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Kingpoleon
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« on: December 02, 2019, 10:56:50 PM »

Evolution and Intelligent Design are not mutually exclusive. In fact the latter pretty much presupposes the former.
To some extent, a so called uncaused cause is necessary for the very beginning of the universe; the Christian/Abrahamic view of a God outside of space and time, not subject to the rules of the universe, therefore beginning the universe, fits very nicely within the science of the beginning of space-time.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 11:54:59 PM »

There’s not enough time in 6,000 years for all the meteorological, geological, and biological events that we know happened. That’s just an empirical fact - unless you have some massive Grand Conspiracy Theory to explain why the extinction rate alone is so high, ignoring even, say, the evidence for tectonic shift or past volcanic activity which contradict it even further - your argument’s premise just makes zero sense.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 03:18:02 PM »

The geology is all explained by the global flood; even the fossil record shows how the organisms from the lowest elevation of habitats are buried at the bottom and the higher elevation animals buried at the top. Sediment layers and geological features form very quickly in catasrophes, such as the eruption of Mt. St. Helens, which made many layers of sediment, and caused a flood that carved out a canyon in 9 hours. The faultlines are all connected, and it starts at an important biblical location: Caesarea Philippi.

The evolutionists' explanation of geology has serious contradictions, including the presence of Carbon-14 in coal and diamonds. The coelacanth is the "index fossil" supposedly representing a layer that is ~400 million years old, but they are still alive in the Indian Ocean today. Radiometric dating has serious flaws due to false assumptions. Radiometric dating has had many contradictions and drastic inaccuracy.
Uh, no - the Bible spells out how Noah prevents a mass extinction event. It doesn’t make sense to claim that the Flood wiped out certain species and not others - for no apparent reason - when the Bible does not mention any such detail.

The coelacanth’s hard shell, like the horse shoe crab, makes it an unsurprising candidate for longest lasting species - and its interior primitive organs/body structure kind of contradict your point.

As for the extinction rate? And tectonic plates? It’s broadly undisputed that the world used to be one supercontinent, and Africa and South America used to touch. No broad geological event like the “Rising of the Waters” would explain the seemingly sudden split between the two continents, or why literally no species are in common between the two given only 6,000 years of history. Surely an elephant, a rhino, a lion, or a cheetah would do pretty well in South America - we know hippos would dominate. Why do none exist, then?
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2019, 11:52:50 AM »

Your post is one of the most dishonest misrepresentations of the Bible I have ever seen. Any mention of species is a total misrepresentation. Noah brought at least one pair of every FAMILY of land animal and bird. The word "kind" in the Bible is defined the same way as a family, not a species. Certain different populations from the same family/kind may have gone extinct, but not the family/kind as a whole. The reason different animals are in different places is because they migrated differently after they left the ark, it's so obvious. Why do you think the distant and relatively isolated Australia has some of the more passive and unique animals?
Migrated differently? Sure, I guess. But if South America and Africa were connected - which nobody has ever denied - why do they share 0.0% of species in common? Every other continents that touch share many species in common; Siberia/Alaska have plenty of people and animals in common. Elephants, rhinos, hippos, gorillas, lions, cheetahs, gazelle. Not a one of them naturally live in South America. Jaguars, anacondas, toucans, piranhas. None live in Africa. How do you explain this and the thousands of other examples?

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You also claimed that the flood is described as a simple "rising of the waters." This is not true at all and shows that you obviously haven't read the Bible or at least didn't pay attention to what it said. Genesis 7:11 very clearly describes seismic activity. As I mentioned, the faultlines all connect and it starts at Caesarea Philippi, which is an important location in the Bible.
Nope. A flood is literally when water falls from the sky and the current waters RISE. Do you not know what a flood is?


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The coelacanth don't show up in every layer; there are many layers above where thay are found that don't have them, but they are alive today; your reasoning on that is incoherent. The coelacanth are better described as having some members being buried at the beginning of the flood, thus being buried at the bottom like how their habitat was at the bottom, with some members surviving and reproducing still today.

You also completely ignored my other points. Think about it. Be open-minded. Have a good night.
Then why aren’t all water dwelling species found at low levels? Aquatic animals have been found in the Rocky Mountains, which are pretty high elevation in my opinion.
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