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« Reply #300 on: November 05, 2019, 07:19:26 pm »

Tonight's/tomorrow's front page for the Borisograph - bizarre really isn't strong enough.
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« Reply #301 on: November 06, 2019, 04:36:20 am »

Holding up US drug, food, safety standards and having to deal with Trump as an immanent, amorphous danger as Boris attempts a Trumpian style disinformation campaign, might be a good move by Labour actually.

Because the Tories can't deny it would absolutely not happen. Even if on paper it probably wouldn't be as bad.
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« Reply #302 on: November 06, 2019, 07:38:23 am »

Alun Cairns, Welsh Secretary resigns as an MP for his role in squashing a rape trial.

His seat, the Vale of Glamorgen, is a bellwether that contains the working-class industrial resort town of Barry as well as more Tory inclined villages.
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« Reply #303 on: November 06, 2019, 08:41:10 am »

Williamson, Hepburn and Godsiff all rejected as candidates by the NEC.
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« Reply #304 on: November 06, 2019, 09:41:40 am »

Alun Cairns, Welsh Secretary resigns as an MP for his role in squashing a rape trial.

His seat, the Vale of Glamorgen, is a bellwether that contains the working-class industrial resort town of Barry as well as more Tory inclined villages.
I believe he's only resigned as Welsh Secretary and still intends to stand in the election.
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« Reply #305 on: November 06, 2019, 09:51:31 am »

Alun Cairns, Welsh Secretary resigns as an MP for his role in squashing a rape trial.

His seat, the Vale of Glamorgen, is a bellwether that contains the working-class industrial resort town of Barry as well as more Tory inclined villages.
I believe he's only resigned as Welsh Secretary and still intends to stand in the election.

He wasn’t involved in collapsing the rape trial - he’s resigned because he wasn’t clear regarding how soon he knew about the individual in question’s involvement in collapsing the rape trial.

As I expected though, the avalanche of embarrassing trivia that will likely bury the Tories chances of winning a majority has begun.
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« Reply #306 on: November 06, 2019, 10:00:59 am »

Williamson, Hepburn and Godsiff all rejected as candidates by the NEC.

Excellent news Smiley

Of course the first named will attract the usual cranks in his support - its actually a very good way of telling who on the Labour left is actually serious about getting and using power, and who aren't.
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« Reply #307 on: November 06, 2019, 01:02:06 pm »

Apparently Nick Brown was extremely insistent on Godsiff getting the heave-ho, and, well, it's hard not to respond to that detail with a cackle.
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« Reply #308 on: November 06, 2019, 01:05:00 pm »

Bad news: Lady Sylvia Hermon is retiring.
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« Reply #309 on: November 06, 2019, 01:05:35 pm »
« Edited: November 06, 2019, 01:15:31 pm by Oryxslayer »

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« Reply #310 on: November 06, 2019, 01:09:41 pm »

Bad news: Lady Sylvia Hermon is retiring.

Perhaps she thinks she won't win after the DUP gave her a close scare last time around. Any chance for someone other than the DUP (maybe the Alliance if they can get the Greens to stand down, or vice versa?) to win the seat?
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« Reply #311 on: November 06, 2019, 01:13:36 pm »

Bad news: Lady Sylvia Hermon is retiring.

Perhaps she thinks she won't win after the DUP gave her a close scare last time around. Any chance for someone other than the DUP (maybe the Alliance if they can get the Greens to stand down, or vice versa?) to win the seat?

She may have had enough: it's been eighteen years and the political atmosphere is increasingly ghoulish. As for the constituency... it is the most singular constituency in Northern Ireland, so who knows.
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« Reply #312 on: November 06, 2019, 01:14:37 pm »
« Edited: November 06, 2019, 02:38:21 pm by Oryxslayer »

Bad news: Lady Sylvia Hermon is retiring.

Perhaps she thinks she won't win after the DUP gave her a close scare last time around. Any chance for someone other than the DUP (maybe the Alliance if they can get the Greens to stand down, or vice versa?) to win the seat?

There was rumors today that Upper Bann would be vacated by the expected Carla Lockhart, and replaced with DUP leader Arlene Foster. With North  Down now open and a 'gimmi' pickup for the DUP, at least on paper, Foster probably goes there if those rumors  had any leg to them.
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« Reply #313 on: November 06, 2019, 02:34:11 pm »

Apparently Nick Brown was extremely insistent on Godsiff getting the heave-ho, and, well, it's hard not to respond to that detail with a cackle.

The sun is out and so am I.
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« Reply #314 on: November 06, 2019, 03:09:28 pm »

Looks like Tom Watson is not running...

CON gains West Bromwich East ?
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« Reply #315 on: November 06, 2019, 03:12:51 pm »

Looks like Tom Watson is not running...

CON gains West Bromwich East ?

Highly unlikely. Tories didn't even win when the SD split the vote near perfectly in 1983.
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« Reply #316 on: November 06, 2019, 03:42:43 pm »
« Edited: November 06, 2019, 03:52:23 pm by Arkansas Yankee »



Electoral Calculus
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Cambridgeshire%20South
Predicts the following for this seat.

2017
Votes   2017
Share                         Predicted 2019
Votes
CON   33,631   51.8%   42.5%
LAB   17,679   27.2%   16.2%
LIB   12,102   18.6%   29.6%
Green   1,512   2.3%   3.5%
Brexit   0   0.0%   6.8%
UKIP   0   0.0%   0.1%
OTH   0   0.0%   1.3%
CON Majority   15,952   24.6%   Pred Maj 12.9%

This seat voted 39% leave.  In 17 this not effect the votE.   We shall have to see.
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« Reply #317 on: November 06, 2019, 03:56:03 pm »
« Edited: November 06, 2019, 04:23:09 pm by Lord Halifax »

Tom Watson will continue as deputy leader during the campaign. Who do you think will replace him?

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« Reply #318 on: November 06, 2019, 04:03:48 pm »

The post is actually very weak 99% of the time (basically only becomes relevant when the Leader resigns) and serves little practical purpose, other than giving the holder a seat on the NEC. Historically it was an honorific, one that often went to defeated leadership contenders.
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« Reply #319 on: November 06, 2019, 04:10:31 pm »

Two questions for the Labour supporters: what is your reaction to Swinson’s declaration she will never make Corbyn PM.

We know she and the other remain parties will not make Boris PM.

Then assume a hung Parliament and that the hat the Tories have the most seats and there not enough DUP or Independents to makeBoris PM

Will the nation have to await a Labour leadership election to discover who will be PM.
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« Reply #320 on: November 06, 2019, 04:42:42 pm »
« Edited: November 06, 2019, 04:55:48 pm by Lord Halifax »

Chris Williamson has stated he will run as an Independent Socialist in Derby North, which should benefit the Tories.

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« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2019, 05:28:34 pm »

Looks like Tom Watson is not running...

CON gains West Bromwich East ?

Highly unlikely. Tories didn't even win when the SD split the vote near perfectly in 1983.

Note also that despite all the bluster it wasn't even arguably close two years ago: majority of 20% on a vote share of 58%. As Watson polled 50% two years earlier that is probably a relatively 'hard' 58%, so to speak. Labour also won every ward in the constituency in May.
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« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2019, 06:35:49 pm »

Watson was at least gracious enough to time his announcement to overshadow Johnson's set-piece campaign launch in the evening, rather than Corbyn's big speech earlier today.

No I have never particularly liked or trusted him, and think the Leech business was very very bad. But he will still be a hard act to follow for his "wing" of the party.
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« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2019, 06:55:17 pm »

I have to say, Watson was a good leader for his wing of Labour, and it’s sad to see him go.
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« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2019, 08:01:33 pm »



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