Katie Hill resigning from office

[UncleSam]

This is so dumb I wish she had just stayed in office

[IceSpear]

Wait, why did she resign? The D hacks in this thread told me she did nothing wrong. It was just a rigged witch hunt!

[lfromnj]

Wait, why did she resign? The D hacks in this thread told me she did nothing wrong. It was just a rigged witch hunt!

Tbf she might have just wanted to end the embarrassment for herself.
What's sh**tty is that lot a single reporter could reach out to the staffer or the husband

[TML]

Wait, why did she resign? The D hacks in this thread told me she did nothing wrong. It was just a rigged witch hunt!

The silver lining to this is that Democrats can point to this (along with Conyers, Franken, etc.) as an example of their people having higher moral/ethical standards in the face of scandal, unlike their Republican counterparts.

[Calthrina950]

Where are all these Republicans on the impeachment thread?

Anyways, good riddance. Its unethical to have a relationship with your subordinates. And Calthrina, Conyers and Franken were both pushed out of the party after their allegations surfaced. Democrats do hold their own to a higher standard than Republicans.

You are correct when you say that Conyers and Franken were forced out, but what about Justin Fairfax? To say nothing of the fact that Franken's replacement was in large part guided by partisan considerations. Would he have been forced out if a Republican Governor were able to choose his replacement? That is a question that I've never been able to grapple with adequately.

[Basil]

Where are all these Republicans on the impeachment thread?

Anyways, good riddance. Its unethical to have a relationship with your subordinates. And Calthrina, Conyers and Franken were both pushed out of the party after their allegations surfaced. Democrats do hold their own to a higher standard than Republicans.

You are correct when you say that Conyers and Franken were forced out, but what about Justin Fairfax? To say nothing of the fact that Franken's replacement was in large part guided by partisan considerations. Would he have been forced out if a Republican Governor were able to choose his replacement? That is a question that I've never been able to grapple with adequately.

Hypotheticals are irrelevant. You might as well be asking what if squares were circles, what would be different? Everything, of course.

Fairfax's continuance in office is a disgrace. At least Democrats actually take a stand on sexual assault. Come back to me when Republicans do that same.

[Calthrina950]

Where are all these Republicans on the impeachment thread?

Anyways, good riddance. Its unethical to have a relationship with your subordinates. And Calthrina, Conyers and Franken were both pushed out of the party after their allegations surfaced. Democrats do hold their own to a higher standard than Republicans.

You are correct when you say that Conyers and Franken were forced out, but what about Justin Fairfax? To say nothing of the fact that Franken's replacement was in large part guided by partisan considerations. Would he have been forced out if a Republican Governor were able to choose his replacement? That is a question that I've never been able to grapple with adequately.

Hypotheticals are irrelevant. You might as well be asking what if squares were circles, what would be different? Everything, of course.

Fairfax's continuance in office is a disgrace. At least Democrats actually take a stand on sexual assault. Come back to me when Republicans do that same.

Bill Clinton? If Democrats have always been consistent on this issue, they wouldn't have been so supportive of him back during the 1990s. Nor would they continue to excuse or ignore his behavior.

But at any rate, I'm not interested in arguing over this. I try to keep arguments to a minimum here after what happened during my first tenure here.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Get Duncan Hunter to resign next.

He probably literally will as in he's almost certainly going to be the next member of Congress to resign barring another scandal out of nowhere or him somehow being acquited.

[free my dawg]

CA SOS Alex Padilla is considering jumping in:

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1188636948627415040

Absolutely ****ing not.

Christy Smith, from what I've seen, seems to be a solid progressive who would represent in a similar (if not more progressive) way to Hill. She's especially strong wrt education.

Unfortunately, the DC establishment (Peace Be Unto Them), in their Enlightened Wisdom, will crown Padilla king if he runs, because resumes mean more than ideology or competence.

[Tekken_Guy]

CA SOS Alex Padilla is considering jumping in:

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1188636948627415040

Absolutely ****ing not.

Christy Smith, from what I've seen, seems to be a solid progressive who would represent in a similar (if not more progressive) way to Hill. She's especially strong wrt education.

Unfortunately, the DC establishment (Peace Be Unto Them), in their Enlightened Wisdom, will crown Padilla king if he runs, because resumes mean more than ideology or competence.

From what I know the DCCC seem to want Smith too.

[DrScholl]

Smith ran two competitive races for the Assembly seat that holds much of CA-25 and won the second time, plus she as on the Newhall School Board before that and was raised in Santa Clarita. That's the sort of candidate the DCCC is going to back.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Wow, blue avs cheering on the destruction of a woman at the hands of an abusive ex. And calling US the degenerates at the same time.

[DrScholl]

Wow, blue avs cheering on the destruction of a woman at the hands of an abusive ex. And calling US the degenerates at the same time.

She defeated a Republican so automatically she's a villain who must be destroyed at any cost. Politics has gotten to the point where some want politicians they don't like destroyed personally.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Blue avatars are being absolutely nauseating in this thread, especially the flock of newbie fascists. Shameful to see that such a bunch of little and pathetic human beings infected this place.

What blue avatar fascists?! I don’t seen any. The posts in this thread thus far seem to be at a 4-1 Left vs Right ratio.

You. Nuke. The sad person who made the porn comment.

[Calthrina950]

Blue avatars are being absolutely nauseating in this thread, especially the flock of newbie fascists. Shameful to see that such a bunch of little and pathetic human beings infected this place.

What? You don't like people who have opposing political viewpoints from yours? It's very revealing that some of the "red avatars" continue to defend this vile and disgraceful woman, though her misbehavior was her undoing, and has cast her from office after less than a year.

The people I'm referring to are enthusiastic supporters of Roy Moore and Donald Trump. The only thing Hill did wrong is a relationship with a staffer, and it pales near the moral rot of these two. Seeing these small, hateful human beings gleefully talking about how happy they are she was politically and personally destroyed by her abusive husband is absolutely disgusting.

I would certainly agree that what Trump and Moore have been accused of is horrendous, and far beyond what Hill has done. But it wasn't just a relationship with a staffer. Her behavior was in clear violation of the House's ethic rules, and having relationships with subordinates in the workplace, in such a manner, is an absolute "no-no". At any rate, she will be gone, and hopefully, will be succeeded by someone of much greater moral character.

[Rookie Yinzer]

She should have dug her heels in and stayed. Nobody cared.

[Beet]

She should have dug her heels in and stayed. Nobody cared.

I was reading somewhere about a typical Trump supporter who said they would support him no matter what he did - this man was rather honest - and it all came down to "because he takes no sh**t." People want someone who will fight. Too many people in our society crumble and cave, issue public apologies to no one in particular that are not accepted by their detractors, fold to critics upholding a hypocritical sense of morality. He is popular because, in his supporters' minds, he has the right enemies, he defies the right people, he is attacked in the "right" ways, and he, unlike they, gets away with it. This, I am convinced, is a great deal - perhaps the greater part - of Trump's appeal.

[Sir Mohamed]

The resignation is really sad and unnecessary, I think. Others got away with way worse behavior. This one wasn't even that much of a big deal.

From the GOP, there is clearly a double standard. They're cheering a prez who bragged about assaulting women, but go crazy here. I wonder why? If she was a man and GOPer, they'd cheer him, too.

[Gustaf]

She should have dug her heels in and stayed. Nobody cared.

I was reading somewhere about a typical Trump supporter who said they would support him no matter what he did - this man was rather honest - and it all came down to "because he takes no sh**t." People want someone who will fight. Too many people in our society crumble and cave, issue public apologies to no one in particular that are not accepted by their detractors, fold to critics upholding a hypocritical sense of morality. He is popular because, in his supporters' minds, he has the right enemies, he defies the right people, he is attacked in the "right" ways, and he, unlike they, gets away with it. This, I am convinced, is a great deal - perhaps the greater part - of Trump's appeal.

But that's because Trump is the champion of bad people who relish their own evil. While that has turned out to be a disturbingly large part of the electorate it's probably not a majority.

[Pericles]

She should have dug her heels in and stayed. Nobody cared.

I was reading somewhere about a typical Trump supporter who said they would support him no matter what he did - this man was rather honest - and it all came down to "because he takes no sh**t." People want someone who will fight. Too many people in our society crumble and cave, issue public apologies to no one in particular that are not accepted by their detractors, fold to critics upholding a hypocritical sense of morality. He is popular because, in his supporters' minds, he has the right enemies, he defies the right people, he is attacked in the "right" ways, and he, unlike they, gets away with it. This, I am convinced, is a great deal - perhaps the greater part - of Trump's appeal.

But that's because Trump is the champion of bad people who relish their own evil. While that has turned out to be a disturbingly large part of the electorate it's probably not a majority.

Well yeah as we've seen trying to replicate Trump's approach to scandals doesn't work with Democratic voters. These voters, or at least a good part of them, seem to hold politicians to a higher standard than Republicans do to their politicians. While some complain that there is an unfair difference in standards, Democrats should set a positive example and demand high standards, even if this is never replicated by Republicans it still improves the quality of office holders-Donald Trump wouldn't be a better person and President if Al Franken were still in office.

[Brittain33]

Please cool it with the excessive hyperbole and broad-based attacks and stick to discussion of Katie Hill's resignation or this thread will be locked.

[smoltchanov]

Good riddance!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The fact that the blue avatars celebrate because a smear campaign by an abusive husband against his ex-wife has succeeded makes me sick.

She posted them herself, and she committed rape too.

More Dems should be like Ralph Northam, grow a freaking backbone.

Northam had scandal after scandal down the line of succession though.

It's utterly embarrassing that Justin Fairfax is still the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia. He was accused by not one, but two women, of rape and/or sexual assault, and he is defiant as always, refusing to resign his position. Of course, we have Trump. I would ask this of Atlas Democrats, however: If you wish to hold Republican politicians to a high standard (and I'm not attacking you for that), why don't you hold your own politicians to the same? I would be all for Trump being turned out of office, if Justin Fairfax and others like him were.

IIRC, most Atlas (and national) Democrats were pretty quick to call for Fairfax’s resignation and were pretty pissed that he wasn’t impeached.  And Al Franken, John Conyers, Reuben Kihuen, Nate Boulton, Steve Loebsack, etc were all driven from office (and rightly so).  The only Democrat of note I can think of who has hung on after a #metoo scandal since the movement began is Fairfax.  The Republicans have defended and tried to rationalize supporting folks like Trump, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, Roy Moore, Jim Jordan, Steve Watkins, James Comer, etc.  Even Katie Hill just resigned while Scott DeJarlais remains in Congress without much comment from Republicans despite having repeatedly slept with patients, some of whom he pressures to get abortions.

I’m sorry, but there is simply nothing even remotely resembling equivalency about how the two parties have treated #metoo scandals.  The Democrats - while not perfect by any means - have generally wasted no time siding with the victims rather than the predators (Fairfax being a glaring and particularly egregious exception, but an exception all the same) who have sexually assaulted or harassed them whereas the Republicans have generally shown themselves to be perfectly willing to turn their backs on the victims if they think defending a sex predator will help their party cling to power.  This isn’t just my opinion, it’s a fact that has been demonstrated time and time again.

[Nyvin]

Blue avatars are being absolutely nauseating in this thread, especially the flock of newbie fascists. Shameful to see that such a bunch of little and pathetic human beings infected this place.

What? You don't like people who have opposing political viewpoints from yours? It's very revealing that some of the "red avatars" continue to defend this vile and disgraceful woman, though her misbehavior was her undoing, and has cast her from office after less than a year.

The people I'm referring to are enthusiastic supporters of Roy Moore and Donald Trump. The only thing Hill did wrong is a relationship with a staffer, and it pales near the moral rot of these two. Seeing these small, hateful human beings gleefully talking about how happy they are she was politically and personally destroyed by her abusive husband is absolutely disgusting.

I would certainly agree that what Trump and Moore have been accused of is horrendous, and far beyond what Hill has done. But it wasn't just a relationship with a staffer. Her behavior was in clear violation of the House's ethic rules, and having relationships with subordinates in the workplace, in such a manner, is an absolute "no-no". At any rate, she will be gone, and hopefully, will be succeeded by someone of much greater moral character.

Oh please,  what Hill did was NOTHING compared to what Trump or Moore did, not even remotely comparable.  Nothing about her behavior violated any rules either, you're just making stuff up here.  

Just admit it,  Democrats are indeed held to a higher standard while Republicans are allowed to just skate by while doing disgusting things.  

We have a financial record of Duncan Hunter having an affair and here he is still running for office while Hill has to resign.  It's a two tiered system we have.

Mark Sanford goes and has a kid with a women in Argentina but he continues to serve in Congress until voted out in a primary for criticising Trump.  But a picture of Hill naked with a bong is too much.

[Person Man]

If a Democratic snoop did this to a Republican pol, they would be doxxed by now.