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« on: October 20, 2019, 01:07:59 pm »

It seems like the right time to start a thread for the new college basketball season.  The AP preseason rankings will be released tomorrow, and the initial kenpom.com ratings are out.  The consensus favorite is Michigan State, which features the expected player of the year, guard Cassius Winston.  But there are a host of other plausible contenders that include usual suspects like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and North Carolina, as well as Louisville, Florida, Villanova, and defending champion Virginia.

One of the more intriguing (IMO) teams to watch is Memphis, with former star and NBA great Penny Hardaway in his second season as coach.  They have the nation's top recruiting class (the first time in years it hasn't been Duke or Kentucky) featuring center James Wiseman, who is forecast to be the freshman of the year and possible #1 NBA draft pick.  On paper they have a huge amount of talent and potential, but with a team full of freshmen and a second-year coach, they could finish almost anywhere.

Some people in the college football pick 'em game have expressed interest in having a similar one for basketball.   Post here if you're interested, and also if you're willing to choose the weekly slate of games.  I'll volunteer to keep score.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2019, 01:48:47 pm »

I will play but don't know enough about CBB to provide games this time so whoever feels comfortable enough to do so please step up Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2019, 11:26:22 am »

The preseason AP top 25:

1. Michigan State
2. Kentucky
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Louisville
6. Florida
7. Maryland
8. Gonzaga
9. North Carolina
10. Villanova
11. Virginia
12. Seton Hall
13. Texas Tech
14. Memphis
15. Oregon
16. Baylor
17. Utah State
18. Ohio State
19. Xavier
20. Saint Mary’s (Cal.)
21. Arizona
22. LSU
23. Purdue
24. Auburn
25. VCU

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2019, 06:20:49 pm »

Always will go with Mich State until they are eliminated just like Ohio State in College NCAA sports
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2019, 09:08:39 pm »

The preseason AP top 25:

1. Michigan State
2. Kentucky
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Louisville
6. Florida
7. Maryland
8. Gonzaga
9. North Carolina
10. Villanova
11. Virginia
12. Seton Hall
13. Texas Tech
14. Memphis
15. Oregon
16. Baylor
17. Utah State
18. Ohio State
19. Xavier
20. Saint Mary’s (Cal.)
21. Arizona
22. LSU
23. Purdue
24. Auburn
25. VCU

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

Well, the annual Champions Classic is going to be insane this year!
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2019, 04:21:37 am »

The Border War between Mizzou and kU is back... during the 2020-21 season.

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Mizzou announced that it will be facing Kansas in six straight seasons starting in 2020-2021.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2019, 11:40:58 am »

The AP preseason All-America team:

G Cassius Winston, Michigan State, senior (unanimous pick)
G Markus Howard, Marquette, senior
G Myles Powell, Seton Hall, senior
F Jordan Nwora, Louisville, junior
C James Wiseman, Memphis, freshman
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2019, 09:41:33 pm »
« Edited: October 24, 2019, 04:36:52 pm by Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ »

Preseason Polls tracker since I have yet to see them consolidated anywhere.

America East: 1. Vermont 2. UMBC 3. Stony Brook 4. Albany - Vermont is a heavy favourite but is not expected to compete for an at-large.

American: 1A. Houston 1B. Memphis 3. Cincinnati 4. Wichita State 5. USF 6. UConn 7. Temple 8. SMU 9. UCF 10. Tulsa 11. ECU 12. Tulane - Three very serious Final Four contenders and a highly thought of team returning to prominence in Wichita. Each of the next three will have their chances to make their case, but I think this will ultimately be top-heavy.

Atlantic 10: No poll yet released. Their media day was today? VCU is ranked in the AP poll and Davidson and Dayton are highly regarded enough for at-large consideration. I think the next tier is URI/St. Bonnie's/Saint Louis/Duquesne? 1. VCU 2. Davidson 3. Dayton 4. Rhode Island 5. St. Bonnies 6. Richmond 7. Saint Louis 8. Duquesne 9. George Mason 10. La Salle 11. UMass 12. George Washington 13. St. Joseph's 14. Fordham

ACC: 1. Duke 2. UNC 3. Louisville 4. Virginia 5. Florida State 6. NC State 7. Notre Dame 8. Syracuse 9. Miami 10. Pitt 11. Clemson 12. Georgia Tech 13. Boston College 14. Virginia Tech 15. Wake Forest - Three very serious national title contenders and two ol' reliable teams. The depth of this conference will rely on the next three because the expectations are very low for the bottom half. I am glad the media is hyping Notre Dame's return, but I definitely have some question marks there.

A-Sun: 1. Liberty 2. North Florida 3. Florida Gulf Coast

Big 12: 1. Kansas 2. Baylor 3. Texas Tech 4. Texas 5. West Virginia 6. Oklahoma State 7. Iowa State 8. Oklahoma 9. Kansas State 10. TCU - not my expertise, but is it possible to be underrated Chris Beard still? Baylor has a bit to replace. Top seven could all contend, but likely down to a five bid year.

Big East: 1. Seton Hall 2. Villanova 3. Xavier 4. Marquette 5. Providence 6. Georgetown 7. Creighton 8. Butler 9. St. John's 10. DePaul - Seven contenders hope to get at least six bids and perhaps some wins to improve on last year's epic disappointments.

Big Sky (Coaches): 1. EWU 2. Montana 3. Weber State - The media picked EWU third.

Big South: No poll yet released.

Big Ten: 1. Michigan State 2. Maryland 3. Ohio State 4. Purdue 5. Michigan 6. Wisconsin 7. Illinois 8. Iowa 9. Penn State 10. Indiana 11. Minnesota 12. Rutgers 13. Nebraska 14. Northwestern - My spring forecast flipped Minnesota and Wisconsin - I know Wisconsin tends to find hidden gems, but the loss of Happ is enormous - and slotted Iowa four slots higher. I pegged it as an eight bid league at the time, which feels slightly high. I think Illinois can get it done. I am less certain that Penn State is capable should the Illini fail.

Big West: 1. UC-Irvine 2. UC-Santa Barbara 3. Cal State-Northridge 4. Hawaii

Colonial: 1. Hofstra 2. Charleston 3. Northeastern 4. James Madison 5. Delaware - Hofstra loses their star and plays perhaps too light a schedule. Every game is winnable including UCLA, but I think everyone will take multiple lumps in conference play to prevent an at-large. I see a new winner this year.

C-USA: 1. WKU 2. UTSA 3. Louisiana Tech 4A. UTEP 4B. Old Dominion 6. UAB ---- UTEP returns?! KenPom loves them too. I've awaited this for so long! But the story will be if WKU can compete with higher rated Cincinnati, Arkansas, Belmont and URI in order to build a bubbly resume.

Horizon: 1. Wright State 2. NKU 3. UIC 4. Oakland 5. Green Bay

Ivy: 1. Harvard 2. Penn 3. Yale 4. Princeton - I think they got this right, and I don't think #1 will be particularly close - the Orlando Invitational will be fun to compete against other bubble teams, but I don't think Harvard will leave any doubt. Watch out for Gabe Stefanini and Columbia who could stealthily push for second/third and a coveted spot in Ivy Madness in Cambridge.

MAAC: 1. Iona 2. Rider 3. Quinnipiac 4. Monmouth 5. Manhattan 6. Siena - Really hoping this will be Baker Dunleavy's breakout season at QU! He is surrounded by all the traditional powers (save Niagara) plus recent breakout program, Rider though the coaches see this as a two horse race.

MAC: No poll yet released. Buffalo is once again considered a big favourite.

MEAC: 1. NC Central 2. Bethune-Cookman 3A. Norfolk State 3B. North Carolina A+T - one of the closest votes!

MVC: 1. Missouri State 2. Bradley 3. UNI 4. Loyola (IL) - The Ramblers did bring in a nationally ranked recruiting class but will be very young.

MWC: 1. Utah State 2. San Diego State 3. New Mexico 4. Nevada 5. Boise State - While most feel Utah State is solidly in, SDSU and New Mexico could spend all season long on the bubble if the hype is actually for real this time. Nevada could fight for a spot but nearly fell behind Boise in the poll, so expectations do not involve a return to the Big Dance.

NEC: 1. LIU-Brooklyn 2. Sacred Heart 3. St. Francis (PA)

OVC: 1. Belmont 2. Murray State 3. Jacksonville State 4. Austin Peay 5. UT-Martin - Belmont had a bit of trouble scheduling tough this year but has road trips to BC, Alabama, Saint Louis and WKU plus their home and home with Lipscomb, but this team is every bit as legit as last year's team. Murray and JSU will certainly continue giving them fits so put them on bubble watch immediately!

Pac-12: 1. Oregon 2. Colorado 3. Washington 4. Arizona 5. USC 6. Arizona State 7. Oregon State 8. UCLA 9. Utah 10. Stanford 11. Washington State 12. Cal - Has the turnaround year finally arrived?! The hype says the same thing as I said for the Big 12 - Seven contenders fighting for about five bids though I remain slightly skeptical of Colorado's miraculous growth this quickly.

Patriot: 1. Colgate 2. Bucknell 3. American - Second place may be the most interesting race to watch. Colgate got a national AP vote, and it wasn't an accident!!

SEC: 1. Kentucky 2. Florida 3. LSU 4. Auburn 5. Tennessee 6. Alabama 7. Mississippi State 8. Ole Miss 9. Georgia 10. South Carolina 11. Arkansas 12. Texas A&M 13. Mizzou 14. Vanderbilt - The SEC is so deep that no team would truly surprise me by making the Tournament, and they may push for 8 bids. Isn't Georgia criminally underrated though? No respect for Tom Crean!

SoCon: 1. ETSU 2. UNC-Greensboro 3. Furman 4. Wofford

Southland: 1. New Orleans 2. Sam Houston State 3. Abilene Christian 4. Stephen F. Austin

SWAC: 1. Prairie View A&M 2. Texas Southern 3. Grambling State 4. Alabama State

Summit: 1. North Dakota State 2. South Dakota 3. Oral Roberts 4. Omaha 5. South Dakota State

Sun Belt: 1. South Alabama 2. Georgia Southern 3. Texas-Arlington (average of three media polls)

WCC: 1. Gonzaga 2. St. Mary's 3. BYU 4. Pepperdine 5. Santa Clara - I think we all know how this conference goes by now Smiley

WAC: 1. New Mexico State 2. Grand Canyon 3. Seattle
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 01:24:25 pm »

Very pumped for the Illini.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 12:28:15 pm »

The preseason AP top 25:

1. Michigan State
2. Kentucky
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Louisville
6. Florida
7. Maryland
8. Gonzaga
9. North Carolina
10. Villanova
11. Virginia
12. Seton Hall
13. Texas Tech
14. Memphis
15. Oregon
16. Baylor
17. Utah State
18. Ohio State
19. Xavier
20. Saint Mary’s (Cal.)
21. Arizona
22. LSU
23. Purdue
24. Auburn
25. VCU

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

The coaches' poll looks very similar, at least at the top:

1   Michigan State (30)   792
2   Kentucky   734
3   Kansas (1)   687
4   Duke (1)   683
5   Louisville   670
6   Florida   619
7   Gonzaga   544
8   Maryland   536
9   Virginia   532
10   Villanova   531
11   North Carolina   503
12   Texas Tech   417
13   Seton Hall   403
14   Oregon   344
15   Memphis   331
16   Ohio State   280
17   Arizona   229
18   Baylor   228
19   Utah State   218
20   Saint Mary's   163
21   Xavier   149
22   Purdue   123
23   Auburn   105
24   LSU   86
25   Tennessee   78

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-michigan-state-leads-preseason-coaches-poll-ahead-of-kentucky-kansas-duke/
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 05:45:24 pm »

The regular season starts a week from tomorrow.  Some notable games through the first weekend:

Tuesday, Nov. 5:

Champions Classic at Madison Square Garden:

3 Kansas vs 4 Duke, 7:00 pm
1 Michigan St. vs 2 Kentucky, 9:30 pm

Others:

5 Louisville @ Miami (FL) 6:30 pm
20 St. Mary's @ Wisconsin 9:00 pm


Wednesday, Nov. 6:

Notre Dame @ 9 North Carolina, 7:00 pm
Cincinnati @ 18 Ohio State, 8:30 pm
11 Virginia @ Syracuse, 9:00 pm


Friday, Nov. 8:

24 Auburn @ Davidson, 6:00 pm
16 Baylor @ Washington, 9:30 pm


Saturday, Nov. 9:

Texas @ 23 Purdue, 7:00 pm
Rhode Island @ 7 Maryland 9:00 pm


Sunday, Nov. 10:

Florida St. @ 6 Florida 1:00 pm
Illinois @ 21 Arizona 9:00 pm
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2019, 09:59:28 pm »
« Edited: October 28, 2019, 07:51:14 pm by Priest of Moloch »

Alright! Since no one's stepped up yet, I'll inaugurate the pick 'em.

Rules:
- I'll pick 25 games a week
- Each game equals 1 point, so if you are perfect in a week you will get a total of 25 points
- Tournament picks will be handled separately

I'll post a slate of games every Sunday evening, which will include games that will be played the subsequent Friday through Sunday — staying away from weekday games for now.

n.b. the schedule will start out pretty top-heavy (I'm a Carolina fan and mostly follow the ACC). I'm making a proactive effort to look for interesting matchups in small conferences, but if there's one you think should be highlighted just let me know before Sunday evening.



If you want to get a head start, here's the slate for the first weekend (November 8-10)

Friday, November 8
#24 Auburn vs. Davidson – 5pm – CBSSN
UIC @ #14 Memphis – 6pm – ESPNU
Vermont @ St. Bonaventure – 6pm
Akron @ West Virginia – 6pm
Illinois @ Grand Canyon – 7pm
Bowling Green @ #22 LSU – 7pm – SECN
Northern Kentucky @ Mizzou – 7pm – SECN
UNC Greensboro @ #3 Kansas – 8pm – ESPNU
#16 Baylor @ Washington – 8:30pm – ESPN
Arizona State vs. Colorado – 9:30pm – ESPN2

Saturday, November 9
Oklahoma vs. Minnesota – TBD – BTN
San Diego State @ BYU – TBD
Iowa State @ Oregon State – 3:30pm
NJIT @ Providence – 3:30pm
Texas @ Purdue – 6pm – FS1
UC Irvine @ Pepperdine – 7pm
Tulsa @ UT-Arlington – 7pm – ESPN+
Rhode Island @ #7 Maryland – 8pm – FS1
Boise State @ #15 Oregon – 10pm

Sunday, November 10
Boston College @ South Florida – 11am – CBSSN
Florida State @ #6 Florida – 12pm – ESPN
Columbia @ Wake Forest – 1pm
Colgate @ Clemson – 2pm
UC Santa Barbara @ UCLA – 6pm
Illinois @ #21 Arizona – 8pm
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2019, 10:10:04 pm »

Well, we can't be worse than 0-18, so here's to a new season!
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2019, 05:07:55 pm »

Thanks to sjoyce for volunteering to choose the games!
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 08:07:05 pm »

Oklahoma first preseason game tomorrow hype.
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2019, 06:39:58 pm »

yeee lets do this
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2019, 06:41:41 pm »

I'm definitely going to play, but will wait until closer to next weekend to post picks.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2019, 10:36:40 pm »


If you want to get a head start, here's the slate for the first weekend (November 8-10)

Friday, November 8
#24 Auburn vs. Davidson – 5pm – CBSSN
UIC @ #14 Memphis – 6pm – ESPNU
Vermont @ St. Bonaventure – 6pm
Akron @ West Virginia – 6pm
Illinois @ Grand Canyon – 7pm
Bowling Green @ #22 LSU – 7pm – SECN
Northern Kentucky @ Mizzou – 7pm – SECN
UNC Greensboro @ #3 Kansas – 8pm – ESPNU
#16 Baylor @ Washington – 8:30pm – ESPN
Arizona State vs. Colorado – 9:30pm – ESPN2

Saturday, November 9
Oklahoma vs. Minnesota – TBD – BTN
San Diego State @ BYU – TBD
Iowa State @ Oregon State – 3:30pm
NJIT @ Providence – 3:30pm
Texas @ Purdue – 6pm – FS1
UC Irvine @ Pepperdine – 7pm
Tulsa @ UT-Arlington – 7pm – ESPN+
Rhode Island @ #7 Maryland – 8pm – FS1
Boise State @ #15 Oregon – 10pm

Sunday, November 10
Boston College @ South Florida – 11am – CBSSN
Florida State @ #6 Florida – 12pm – ESPN
Columbia @ Wake Forest – 1pm
Colgate @ Clemson – 2pm
UC Santa Barbara @ UCLA – 6pm
Illinois @ #21 Arizona – 8pm
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2019, 03:10:36 pm »

^ We're beatin' 'Zona. Cool
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2019, 07:40:26 pm »

Friday, November 8
#24 Auburn vs. Davidson – 5pm – CBSSN
UIC @ #14 Memphis – 6pm – ESPNU
Vermont @ St. Bonaventure – 6pm
Akron @ West Virginia – 6pm
Illinois @ Grand Canyon – 7pm
Bowling Green @ #22 LSU – 7pm – SECN
Northern Kentucky @ Mizzou – 7pm – SECN
UNC Greensboro @ #3 Kansas – 8pm – ESPNU
#16 Baylor @ Washington – 8:30pm – ESPN
Arizona State vs. Colorado – 9:30pm – ESPN2

Saturday, November 9
Oklahoma vs. Minnesota – TBD – BTN
San Diego State @ BYU – TBD
Iowa State @ Oregon State – 3:30pm
NJIT @ Providence – 3:30pm
Texas @ Purdue – 6pm – FS1
UC Irvine @ Pepperdine – 7pm
Tulsa @ UT-Arlington – 7pm – ESPN+
Rhode Island @ #7 Maryland – 8pm – FS1
Boise State @ #15 Oregon – 10pm

Sunday, November 10
Boston College @ South Florida – 11am – CBSSN
Florida State @ #6 Florida – 12pm – ESPN
Columbia @ Wake Forest – 1pm
Colgate @ Clemson – 2pm
UC Santa Barbara @ UCLA – 6pm
Illinois @ #21 Arizona – 8pm
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2019, 08:59:37 pm »

Auburn
Memphis
Vermont
Akron
Grand Canyon
LSU
Missouri
Kansas
Wazzu
Arizona State
Minnesota
San Diego State
Iowa State
Providence
Purdue
UC Irvine
UT Arlington
Maryland
Oregon
Boston College
Florida
Wake Forest
Clemson
UCLA
Arizona
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2019, 09:10:07 pm »

My brain doesn't work for basketball yet. Here we go.

Auburn
Memphis
St. Bonaventure
WVU
Illinois
LSU
Mizzou
Kansas
Baylor
Arizona State

Minnesota
San Diego State
Iowa State
Providence
Texas
UC Irvine
UT Arlington
Maryland
Oregon

South Florida
Florida State
Columbia
Clemson (barely)
UCLA
Illinois
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2019, 11:32:59 pm »

Kind of disappointed we're not doing the Champions Classic tomorrow!  The top 4 in the AP Poll are all squaring off- it should be an incredible way to open the season!!

#1 Michigan State vs. #2 Kentucky
#3 Kansas vs. #4 Duke
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2019, 12:09:46 am »

Kind of disappointed we're not doing the Champions Classic tomorrow!  The top 4 in the AP Poll are all squaring off- it should be an incredible way to open the season!!

#1 Michigan State vs. #2 Kentucky
#3 Kansas vs. #4 Duke

Me too — I'm following the lead of the CFB pick em and only choosing Friday-Sunday games to make this run on a regular basis, b/c some people don't check the board every day and I don't want to have a tight turnaround for weekly picks. But the donwside of that is missing out on weekday matchups like this one.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2019, 08:25:23 am »

Just for fun, my picks for the Champions Classic are Michigan State and Duke.
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