson didn't even come in second place in a single state, lol.  Horrible analogy.


Of course he did. Iowa is just one of them: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html#polls
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2019, 02:07:54 PM »

Very close.
What is going on with Bernie? It seems that he is faltering in many polls, everywhere.
Sanders should be looking really good in NH.

The winner effect. People like me who want to stop Biden will cross over to Warren.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2019, 02:09:20 PM »

RIP Bernie & Kamala
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2019, 03:38:26 PM »

Obama was given 99% odds to win NH on the day it voted, so a lot can change from September.
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2019, 03:50:20 PM »

Meh, Biden's numbers could be better. We'll see what happens, as long as Liz can't make inroads with African Americans, her path remains narrow even if she wins both Iowa and New Hampshire (which is far from granted). She could very well be the Ben Carson of 2020.

The Bern is obviously in deep trouble as multiple polls have shown. His die hard supporters may deny it, but he made a misscalculation to enter the race. A decent number of his 2016 voters only chose him because they disliked Hillary.

And it looks like Kamala is done. The Marco Rubio or even Scott Walker of 2020.
Carson didn't even come in second place in a single state, lol.  Horrible analogy.


Of course he did. Iowa is just one of them: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html#polls

The difference is that Carson's surge was contained to about a month. Warren's been rising in the polls for several months now, and all indications are that many Sanders voters are switching to her, rather than vice-versa.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2019, 04:01:10 PM »

Obama was given 99% odds to win NH on the day it voted, so a lot can change from September.

Remarkable how the Bernie boosters simultaneously believe that he will bring about a political revolution with wide popular support and also (correctly) recognize that him winning the Democratic nomination is an extreme long shot. You'd think if he could do the former then he wouldn't be stuck on the later.
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2019, 04:03:34 PM »

Obama was given 99% odds to win NH on the day it voted, so a lot can change from September.

Remarkable how the Bernie boosters simultaneously believe that he will bring about a political revolution with wide popular support and also (correctly) recognize that him winning the Democratic nomination is an extreme long shot. You'd think if he could do the former then he wouldn't be stuck on the later.

He already brought out the revolution (with the exception of UBI). Now he can retire with the highest form of dignity, something which I expect will happen either after Iowa or New Hampshire.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2019, 05:06:46 PM »

Just want to throw out I have yet to see any Gabbard supporters taking back what they said about the DNC rigging all the polls and changing all the requirements at the last minute to keep Gabbard out of the debates.
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2019, 05:10:29 PM »

Just want to throw out I have yet to see any Gabbard supporters taking back what they said about the DNC rigging all the polls and changing all the requirements at the last minute to keep Gabbard out of the debates.

Don't be a bad sports Crumpets.
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2019, 05:12:07 PM »

Just want to throw out I have yet to see any Gabbard supporters taking back what they said about the DNC rigging all the polls and changing all the requirements at the last minute to keep Gabbard out of the debates.

They are too busy today warning us that Warren is Charles Koch in sheep's clothing.
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