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[TeePee4Prez]

The DLC is a joke. It has some members that blindly criticize all liberals, and it also has Gavin Newsom as a member.

DLC is too broad based.  It has some economic left-centrists like Allyson Schwartz and Joe Hoeffel who are merely deficit hawks and in favor of welfare/Section 8 reform like myself... go to Evan Bayh....  Joe Lieberman...... now ZELL MILLER!!!!  There needs to me a midway point between the ultra-liberals and the DLC, but hey, that's my opinion.

[Dr. Cynic]

Actually, we should stand as one party united, not a factioned and hapless group of losers. We should present ourselves in a united front, and not bicker endlessly over nitpicky issues and say "Well I'm in the DLC" or "I'm a blue dog".

Each person has thier own beliefs, which is why I believe the party shouldn't factionalize like that... We argue with ourselves as much as with the Republicans.

You might say, they have factions too, and that's true. But, they don't in-fight as much as we do. They always present a united front, and I believe we should do the same.

[TeePee4Prez]

Actually, we should stand as one party united, not a factioned and hapless group of losers. We should present ourselves in a united front, and not bicker endlessly over nitpicky issues and say "Well I'm in the DLC" or "I'm a blue dog".

Each person has thier own beliefs, which is why I believe the party shouldn't factionalize like that... We argue with ourselves as much as with the Republicans.

You might say, they have factions too, and that's true. But, they don't in-fight as much as we do. They always present a united front, and I believe we should do the same.

Well, no two people have the same political views regardless of party.  I can't stand the Cynthia McKinney's and Al Sharpton's of the Dems nor the sellout corporate members of the DLC.  Unfortunately, I think there are times we have to unite with them to have a stronger base.

[jokerman]

It's the current DLC's form of wimpyness on bread-and-butter economic issues and latte-liberal social beliefs that is really killing us among the working class.

[Dr. Cynic]

This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine. But, we have a PRINCIPLE to stand up for the little guy in this party. We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

And if you think the forum us bad, this same thing goes on at the top level.

[TeePee4Prez]

This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine. But, we have a PRINCIPLE to stand up for the little guy in this party. We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

And if you think the forum us bad, this same thing goes on at the top level.

You're right, the latte liberals aren't doing much, but killing us in terms of an "elitist image."  On the other hand, they bankroll our elections and the unions don't do crap anymore. 

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The DLC is a joke. It has some members that blindly criticize all liberals, and it also has Gavin Newsom as a member.

DLC is too broad based.  It has some economic left-centrists like Allyson Schwartz and Joe Hoeffel who are merely deficit hawks and in favor of welfare/Section 8 reform like myself... go to Evan Bayh....  Joe Lieberman...... now ZELL MILLER!!!!  There needs to me a midway point between the ultra-liberals and the DLC, but hey, that's my opinion.

Zell Miller is still considered a Democrat? There's everything you need to know about what's wrong with the Democratic party right there. His 2004 ACU rating was 96, a more extreme score than than crazies like Allen and Frist,.

[Frodo]

This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine.

(...) We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

In a time of war and peril, I place more emphasis on my love and loyalty to my country as an American citizen than to the Democratic Party.  Unlike you liberals, my partisanship stops at the water's edge.  If that means I risk being called a DINO for being insufficiently 'loyal', then so be it. 

And you seem to worry more about the welfare of the Democratic Party than you do about the welfare of your country, especially if we do what you liberals want us to do -pull out of Iraq immediately Saigon-style no matter the consequences, even if it results in Iraq turning into a failed state, and a haven for terrorists, and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda and radical Islam throughout the globe. 

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And I hope you know that that 'little guy' is more likely than not a populist and a patriot -and I doubt he would have anything in common with upper-middle class Latte Liberals telling him that they know better than he where his best interests lie.

Millions of blue-collar Americans who would agree with the Democratic Party economically will never align with those who disparage their faith and values, and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.

From what I have seen both on and off this forum, I can't say I'd blame them. 

[Dr. Cynic]

Allow me to say, I am NOT a "latte Liberal" My dad only makes 11,000 dollars a year... Most of the income in my house comes from my standup work. I am concerned about this country, and I never supported a big pullout as you suggested. What I was saying Frodo was a truly national party, blind to the bickering and in-fighting that is going on. When you say you are a Democrat that should be enough.

I am a budget hawk, I wanted to bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, but just because I didn't want to go to Iraq, that doesn't make me a coward.

Oh, and the little guy is people like my dad, who can't get a better job because of his age and competition. People like my uncle, a Vietnam vet who the government cast aside and forgot about. The little guy is the one I believe the Democratic Party has a sworn duty to protect....

Dump your latte liberal sh**t. It doesn't work on me!

[Ebowed]

Progressives and Blue Dogs.

Same.

[opebo]

I'm a proud Latte Liberal! 

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This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine.

(...) We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

In a time of war and peril, I place more emphasis on my love and loyalty to my country as an American citizen than to the Democratic Party.  Unlike you liberals, my partisanship stops at the water's edge.  If that means I risk being called a DINO for being insufficiently 'loyal', then so be it. 

And you seem to worry more about the welfare of the Democratic Party than you do about the welfare of your country, especially if we do what you liberals want us to do -pull out of Iraq immediately Saigon-style no matter the consequences, even if it results in Iraq turning into a failed state, and a haven for terrorists, and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda and radical Islam throughout the globe. 

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And I hope you know that that 'little guy' is more likely than not a populist and a patriot -and I doubt he would have anything in common with upper-middle class Latte Liberals telling him that they know better than he where his best interests lie.

Millions of blue-collar Americans who would agree with the Democratic Party economically will never align with those who disparage their faith and values, and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.

From what I have seen both on and off this forum, I can't say I'd blame them. 

"Latte liberal" is a pretty stupid term.

[minionofmidas]

This is exactly what I mean... I don't see the Republicans bicker this much... You guys wanna make us look like a bunch of schmucks who can't agree with ourselves, let alone anyone else, then fine.

(...) We don't sound much like it, we sound like a bunch of putzes when we disagree like that.

United we stand, divided we fall. Remember that.

In a time of war and peril, I place more emphasis on my love and loyalty to my country as an American citizen than to the Democratic Party.  Unlike you liberals, my partisanship stops at the water's edge.  If that means I risk being called a DINO for being insufficiently 'loyal', then so be it. 

And you seem to worry more about the welfare of the Democratic Party than you do about the welfare of your country, especially if we do what you liberals want us to do -pull out of Iraq immediately Saigon-style no matter the consequences, even if it results in Iraq turning into a failed state, and a haven for terrorists, and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda and radical Islam throughout the globe. 

To be quite brutal here: It's not as if there was anything Howard Dean could have done to prevent that, once Bush decided that that's what Iraq was going to get. As he clearly did, since noone seriously suggested a different outcome to an invasion.

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Too true.

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There is somebody else who's proven exactly that, and benefitted immensely from it last election.

[Democratic Hawk]

I would probably associate with the Blue Dog Coalition, but would support either Blue Dog or DLC presidential candidates

Dave

[Moooooo]

Probably DLC.

DFA should be on the list.

[Frodo]

Probably DLC.

DFA should be on the list.

I'm surprised -I thought you of all people would most identify as a Blue Dog populist. 

[Frodo]

(...) and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.

There is somebody else who's proven exactly that, and benefitted immensely from it last election.

And who may that be?  If you are talking about Hillary Clinton (who voted for the Iraq War Resolution), and her benefitting from John Kerry's loss in the last presidential election, she will be hard-pressed to hold her own from an anti-war challenger like Russ Feingold, and I do not believe she will benefit all that much from having given both her ostensibly progressive base and sought-after centrists cause to distrust her. 

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Latte liberal.

[TomC]

(...) and have proven that they can never be entrusted with the security of this nation in a time of war, especially when the going gets tough.

There is somebody else who's proven exactly that, and benefitted immensely from it last election.

And who may that be?  If you are talking about Hillary Clinton (who voted for the Iraq War Resolution), and her benefitting from John Kerry's loss in the last presidential election, she will be hard-pressed to hold her own from an anti-war challenger like Russ Feingold, and I do not believe she will benefit all that much from having given both her ostensibly progressive base and sought-after centrists cause to distrust her. 

She's an opportunist. Someone will take her down.

[Speed of Sound]

While Im not a Dem, Im kindof still associated with the party, and I would say option 1.

[True Democrat]

DLC

[Moooooo]

Probably DLC.

DFA should be on the list.

I'm surprised -I thought you of all people would most identify as a Blue Dog populist. 

The Blue Dog's really arent that 'populist' (socially-right, economically-left).   Example:  Majority of them voted for the Bankruptcy Bill of 2005.

Mark Warner is my ideal DLC candidate.  A pragmatic thinker who prefers progress over partisanship.

[opebo]

Mark Warner is my ideal DLC candidate.  A pragmatic thinker who prefers progress over partisanship.

Sounds like a patsy.

[phk]

Blue Dogs are socially conservative and are moderately economically conservative.