KY, MS etc. Results Thread

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know what they are smoking in RNC but I definitely want some of that sh**t.

https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1191940191092654081

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1192172785180774400?s=20

Reminding you of someone?

[Landslide Lyndon]

If the margin were 50 votes esther than 5,000, maybe a recanvass would change things, but a margin like this isn't going to change.

From what I’ve been reading, he’s trying to prove that there were irregularities so that the Kentucky Legislature has a reason to intervene and declare Bevin the winner, like what would have happened in North Carolina in 2016 if Cooper had won by less than 10,000 votes.

Why would Republicans in legislature do that when they hate Bevin almost as much as Democrats?
And it's not like Beshear will have any power to stymie their agenda, so even less reason to stick their necks out for a guy they constantly feuded with for the last four years.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sawant has taken the lead in her race over Egan Orion (Amazon-Seattle). About 2k votes remain and she's leading by about 1.5k.

And the good people of Seattle defend their city from the corporate looters.

Whoever campaigned for Jill Stein in Pennsylvania deserves to lose and retire in shame for the rest of their lives.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Can't say I'm surprised that in px's mind holding years-old grudges against a kooky 3rd party candidate who won less than 1% is more important than standing up to a dystopian megacorporation that has the means and will to try to buy seats for its favored candidates. Clearly he's got his priorities straight.

Yeah, in 2016 my priority as an elected official would have been to keep a racist sociopath away from the White House instead of showing off how ideologically pure I am.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Can't say I'm surprised that in px's mind holding years-old grudges against a kooky 3rd party candidate who won less than 1% is more important than standing up to a dystopian megacorporation that has the means and will to try to buy seats for its favored candidates. Clearly he's got his priorities straight.

Yeah, in 2016 my priority as an elected official would have been to keep a racist sociopath away from the White House instead of showing off how ideologically pure I am.

Glad to know you would sell this country out to oligarchy if it means owning the left.

From what I've read her opponent is as left-wing as she, so no need to overdramatize her possible loss.

[Landslide Lyndon]

He's a Chamber of Commerce stooge

Not according to this.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/11/07/41927073/maybe-amazon-bought-the-election-or-maybe-voters-were-sick-of-sawant

[Landslide Lyndon]

He's a Chamber of Commerce stooge

Not according to this.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/11/07/41927073/maybe-amazon-bought-the-election-or-maybe-voters-were-sick-of-sawant

He's literally the former Director of the Capitol Hill Chamber of Commerce and spent the campaign waffling (re: changing his position in a calculated manner depending on whether he was talking to journalists for mainstream left-wing outlets or, more importantly, to CASE, the Amazon-funded Super PAC) on the issue of having an income tax for high earners. But sure, keep telling yourself that Orion is an ideological clone of Sawant who was only running against her because he was upset about her Jill Stein support or something.

I think the article makes it clear that he run because she has managed to alienate even her own ideological allies. I know it might sound sacrilegious to the members of the purity brigade but checking all the right ideological boxes doesn't change the fact the she is a sh**tty individual.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sawant being a prickly individual is not why Amazon spent millions to defeat her, nor is it the reason that Orion (who was never an "ideological ally" of Sawant, within the context of Seattle politics, Jesus Christ man!), an ex-Chamber of Commerce chief, ran against her. It's not a question of "ideological purity", they represent completely different and diametrically opposed factions of Seattle politics.

Where did I say that the guy was her ideological ally? What I wrote is that her abrasive character left her friendless and thus gave an opening for someone to challenge her.
And the article also correctly mentions that Amazon supporting her opponent should have been a boon for her.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are y'all seriously gonna argue that Amazon was dumping truck loads of cash into Orion's campaign out of principled commitments to good government or something?

Easy with the strawmanning.

What I personally say is that from all the Amazon targeted councilors only Sawant came close to losing. And that's because she is a jerk and a purity troll.

And voters decided that they'd rather have a jerk and a purity troll than someone who's bought by a dystopian megacorporation. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking at all.
Staten Island voters voted for Mike Grimm.
Almost half of Alabama voters voted for a pedophile.
Depending on the constituency, being an extremist asshole can be your ticket to electoral success more often than not. 

[Landslide Lyndon]

yes, those are totally comparable instances

Oh, f**k off. I'm done with you. You're obviously not trying to make a good faith argument.

But what exactly is YOUR argument? That Sawant is a nice person who almost lost because she was unfairly targeted and maligned by Amazon?
Even the paper that endorsed her explicitly says that she has nobody to blame but herself for her close call. But the Atlas maroon avatars just can't accept the fact that even socialists can be horrible persons.

BTW, the article I posted (and which obviously nobody bothered to read) also mentions that her two closest progressive allies in the council endorsed her opponent. Apparently they are Amazon stooges now too.

[Landslide Lyndon]

So, to restate. I don't know Sawant personally and it's perfectly possible that she has an abrasive personality and isn't very good at policy making. That being said, having someone with such traits in office is still the lesser evil, compared to having someone whose campaign was bankrolled by a megacorporation. You might disagree with this argument (because your politics are so vapid and shallow that they no attention to the material reality of corporate interests and their influence on politics), but it shouldn't be that f**king hard to understand.

What matters isn't my opinion. It's the opinion of her liberal colleagues at the council and local labor leaders who obviously think the lesser evil was her opponent, and that's why they endorsed him.
Do you think they were ALL bought off by Amazon?

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

Local people, whose lives are are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, chose to reelect her. But clearly some blowhard from Greece must know better than them, because having Pragmatic Centrist politics automatically makes him smarter than everyone else.

So what you say is that you only care for local people which agree with you. The rest of them can go to hell.
Got it.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't know them and I don't care.

And here is why it's so hard to sympathize with the alt-left. They don't care what local people, whose lives are affected by Sawant's election and subsequent votes, think. They only care about vicariously making a statement against "evil capitalism", "the establishment", etc..
Just like the Trumpists don't care if the US goes to hell, as long their dear leader triggers the libs.

And what about the "local people" who actually voted to reelect Sawant? Are their voices completely irrelevant just because they reject corporate interests, especially the abhorrent practices that Amazon used in this campaign? I know it may be hard for you to believe, but not every constituency views capitalism in a positive light.

And it's pretty disgusting that you're creating an equivalence between leftists and the alt-right. Most leftists/socialists believe in racial justice instead of defending white supremacists.

I know it's hard to comprehend for those who live in a black and white world but there are many people who agree with Sawant on Amazon but still voted against her. And they did so not because they are corrupt or stupid but because her character and inability to work even with people who were supposedly her allies made her ineffective.
Just like Obama said a few days ago, not every progressive is an angel and not every conservative is evil (and vice-versa).

Again, I posted an article from a local leftie paper where they explain why Sawant was the only Amazon-targeted councilor who came close to defeat. Perhaps you all should take 5 minutes and read it (which is painfully obvious you didn't) before coming here and throw a hissy fit just because some people don't think that she is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I'd say that there are far more people who dislike Sawant but voted for her as essentially a vote against Amazon's attempt to buy the city council.

I don't doubt it. Which is why I said than any semi-competent politician sitting in an ultra-progressive district like hers would have exploited the Amazon situation and cruise to reelection.
But she is so inept and toxic that barely won instead.