KY, MS etc. Results Thread

[DINGO Joe]

If Edwards beats Rispone by at least 43.000 votes next week, then Democrats got a combined plurality of votes for the first time since 1991 in those 3 states:

ca. 49% D
ca. 49% R

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2019&off=5&f=1

If Edwards wins big, a majority with 50%+ is also possible.

Mississippi still undervotes the other two by quite a bit, even adjusted for population.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

He's a Chamber of Commerce stooge

Not according to this.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/11/07/41927073/maybe-amazon-bought-the-election-or-maybe-voters-were-sick-of-sawant

So many leftists can't imagine that someone would oppose an abrasive socialist unless they were bought by a corporation.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

When a company makes this kind of investment, they expect a return on it. If you want to defend capitalism, maybe you should learn how it works.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

[lfromnj]

HOLY sh**t
SF is insane
from the nyt
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/books/17book.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL
http://

About the political activities of his parents, Mr. Boudin writes: “Certainly violence is illegitimate when it targets civilians or intends to cause generalized or widespread fear, but my parents never did either of those.” At another point, he adds that his parents “paid a heavy price for their radical politics.” They didn’t pay that heavy price for their politics. They paid it for the part they played in the deaths of three men.

Very few in America pay a price for their opinions, His parents literally killed 3 people but he sees them as the victims.  A very unfortunate child with an unfortunate upbringing by radicals. However I can't feel any sympathy for him as an adult.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking at all.
Staten Island voters voted for Mike Grimm.
Almost half of Alabama voters voted for a pedophile.
Depending on the constituency, being an extremist asshole can be your ticket to electoral success more often than not. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking at all.
Staten Island voters voted for Mike Grimm.
Almost half of Alabama voters voted for a pedophile.
Depending on the constituency, being an extremist asshole can be your ticket to electoral success more often than not. 

yes, those are totally comparable instances

Oh, f**k off. I'm done with you. You're obviously not trying to make a good faith argument.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking at all.
Staten Island voters voted for Mike Grimm.
Almost half of Alabama voters voted for a pedophile.
Depending on the constituency, being an extremist asshole can be your ticket to electoral success more often than not. 

Furthering the Bezos zaibatsu's influence over the American economy in general and Seattle's local economy in particular is an extreme-right political project; this just isn't immediately obvious because it's not presented with the political tone or style that we normally associate with the extreme right. Thus, both candidates in this particular race were extremist assholes.

[Landslide Lyndon]

yes, those are totally comparable instances

Oh, f**k off. I'm done with you. You're obviously not trying to make a good faith argument.

But what exactly is YOUR argument? That Sawant is a nice person who almost lost because she was unfairly targeted and maligned by Amazon?
Even the paper that endorsed her explicitly says that she has nobody to blame but herself for her close call. But the Atlas maroon avatars just can't accept the fact that even socialists can be horrible persons.

BTW, the article I posted (and which obviously nobody bothered to read) also mentions that her two closest progressive allies in the council endorsed her opponent. Apparently they are Amazon stooges now too.

[Antonio the Sixth]

But what exactly is YOUR argument?

I've stated over and over what my argument is. If you truly still don't get it, you must have reading comprehension issues. It's more likely that you're being intellectually dishonest because you just can't engage with it (as evidenced by you bringing up Roy Moore out of f**king nowhere), but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt just in case.

So, to restate. I don't know Sawant personally and it's perfectly possible that she has an abrasive personality and isn't very good at policy making. That being said, having someone with such traits in office is still the lesser evil, compared to having someone whose campaign was bankrolled by a megacorporation. You might disagree with this argument (because your politics are so vapid and shallow that they no attention to the material reality of corporate interests and their influence on politics), but it shouldn't be that f**king hard to understand.

[Landslide Lyndon]

So, to restate. I don't know Sawant personally and it's perfectly possible that she has an abrasive personality and isn't very good at policy making. That being said, having someone with such traits in office is still the lesser evil, compared to having someone whose campaign was bankrolled by a megacorporation. You might disagree with this argument (because your politics are so vapid and shallow that they no attention to the material reality of corporate interests and their influence on politics), but it shouldn't be that f**king hard to understand.

What matters isn't my opinion. It's the opinion of her liberal colleagues at the council and local labor leaders who obviously think the lesser evil was her opponent, and that's why they endorsed him.
Do you think they were ALL bought off by Amazon?

[Antonio the Sixth]

So, to restate. I don't know Sawant personally and it's perfectly possible that she has an abrasive personality and isn't very good at policy making. That being said, having someone with such traits in office is still the lesser evil, compared to having someone whose campaign was bankrolled by a megacorporation. You might disagree with this argument (because your politics are so vapid and shallow that they no attention to the material reality of corporate interests and their influence on politics), but it shouldn't be that f**king hard to understand.

What matters isn't my opinion. It's the opinion of her liberal colleagues at the council and local labor leaders who obviously think the lesser evil was her opponent, and that's why they endorsed him.
Do you think they were ALL bought off by Amazon?

I don't know them and I don't care. What I do know is that Amazon clearly thought that getting Orion elected would help their bottom line. Again, you don't invest so much if you're not expecting a return.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking at all.
Staten Island voters voted for Mike Grimm.
Almost half of Alabama voters voted for a pedophile.
Depending on the constituency, being an extremist asshole can be your ticket to electoral success more often than not. 

Furthering the Bezos zaibatsu's influence over the American economy in general and Seattle's local economy in particular is an extreme-right political project; this just isn't immediately obvious because it's not presented with the political tone or style that we normally associate with the extreme right. Thus, both candidates in this particular race were extremist assholes.

If you don't want to vote for an extremist, you can't vote for Democrats since they are supported by the CPUSA.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

Local people, whose lives are are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, chose to reelect her. But clearly some blowhard from Greece must know better than them, because having Pragmatic Centrist politics automatically makes him smarter than everyone else.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

Local people, whose lives are are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, chose to reelect her. But clearly some blowhard from Greece must know better than them, because having Pragmatic Centrist politics automatically makes him smarter than everyone else.

So what you say is that you only care for local people which agree with you. The rest of them can go to hell.
Got it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, I'm done with you.

[free my dawg]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

Coming from someone who has the same priority as the Trumpists, I'll take that as a compliment.

[Gracile]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

And what about the "local people" who actually voted to reelect Sawant? Are their voices completely irrelevant just because they reject corporate interests, especially the abhorrent practices that Amazon used in this campaign? I know it may be hard for you to believe, but not every constituency views capitalism in a positive light.

And it's pretty disgusting that you're creating an equivalence between leftists and the alt-right. Most leftists/socialists believe in racial justice instead of defending white supremacists.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

And what about the "local people" who actually voted to reelect Sawant? Are their voices completely irrelevant just because they reject corporate interests, especially the abhorrent practices that Amazon used in this campaign? I know it may be hard for you to believe, but not every constituency views capitalism in a positive light.

And it's pretty disgusting that you're creating an equivalence between leftists and the alt-right. Most leftists/socialists believe in racial justice instead of defending white supremacists.

I know it's hard to comprehend for those who live in a black and white world but there are many people who agree with Sawant on Amazon but still voted against her. And they did so not because they are corrupt or stupid but because her character and inability to work even with people who were supposedly her allies made her ineffective.
Just like Obama said a few days ago, not every progressive is an angel and not every conservative is evil (and vice-versa).

Again, I posted an article from a local leftie paper where they explain why Sawant was the only Amazon-targeted councilor who came close to defeat. Perhaps you all should take 5 minutes and read it (which is painfully obvious you didn't) before coming here and throw a hissy fit just because some people don't think that she is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Xing]

I'd say that there are far more people who dislike Sawant but voted for her as essentially a vote against Amazon's attempt to buy the city council.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1194077945524097026

[Antonio the Sixth]

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1194077945524097026

you don't mess with Cocaine Mitch

[Landslide Lyndon]

I'd say that there are far more people who dislike Sawant but voted for her as essentially a vote against Amazon's attempt to buy the city council.

I don't doubt it. Which is why I said than any semi-competent politician sitting in an ultra-progressive district like hers would have exploited the Amazon situation and cruise to reelection.
But she is so inept and toxic that barely won instead.