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  If Wexit occurs, is admitting AB + SK for PR + DC a politically viable deal?
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Question: If Wexit occurs, is admitting Alberta and Saskatchewan as states in exchange for admitting Puerto Rico and DC a politically viable deal?
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Dr. RI
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2019, 12:32:15 pm »

Kind of? But Puerto Rico has yet to demonstrate it wants statehood.
Puerto Rico has had two referendums in the past decade, both with statehood winning.
Neither referendum had a majority of voters favoring statehood thanks to boycotts of those nonbinding referendums by opponents.

I don't understand why we care about boycotts/turnout in statehood referenda but not for virtually any other type of referenda.
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2019, 12:46:09 pm »

Kind of? But Puerto Rico has yet to demonstrate it wants statehood.
Puerto Rico has had two referendums in the past decade, both with statehood winning.
Neither referendum had a majority of voters favoring statehood thanks to boycotts of those nonbinding referendums by opponents.
That's their own fault. In the Developed World, you don't get to boycott an election and then claim it doesn't count.

If Trump knows he's about to lose and tells his supporters not to vote, and then claims the resulting Democratic landslide isn't valid, should we listen?
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2019, 03:43:00 pm »

Kind of? But Puerto Rico has yet to demonstrate it wants statehood.
Puerto Rico has had two referendums in the past decade, both with statehood winning.
Neither referendum had a majority of voters favoring statehood thanks to boycotts of those nonbinding referendums by opponents.
That's their own fault. In the Developed World, you don't get to boycott an election and then claim it doesn't count.

If Trump knows he's about to lose and tells his supporters not to vote, and then claims the resulting Democratic landslide isn't valid, should we listen?

Presidential elections are binding. (notwithstanding various electoral college technicalities and the like) A nonbinding referendum is, by definition, purely an exercise of political expression/temperature-taking. A boycott is a perfectly valid form of participation in such an exercise.
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2019, 11:30:05 am »

Kind of? But Puerto Rico has yet to demonstrate it wants statehood.
Puerto Rico has had two referendums in the past decade, both with statehood winning.
Neither referendum had a majority of voters favoring statehood thanks to boycotts of those nonbinding referendums by opponents.
That's their own fault. In the Developed World, you don't get to boycott an election and then claim it doesn't count.

They weren't counting regardless of whether they participated in a PNP publicity stunt.
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2019, 07:53:53 am »

This is a very strange and delusional thread. If Ottawa is seen as too distant and too prone to consistently place the concerns of a culturally very different Central Canada over Western interests, what exactly do you think this would make Washington? Please stop embarrassing yourselves with your ignorant fantasies.
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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2019, 05:09:48 pm »

I would prefer not to admit the District of Columbia on the basis that it is the federal capital; on the other hand, yes, I would call this a viable compromise.
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2019, 05:41:42 pm »

Both new states would probably vote Dem so...no.
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2019, 10:36:24 am »

This is a very strange and delusional thread. If Ottawa is seen as too distant and too prone to consistently place the concerns of a culturally very different Central Canada over Western interests, what exactly do you think this would make Washington? Please stop embarrassing yourselves with your ignorant fantasies.

Why are you the way that you are, Al?
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2019, 04:19:42 pm »

AB and SK are most similar to Minnesota politically, for what I've seen. This does not include oil influence/presence.   
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2019, 12:40:44 am »

Alberta & Saskatchewan would both vote Republican if they had long traditions of being in the U.S., but if they were cut out and annexed now, both would vote Democratic, if only to protect their healthcare systems. No one in Canada, not even conservatives, would trade their healthcare system for the American one, and "American-style healthcare" is often used as a scare term in Canada.

Isnt healthcare run though at the provincial level , I can bet if a deal was made to make them states they would get to keep that.



Their prescription drug prices would skyrocket.
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