Why the Hawley hype?

[TheFonz]

He's one of the most loathsome Republicans in the Senate. He clearly wants to make waves, but why does Atlas seem so convinced he's running in 2024? He'll be finishing his first term, up for reelection, and just in his mid 40s. Isn't he more likely to put it off one or two more cycles, when the sentiment idea likely to be more favorable to the GOP, and he wouldn't be running against 2 juggernauts (DeSantis and Haley), possibly an incumbent VP, and at least 10-12 other sitting senators?

[OSR stands with Israel]

DeSantis clearly will be the candidate on the populist wing so I see no reason why Hawley would be the contender.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Deplorable Horrible Hawley brings nothing to the Senate other than sex appeal. An empty suit who's overrated big league on this forum and politics in general.

[Tekken_Guy]

I think the GOP is liking their “young white men” like Hawley, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. I could see him choose to wait until 2028 because he may not want to give up his senate seat. I think he’d also be a likely future AG for a Republican administration.

[Kingpoleon]

I don’t know. He is just a dime store version of Tom Cotton’s neoconservatism.

[Grassroots]

The republican party is swinging heavily towards economic populism and Hawley is probably the best example of this in action. I think he will run in 2024 but I doubt he will win the primary.

[RINO Tom]

The republican party is swinging heavily towards economic populism and Hawley is probably the best example of this in action. I think he will run in 2024 but I doubt he will win the primary.

Citation needed, as usual.

[libertpaulian]

Deplorable Horrible Hawley brings nothing to the Senate other than sex appeal. An empty suit who's overrated big league on this forum and politics in general.

DeSantis beats Hawley in the sex appeal department.

[Flyersfan232]

He's one of the most loathsome Republicans in the Senate. He clearly wants to make waves, but why does Atlas seem so convinced he's running in 2024? He'll be finishing his first term, up for reelection, and just in his mid 40s. Isn't he more likely to put it off one or two more cycles, when the sentiment idea likely to be more favorable to the GOP, and he wouldn't be running against 2 juggernauts (DeSantis and Haley), possibly an incumbent VP, and at least 10-12 other sitting senators?

Someone made Peterson lost?

[terp40hitch]

Yeah, he literally sucks

Also, if he runs then he will easily lose. Probably be like Harris and have big hype early and then drop out early after not being able to compete with front runners fundraising

[VPH]

I don't think he will win in 2024, but Hawley helps build an economic populism that can reach across traditional political divides. Don't underestimate him.

The GOP can't hold its growing working-class support forever without giving up some of its economic libertarianism. Hawley-style populism, if combined with a more Rubio-like approach on immigration, could make headway with the multiracial working class. Especially as Democrats make more concessions to White PMC liberals, they threaten to alienate more culturally traditional groups.

[Saint Milei]

He's an economic populist that targets poor whites. That's a dangerous foe

I don't think he will win in 2024, but Hawley helps build an economic populism that can reach across traditional political divides. Don't underestimate him.

The GOP can't hold its growing working-class support forever without giving up some of its economic libertarianism. Hawley-style populism, if combined with a more Rubio-like approach on immigration, could make headway with the multiracial working class. Especially as Democrats make more concessions to White PMC liberals, they threaten to alienate more culturally traditional groups.

Hawley would be like pete butigieg to blacks

[Hope For A New Era]

I don't understand the hype either. People go on and on about his economic populism, but I don't think it's landing the way people seem to think. Despite McCaskill being one of the most unpopular Senators in the country in 2018, Hawley only beat her by 6 points, even in uber-populist, Trump+19 Missouri.

I doubt he has ambitions beyond the Senate anytime soon. If he does ever run, he probably won't get far. Most likely he will be another Harris.

[Flyersfan232]

I don't understand the hype either. People go on and on about his economic populism, but I don't think it's landing the way people seem to think. Despite McCaskill being one of the most unpopular Senators in the country in 2018, Hawley only beat her by 6 points, even in uber-populist, Trump+19 Missouri.

I doubt he has ambitions beyond the Senate anytime soon. If he does ever run, he probably won't get far. Most likely he will be another Harris.

Mccaskill was a incumbent with money though.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

DeSantis clearly will be the candidate on the populist wing so I see no reason why Hawley would be the contender.

What is the “Populist wing” and how does DeSantis fit in such a category?

[Person Man]

Best case, he's Cruz 2.0. Or post realignment Republican Gary Hart. We already know he has some corruption issues. They just might not be the same.

[Person Man]

DeSantis clearly will be the candidate on the populist wing so I see no reason why Hawley would be the contender.

What is the “Populist wing” and how does DeSantis fit in such a category?

People who really care about banning immigration, breaking treaties, and criminalzing abortion  and pretend to care less about their donors than the average Republican.

[Beet]

How is Haley a juggernaut? Unlike Hawley, DeSantis and Crenshaw she was already in elected office in 2015, and in an important primary state, no less. If she's so great, why didn't she run for president then? By 2024 she will have been out of elected office for nearly a decade. The only thing that's changed in her favor is being appointed UN Ambassador, but if that makes you a juggernaut someone should speak to juggernaut Samantha Power.

[Non Swing Voter]

Deplorable Horrible Hawley brings nothing to the Senate other than sex appeal. An empty suit who's overrated big league on this forum and politics in general.

DeSantis beats Hawley in the sex appeal department.

Wow the bar is really low for politicians nowadays.  One looks like he barely hit puberty and the other is fat.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Hawley is a neo-communist who favors big government regulation and intolerable left wing radicalism. I would vote for Donald Trump JR over him.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Anyway, people are underestimating Cruz. There's a reason his podcast was so very successful, he has kept his conservative Tea Party 2016 base, and he has grown it now to include more Trump 2016 supporters with his support for the President.

[Non Swing Voter]

Anyway, people are underestimating Cruz. There's a reason his podcast was so very successful, he has kept his conservative Tea Party 2016 base, and he has grown it now to include more Trump 2016 supporters with his support for the President.

Cruz wouldn't even win Texas in a general election.

[terp40hitch]

How is Haley a juggernaut? Unlike Hawley, DeSantis and Crenshaw she was already in elected office in 2015, and in an important primary state, no less. If she's so great, why didn't she run for president then? By 2024 she will have been out of elected office for nearly a decade. The only thing that's changed in her favor is being appointed UN Ambassador, but if that makes you a juggernaut someone should speak to juggernaut Samantha Power.

She didn’t run because in 2012, she would’ve been a one term Governor who wasn’t well known. In 2016, she continued to not be a big name and she would’ve run against a Senator from her home state and 15 other candidates including fundraising powerhouse JEB Bush, establishment favorite Marco Rubio, Evangelical favorite Ted Cruz, and multiple tell it like it is candidates

In 2024, she has a national brand and many big names including Nick Ayers wants to work for her. Also, is well liked by the establishment and not hated by the grassroots

[Beet]

How is Haley a juggernaut? Unlike Hawley, DeSantis and Crenshaw she was already in elected office in 2015, and in an important primary state, no less. If she's so great, why didn't she run for president then? By 2024 she will have been out of elected office for nearly a decade. The only thing that's changed in her favor is being appointed UN Ambassador, but if that makes you a juggernaut someone should speak to juggernaut Samantha Power.

She didn’t run because in 2012, she would’ve been a one term Governor who wasn’t well known. In 2016, she continued to not be a big name and she would’ve run against a Senator from her home state and 15 other candidates including fundraising powerhouse JEB Bush, establishment favorite Marco Rubio, Evangelical favorite Ted Cruz, and multiple tell it like it is candidates

In 2024, she has a national brand and many big names including Nick Ayers wants to work for her. Also, is well liked by the establishment and not hated by the grassroots

But why was she not a big name in 2016 but suddenly is in 2024? What has she done in the interim that is so remarkable? And how do we know the field won't be equally crowded in 2024?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hawley is a neo-communist who favors big government regulation and intolerable left wing radicalism. I would vote for Donald Trump JR over him.

Hawley is the exact opposite of a communist or a radical.

In fact Hawley is operating as a Traditionalist Conservative, which is why he favors government action on some points. By doing so, he is hoping to release the societal pressure that absent action will just keep building and building until the other side gets to dictate the results on everything. That is how politics works in reality.

Hawley's premise is that you concede and co-opt the left on one or two points to save the rest of the conservative pie from complete annihilation.

What is radical is the radical adherence to economic libertarianism, which will cause an equal and opposite reaction in favor of socialism. It is worth remembering that Capitalism itself is a liberal concept and as such its creative destruction is naturally contrary to the interests of societal stability, family cohesion and religious faith all of which are tropes ingrained in the concept of Traditional Conservatism. Therefore a trad con would want to reign in capitalism and restrain it to serve the interest of preserving those three priorities: Stability, family and faith.

Just because someone isn't your kind of conservatism, doesn't mean they are socialists. There is more to politics than a simple linear spectrum based entirely on one's views of how big government should be.