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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2019, 03:17:02 PM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.

There's no evidence that Trump has committed a misdemeanor? Seriously?

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Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding why this is being done. Democratic voters are actually quite happy with the current field and Trump isn't breaking out of the low 40s in polling against any of them; it's donors and Beltway power brokers who are getting jitters about a field that (save for a visibly senile ur-insider and an Eddie Munsteresque small-city mayor) is dominated by #populist Purple heart M4A proponents and who are trying to make Bloomberg and Patrick happen.

Say what you will, but it’s pretty clear the party establishment wants nothing to do with Buttigieg, inconvenient as that fact may be for some Warren and Sanders supporters’ revisionist attempts to depict Mayor Pete as some sort of tone-deaf, corporatist empty suit Moderate Hero (granted, Warren definitely scares the elites the most, it’s like they start foaming at the mouth the second they hear her name).  

The Democratic establishment and the Corporate billionaire class was originally Biden or Bust, but Biden’s campaign has (thankfully) been such a sh!tshow that they’ve realized he won’t be the nominee.  In their desperation, these folks have started trying to do what they normally do in situations like this: dangle a shiny object in front of voters and throw money at the problem until it goes away.  Luckily, it’s too late in the game for that nonsense.  The only dog they’ve got this cycle is Biden and it’s looking more and more like he’s too old to hunt.
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2019, 03:23:27 PM »

Obviously. It's hard to take establishment Democrats seriously.

Lamo, you know that Saint Bernard supported the Russia investigation and would have impeached Trump over it if he could? And you also know that AOC and likes wanted to impeach immediately?
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2019, 04:08:15 PM »

Let me help you with that- No.
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2019, 05:01:18 PM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.

There's no evidence that Trump has committed a misdemeanor? Seriously?

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Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding why this is being done. Democratic voters are actually quite happy with the current field and Trump isn't breaking out of the low 40s in polling against any of them; it's donors and Beltway power brokers who are getting jitters about a field that (save for a visibly senile ur-insider and an Eddie Munsteresque small-city mayor) is dominated by #populist Purple heart M4A proponents and who are trying to make Bloomberg and Patrick happen.

Say what you will, but it’s pretty clear the party establishment wants nothing to do with Buttigieg, inconvenient as that fact may be for some Warren and Sanders supporters’ revisionist attempts to depict Mayor Pete as some sort of tone-deaf, corporatist empty suit Moderate Hero (granted, Warren definitely scares the elites the most, it’s like they start foaming at the mouth the second they hear her name).  

The Democratic establishment and the Corporate billionaire class was originally Biden or Bust, but Biden’s campaign has (thankfully) been such a sh!tshow that they’ve realized he won’t be the nominee.  In their desperation, these folks have started trying to do what they normally do in situations like this: dangle a shiny object in front of voters and throw money at the problem until it goes away.  Luckily, it’s too late in the game for that nonsense.  The only dog they’ve got this cycle is Biden and it’s looking more and more like he’s too old to hunt.
I'm pretty sure they have Harris in their pocket as well, but she's not doing great.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2019, 06:35:30 PM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.

There's no evidence that Trump has committed a misdemeanor? Seriously?

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Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding why this is being done. Democratic voters are actually quite happy with the current field and Trump isn't breaking out of the low 40s in polling against any of them; it's donors and Beltway power brokers who are getting jitters about a field that (save for a visibly senile ur-insider and an Eddie Munsteresque small-city mayor) is dominated by #populist Purple heart M4A proponents and who are trying to make Bloomberg and Patrick happen.

Say what you will, but it’s pretty clear the party establishment wants nothing to do with Buttigieg, inconvenient as that fact may be for some Warren and Sanders supporters’ revisionist attempts to depict Mayor Pete as some sort of tone-deaf, corporatist empty suit Moderate Hero (granted, Warren definitely scares the elites the most, it’s like they start foaming at the mouth the second they hear her name).  

The Democratic establishment and the Corporate billionaire class was originally Biden or Bust, but Biden’s campaign has (thankfully) been such a sh!tshow that they’ve realized he won’t be the nominee.  In their desperation, these folks have started trying to do what they normally do in situations like this: dangle a shiny object in front of voters and throw money at the problem until it goes away.  Luckily, it’s too late in the game for that nonsense.  The only dog they’ve got this cycle is Biden and it’s looking more and more like he’s too old to hunt.
I'm pretty sure they have Harris in their pocket as well, but she's not doing great.

Oh they totally do, along with Delaney, Booker, Klobuchar, and arguably Steyer (although it's hard to tell since he sometimes seems to be off in his own world), but I was only thinking about serious candidates.  Harris has become a Beto-tier joke candidate imo.
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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2019, 07:23:22 PM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.  Perhaps something may arise, but there is nothing to date, and all of the sound and fury doesn't change it.  If there were such a thing, we'd have firsthand information, and we wouldn't be asking an Ambassador, under oath, about her "feelings" about a phone call, the transcript of with has been available for some time now.

The Mueller Report gives some people reason to vote against Trump.  The present proceedings give some people reason to vote against Trump.  (I'm not a big fan of Rudy Giuliani involving himself in foreign policy, although such a thing is not unprecedented.)  But the Democrats have blown their credibility with enough people in America to re-elect Trump. Had they not done all of this, they'd be leading in the 2020 polls.  Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

Amidst all of the pro-Trump propaganda above is this particular nugget of nonsense in bold.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2019, 11:31:52 PM »
« Edited: November 16, 2019, 11:35:05 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.  Perhaps something may arise, but there is nothing to date, and all of the sound and fury doesn't change it.  If there were such a thing, we'd have firsthand information, and we wouldn't be asking an Ambassador, under oath, about her "feelings" about a phone call, the transcript of with has been available for some time now.

The Mueller Report gives some people reason to vote against Trump.  The present proceedings give some people reason to vote against Trump.  (I'm not a big fan of Rudy Giuliani involving himself in foreign policy, although such a thing is not unprecedented.)  But the Democrats have blown their credibility with enough people in America to re-elect Trump. Had they not done all of this, they'd be leading in the 2020 polls.  Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

Amidst all of the pro-Trump propaganda above is this particular nugget of nonsense in bold.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/

I guarantee you that the Democrats are crapping in their pants.  If they were that sure of those numbers, they wouldn't be looking for additions to the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hvbEJkXyg

These numbers don't show Trump as a hopeless loser.  They show the potential for Democrats to, once again, blow it.
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2019, 12:33:15 AM »

if so, this whole Ukraine thing would seem more believable and we might be able to sink Trump and force him to resign. Now you have blowhards like Hannity saying how this is "Russia 2.0" and what not.

What!
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2019, 01:37:05 AM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.  Perhaps something may arise, but there is nothing to date, and all of the sound and fury doesn't change it.  If there were such a thing, we'd have firsthand information, and we wouldn't be asking an Ambassador, under oath, about her "feelings" about a phone call, the transcript of with has been available for some time now.

The Mueller Report gives some people reason to vote against Trump.  The present proceedings give some people reason to vote against Trump.  (I'm not a big fan of Rudy Giuliani involving himself in foreign policy, although such a thing is not unprecedented.)  But the Democrats have blown their credibility with enough people in America to re-elect Trump. Had they not done all of this, they'd be leading in the 2020 polls.  Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

Amidst all of the pro-Trump propaganda above is this particular nugget of nonsense in bold.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/

I guarantee you that the Democrats are crapping in their pants.  If they were that sure of those numbers, they wouldn't be looking for additions to the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hvbEJkXyg

These numbers don't show Trump as a hopeless loser.  They show the potential for Democrats to, once again, blow it.
What does an Alan Grayson ad from 2009 have to do with 2020?
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2019, 02:55:42 AM »

There is no evidence that Trump has committed an honest-to-goodness impeachable offense.  Perhaps something may arise, but there is nothing to date, and all of the sound and fury doesn't change it.  If there were such a thing, we'd have firsthand information, and we wouldn't be asking an Ambassador, under oath, about her "feelings" about a phone call, the transcript of with has been available for some time now.

The Mueller Report gives some people reason to vote against Trump.  The present proceedings give some people reason to vote against Trump.  (I'm not a big fan of Rudy Giuliani involving himself in foreign policy, although such a thing is not unprecedented.)  But the Democrats have blown their credibility with enough people in America to re-elect Trump. Had they not done all of this, they'd be leading in the 2020 polls.  Instead, they're beginning to airlift candidates into the race.

Amidst all of the pro-Trump propaganda above is this particular nugget of nonsense in bold.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/

I guarantee you that the Democrats are crapping in their pants.  If they were that sure of those numbers, they wouldn't be looking for additions to the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hvbEJkXyg

These numbers don't show Trump as a hopeless loser.  They show the potential for Democrats to, once again, blow it.

Who is looking for additions to the field, exactly?  I can assure you nobody is excited for Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick entering the race.

Only you could claim that the Dems aren’t leading in the polls right now, then when presented with the facts clearly showing otherwise, you double down by stating your feelings that they probably aren’t accurate because of a ten year-old YouTube video featuring... Alan Grayson?

Advanced boomer senility is a helluva drug.
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