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« on: November 05, 2019, 02:16:47 AM »
« edited: December 01, 2019, 12:02:38 AM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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AN ACT
to unite the states of Atlas and Canada

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives, in Congress assembled:
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Section 1 (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the North American Federal Transition Act. It may be cited as “NAFTA.”

Section 2 (Federal North America)
i. The Republic of Atlasia will absorb the provinces and territories now confederated as “Canada” as coequal states of the Republic.
ii. The provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan, and the territories of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and Yukon, shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the Commonwealth of Frémont.
iii. The provinces New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Quebec shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the region of Lincoln.

Section 3 (Enactment)
i. This Act shall take effect upon its ratification by the Parliament of Canada.

Sponsor: MB
Senate Designation: SB21:05
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2019, 02:17:02 AM »

The sponsor has 24 hours to commence an advocacy for this Resolution and the other members have 48 hours to commence a response.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2019, 02:46:23 AM »

Atlasia and Canada have had a long history together. Pre-reset we had a common market agreement, which has since gone away, and it’s time we bring our bond even closer together. Atlasia has lots of real life Canadians who have been heavily involved, and so long as the government of Canada consents I look forward to this new chapter in history.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2019, 02:49:45 AM »

This establishes a vast increase in land for the Fremont and Lincoln regions.

The South is being left out here and thus I couldn't condone supporting this unless provisions were made to equalize the land allotted.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2019, 07:16:16 AM »

What was the wording for the UK Common Market agreement? It's always good to have more states to have nice maps in, but I'm a bit concerned about the wording.

And of course, the more states for Lincoln the better!
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2019, 07:11:40 PM »

This establishes a vast increase in land for the Fremont and Lincoln regions.

The South is being left out here and thus I couldn't condone supporting this unless provisions were made to equalize the land allotted.
What would you propose?
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2019, 07:27:32 PM »

This establishes a vast increase in land for the Fremont and Lincoln regions.

The South is being left out here and thus I couldn't condone supporting this unless provisions were made to equalize the land allotted.
The problem, of course, is that the South doesn't actually border Canada. From a gameplay perspective, I don't see how this bill effects the balance of power between the existing regions in a meaningful way.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2019, 07:28:30 PM »

If the South thinks it's unfair then you could just balance it by including Mexico too and splitting it geographically between the South and Fremont.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2019, 07:36:19 PM »

If the South thinks it's unfair then you could just balance it by including Mexico too and splitting it geographically between the South and Fremont.
I would support this! Adam proposed something similar at the ConCon, I believe.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2019, 11:20:21 AM »

Yes, invite Mexico to the Union. Viva Atlasia!
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2019, 04:11:25 PM »

If Mexico doesn't happen then...the South does have Louisiana, might as well give them Quebec too.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2019, 04:27:29 PM »

Pensándolo bien, estoy totalmente a favor de incluir a México.

If Mexico doesn't happen then...the South does have Louisiana, might as well give them Quebec too.

What region was Quebec in pre-reset? Prima facie I think it should be Lincoln's.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2019, 06:11:38 PM »

I'd like to have Poirot's opinion on Quebec's placement.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2019, 08:26:03 PM »

Quebec as part of the South makes no sense at all. Given they're the most populous region currently (and twice the size of Frémont), concerns they might be "overpowered" seem a little misplaced.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2019, 08:36:33 PM »

Here's Griffin's original proposal from 2015:



I'd suggest we add Greenland, too (to Lincoln) if we want to go for the whole continent, but posting this mainly for the Mexican partition. Of course, Ontario goes to Lincoln in the current version of this bill.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2019, 08:40:01 PM »

If we're doing Mexico - since there aren't a ton of Mexicans on Atlas - wouldn't it make more sense to divide it into maybe 5 states? Or just 1?
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2019, 08:45:42 PM »



on second thought here's my proposal

Baja California (maybe some of the other desert states too) go to Fremont as 1 state.

Mexico City goes to South.

Rest of Mexico goes to South as 1 state.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2019, 08:57:06 PM »

So long as we're posting maps, I have one:



Though we should probably not stray too far from the topic at hand. Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2019, 09:02:03 PM »

I'm in favor of this proposal.
We should certainly include all of North America into Atlasia if possible.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2019, 04:40:17 AM »

I mean if you are going to call it NAFTA you might as well include Mexico as well. Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2019, 03:15:36 PM »

What happened to the map discussion?
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2019, 07:46:51 PM »

I guess the important question is whether we want to incorporate just Canada, just Canada and Mexico, or all of North America. I count four votes (five? not sure where you stand, Yankee) for including Mexico at least. Then there's the matter of how to divide up Mexico between Frémont and the South and whether to consolidate the Mexican states: I stand by my own proposal for the former, though I'm willing to compromise on the exact division.
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2019, 07:55:40 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2019, 08:00:30 PM by Unconditional Surrender Truman »

For reference, here's a map of Mexico's real-life electoral regions:



If we decide to unite all of North America, I would urge giving Oaxaca and Chiapas to FT in order to facilitate integration of Central America (assuming the South will get the Caribbean), but otherwise giving FT 1, 4, and 5 and the South 2 and 3 seems logical?

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2019, 01:34:34 AM »

Surly the Federal government should be working on looking after its own citizens rather than imperialistic expansion via trade deals.

Doesn't surprise me to see that Harry "I want Kansas" Truman, wants half of Canada and half of Mexico.

If anything I reckon MB's Plan is probably the most logical if the Federal government is planning on imperialistic expansion via trade deals.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2019, 02:03:05 AM »

Surly the Federal government should be working on looking after its own citizens rather than imperialistic expansion via trade deals.

Doesn't surprise me to see that Harry "I want Kansas" Truman, wants half of Canada and half of Mexico.

If anything I reckon MB's Plan is probably the most logical if the Federal government is planning on imperialistic expansion via trade deals.

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.
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